Gun Legislation

[Vrede too]

Stacey Wehrman Feeley
June 15 near Traverse City, MI

I took this picture because initially I thought it was funny. I was going to send it to my husband to show what our mischievous little three-year-old was up to. However, The moment she told me what she was doing I broke down. She was practicing for a lockdown drill at her preschool and what you should do if you are stuck in a bathroom. At that moment all innocense of what I thought my three-year-old possessed was gone.

Politicians - take a look. This is your child, your children, your grandchildren, your great grand children and future generations to come. They will live their lives and grow up in this world based on your decisions. They are barely 3 and they will hide in bathroom stalls standing on top of toilet seats. I do not know what will be harder for them? Trying to remain quiet for an extended amount of time or trying to keep their balance without letting a foot slip below the stall door?

No one thinks gun control will be 100% crime control. But maybe, just maybe, it helps 1% or 2% or 50%? Who knows unless we try? Why on earth are there not universal background checks? Where is a universal registration database? Why are high capacity magazines ever permitted to be sold to anyone other than direct to the military? Is that really necessary to protect yourself or hunt for that matter? What about smart guns, where are they? C’mon techies! The 2nd Amendment is a beast to battle and wiping out the right to bear arms is not on the table. Does anyone really think that will be accomplished? Because it won’t. Amended to some extent? Maybe. But how many decades will that take? Where’s the evolution of our so called “living document” for this subject matter? A document that originally allowed slavery and prevented women from voting? NRA, are you even trying? Let’s talk mental health. Where is the $500 million that the Obama administration put into the budget for approval…did it go through? Is it being implemented or just sitting there? Where is the access to care for those struggling with mental illness? Politicians, I ask you...how can I help?

Banning together, signing petitions, rallying to get your voice heard is good, but is it actually doing anything or just making us feel better about the current situation? We need action. I applaud politicians like Senator Chris Murphy but so many of our elected politicians can’t manage to work together (maybe they shouldn’t be paid for a job they can't do…just saying) or since they are in bed with all the wrong people, it is up to us if we want change. I want to know what new smart technology is being built for safer guns, advanced security in public places, databases, traveling care for the mentally ill…anything! Entrepreneurs, innovators, are you there? Can I help? Can I help you make a difference? I want to offer support. I cannot give you techie advice, expertise in healthcare, or financial backing, BUT maybe I can point you in the right direction? Maybe I know someone who knows someone who can help? Incubators, investors…if this issue concerns you, do what you do best and help make change. Can I help? Hold funding competitions, provide think tanks for these very things. Hollywood, the PSA’s are good, but not good enough. Eventually they disappear and are forgotten.

I am not pretending to have all the answers or even a shred of them, but unless you want your children standing on top of a toilet, we need to do something! Please share. #dosomething #prayfororlando #wecandobetter Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America

[Seth Milner]

You're finally showing some real awareness of the world around you.
Fudgesicles, popsicles, snow cones; I've been aware of them for quite some time now. One day, you all will get a real life; providing they don't close down your Walmarts first.

You're beginning to recognize satire for what it is.
Pity you haven't grasped the concept of it yet.

It's like watching a child graduate grade two.
They graduate 'em from the second grade in Canada? That explains a whole lot. I apologize for picking on you; my bad.

Why would I be rankled?
Beats hell out of me; unles it has to do with that second grade education thingy.

Of course you continue to believe that more than one person disagreeing with you is a conspiracy, so you're still on the short bus.
You're speculating again; never cared for buses. Speaking of short buses, disagreeing, and conspiracy , who among us is constantly fixated, spewing, and obsessing over Huckabee, Palin, and Republicans while not even being a resident of the U.S. ? Have you Canadians not got anything exciting going on that you can talk about? (providing the thaw isn't late?)

And your fixation on gay sex - even when talking about gun issues - continues to speak volumes about you.
Fixation? That a laugh! The only reason I speak of any issue (guns, homosexuals, Republicans, etc.) here is because it's dominance in the news; Vrede's posting links and petitions in the various threads, and your self-righteous indignation you portray even as a non-resident!

I find it highly amusing and entertaining, even more so when I speak against (or for) any issue and then sit back and watch you two come completely unglued . . . now that will fill volumes!

Pity and disdain is not "rankled", it's just our mild entertainment. I get "rankled" by real world bigotry in practice, but you're clearly real world irrelevant. In fact, your self-delusion generates more pity and disdain.
Fortunately, you two provide more than "mild entertainment"; you're real gut-busters, despite your "real-world irrelevancy".
Your "real-world" illusions of grandeur and self-importance is what to be pitied and held in disdain. Own it, you earned it.

[Seth Milner]

...photo...

I saw that article this morning and I was moved by it because of events going back several years; yet I inwardly believe it was a staged photo and opinion piece designed to (rightly so) belittle lawmakers.

Lawmakers scream about banning guns from those on watch and no-fly lists, yet say nothing about the individual who suddenly snaps and goes on a shooting spree. The Orlando shooter had nothing on record that prevented his obtaining weapons. The solution is (1) for our lawmakers to pass legislation outlawing weapons of mass destruction (2) Forbidding any Washington pol to have any dealings with the NRA (3) If our lawmakers (local and national) can impose stiff taxes on soft drinks, alcohol, and tobacco and close businesses deemed a nuisance, then they ought to have the power (and balls) to shut down the NRA as a business.

(p.s. I see you get some of your photos from Facebook too: https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-)

[O Really]

... The Orlando shooter had nothing on record that prevented his obtaining weapons. The solution is (1) for our lawmakers to pass legislation outlawing weapons of mass destruction (2) Forbidding any Washington pol to have any dealings with the NRA (3) If our lawmakers (local and national) can impose stiff taxes on soft drinks, alcohol, and tobacco and close businesses deemed a nuisance, then they ought to have the power (and balls) to shut down the NRA as a business.

Your suggestions are creative, even if somewhat impractical, but creativity is definitely needed in this issue. But saying "there is nothing on record that prevented his obtaining weapons" is really just stating the obvious symptom of the problem. Why wasn't there? One reason is that we define "record" very narrowly. We expect a conviction before anything is done. But what could have been considered a part of his record? History of spousal abuse, threats about radical group retribution, something - something - that got him under the FBI scope and at least two interviews. Anybody here been interviewed by the FBI twice? Not to say the FBI is perfect, and Vrede is usually more than happy to tell us about their historical record, but c'mon - add just those things together and it's OK for him to wander into a gun shop and buy - not a hunting rifle or shotgun, but a warlike weapon with extra size magazines - without even a waiting period? And after at least one gun shop - a gun shop! - had turned him down because he didn't seem right?

It's time for all the culture built around an absolute individual right to own any firearm (which legally existed only since 2008, Heller) to be toned down a bit. So what if a person is mistakenly or wrongly refused a gun purchase because he didn't deserve to be on the list. Worse things happen. They get loans turned down because of incorrect credit reports. They get identities stolen and take years to clear up. They get arrested because somebody else was driving their car or because some low level clerk got a plate number wrong. Shit happens. In the meantime, I'd rather see error on the side of caution when we're talking about selling something whose primary design purpose was to kill a bunch of people.

[Vrede too]

Even given the FBI's historical record, I'd be fine with it if certain behaviors at least triggered further examination. In Switzerland and Israel, both often foolishly cited by gunhuggers, one has to prove having a reason to own a gun.

Mythbusting: Israel and Switzerland are not gun-toting utopias

It's not like the inconvenience of denial comes close to matching active FBI repression.

Heller didn't create "an absolute individual right to own any firearm", just a ready to use firearm, specifically a hand gun if the individual meets certain criteria.

District of Columbia v. Heller: Decision

(2) Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54–56.

(3) The handgun ban and the trigger-lock requirement (as applied to self-defense) violate the Second Amendment. The District’s total ban on handgun possession in the home amounts to a prohibition on an entire class of “arms” that Americans overwhelmingly choose for the lawful purpose of self-defense. Under any of the standards of scrutiny the Court has applied to enumerated constitutional rights, this prohibition – in the place where the importance of the lawful defense of self, family, and property is most acute – would fail constitutional muster. Similarly, the requirement that any lawful firearm in the home be disassembled or bound by a trigger lock makes it impossible for citizens to use arms for the core lawful purpose of self-defense and is hence unconstitutional. Because Heller conceded at oral argument that the D. C. licensing law is permissible if it is not enforced arbitrarily and capriciously, the Court assumes that a license will satisfy his prayer for relief and does not address the licensing requirement. Assuming he is not disqualified from exercising Second Amendment rights, the District must permit Heller to register his handgun and must issue him a license to carry it in the home. Pp. 56–64.

If I understand correctly what Seth Milner means in what you've quoted by, "pass legislation outlawing weapons of mass destruction," we, he and SCOTUS (Scalia) are in agreement on assault-style weapons bans.

[Seth Milner]

If I understand correctly what Seth Milner means in what you've quoted by, "pass legislation outlawing weapons of mass destruction," we, he and SCOTUS (Scalia) are in agreement on assault-style weapons bans.

For once, you and I have similar opinions.

I have two pistols in my home; I don't need, nor see anyone else's need to own a rapid-fire, high-powered, high-shot capacity weapon in their home or on a hunting trip. Although I'm licensed, or permitted if you will, to carry in a number of states, I've not carried a weapon on my person in public in at least three years; I do carry a pistol in my truck when Spook and I travel for protection for when I stop somewhere late at night or if we're out on a hike somewhere. I don't need an assault weapon to kill a snake; legless or two-legged or any wild animal, two-legged or four-legged, that should attack me. It's beyond me as to why in hell an organization such as NRA should throw the Second Amendment in lawmakers' faces when the subject of assault weapon ban or control is mentioned. I personally feel the NRA itself should be banned. I've have never been, nor never will be a part of that radical bunch of hypocrites.

[JTA]

If I understand correctly what Seth Milner means in what you've quoted by, "pass legislation outlawing weapons of mass destruction," we, he and SCOTUS (Scalia) are in agreement on assault-style weapons bans.

For once, you and I have similar opinions.

I have two pistols in my home; I don't need, nor see anyone else's need to own a rapid-fire, high-powered, high-shot capacity weapon in their home or on a hunting trip. Although I'm licensed, or permitted if you will, to carry in a number of states, I've not carried a weapon on my person in public in at least three years; I do carry a pistol in my truck when Spook and I travel for protection for when I stop somewhere late at night or if we're out on a hike somewhere. I don't need an assault weapon to kill a snake; legless or two-legged or any wild animal, two-legged or four-legged, that should attack me. It's beyond me as to why in hell an organization such as NRA should throw the Second Amendment in lawmakers' faces when the subject of assault weapon ban or control is mentioned. I personally feel the NRA itself should be banned. I've have never been, nor never will be a part of that radical bunch of hypocrites.

[GoCubsGo]

Chaos Erupts as GOP Tries to Restore Order Amid Raucous Democratic Gun Control Sit-In


About freakin' time!!!

[Vrede too]

http://act.freepress.net/sign/internet_ ... 021.7OnuVd

[rstrong]

If I understand correctly what Seth Milner means in what you've quoted by, "pass legislation outlawing weapons of mass destruction," we, he and SCOTUS (Scalia) are in agreement on assault-style weapons bans.

For once, you and I have similar opinions.

[Seth Milner]

If I understand correctly what Seth Milner means in what you've quoted by, "pass legislation outlawing weapons of mass destruction," we, he and SCOTUS (Scalia) are in agreement on assault-style weapons bans.

For once, you and I have similar opinions.

Touche' ! However, you missed that "for once" part; I guessed I typed it too fast for you.
The fact we agree on one subject doesn't mean I follow him around drooling over everything he posts.



Chester and Spike Vrede and rstrong

[rstrong]

Touche' ! However, you missed that "for once" part;

I was going by YOUR definition: "If you agree at least once, you're conspiring." Vrede and I disagree all the time; you're just unable to recognize it even when it's spelled out for you.

Which is kind of disappointing. For a moment there you were showing signs of elementary school cognitive abilities.

[Vrede too]

"elementary school cognitive abilities" can be outweighed by deflecting from substance and perpetual victimization.

[Vrede too]

The N.R.A.’s Complicity in Terrorism

[Seth Milner]

For a moment there you were showing signs of elementary school cognitive abilities.

"elementary school cognitive abilities" can be outweighed by deflecting from substance and perpetual victimization.

Chester and SpikeVrede and rstrong

[O Really]

A New Jersey mother was arrested Saturday after her six-year-old accidentally and fatally shot his four-year-old brother in the head...
(for the arrest)

https://www.yahoo.com/news/crazy-mom-ar ... 43270.html

[Vrede too]

She's black, the arrest isn't that surprising.

[O Really]

She's black, the arrest isn't that surprising.

Well, there's that.

[O Really]

Score another for the Supremes...

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/court- ... &ocid=iehp

[Vrede too]

Score another for the Supremes...

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/court- ... &ocid=iehp

More details, including that it was 6-2:

Court upholds federal domestic violence gun restriction statute

... Justices Clarence Thomas and Sonia Sotomayor dissented.

“Under the majority’s approach, a parent who has a car accident because he sent a text message while driving can lose his right to bear arms forever if his wife or child suffers the slightest injury from the crash,” Thomas said....

It's very unlikely that someone "who has a car accident because he sent a text message while driving ... if his wife or child suffers the slightest injury" will be charged with "reckless domestic assault". There are plenty of traffic laws for that, Thomas. Ammosexuals are so funny in their desperation to defend their fetishes.

That said, maybe people that text while driving aren't responsible enough to have a gun, anyhow.