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O Really wrote:Score another for the Supremes...

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/court- ... &ocid=iehp

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And women, mostly, over allied domestic abusers and gunhuggers, 6-2.

Score another for the Supremes and women...

Supreme Court Strikes Down Texas Abortion Limits

... and freedom, privacy, the Constitution and healthcare over misogynist Big Brother government.
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For years right-wing politicians have used these so-called “TRAP” laws (Targeted Restrictions on Abortion Providers) to force abortion clinics to close, under the false guise of protecting women’s health.

That's saying that abortion clinics have been operating under the "false guise of protecting women’s health"? Interesting revelation. :-0?> :clap:
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Anybody can pick a slogan, accurate or not. But if you take the anti-abortion people's numbers at face value, 400 women have died in legal abortions since 1973. No information was given as to why or what circumstances may have led to the deaths. That's an overall average of 10 per year, which would be a really small risk number out of the million or so abortions per year. Probably not that far off from the risk of dental surgery. In fact, though, a much larger portion of those 400 deaths were closer to 1973 than to 2016, so we're talking current risk a bit less than getting killed by lightening.

Then, if we look at illegal abortions (from places where abortion is not legal), we find about 47,000 deaths per year. So given the total lack of evidence that making abortions illegal actually stops abortions, it does make some sense that legal abortion clinics are indeed working for women's health.

Let's look at the anti-abortionists "health" arguments. In Texas (and other places), they've tried to require doctors to have admitting privileges and run a multi-function surgical clinic. Yet they showed no health issue that they're solving. Nobody got refused entry to an emergency facility; nobody died from lack of regulation. They were, in effect, requiring that a woman take a pill in a multi-million dollar surgical facility. I think it's pretty clear that even if the Texas anti-abortion people did, in principle, have some concern for "womens' health" that their primary concern was simply making it more difficult to run an abortion clinic or to get an abortion. If they had really been interested in the risk and health aspects, they would have also included dental clinics, colonoscopy places, etc.

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:lol: :lol: :lol: Did Seth Milner really swallow the TX misogynists' "women's health" lie? Wow, that's so dumb! Fortunately 5 SCOTUS justices saw through it.
Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg slammed the Texas abortion law as 'beyond rational belief'

... as Ginsburg pointed out in her opinion, far more dangerous procedures — like childbirth — aren't subject to these kinds of restrictions.

"Given those realities, it is beyond rational belief that H.B. 2 could genuinely protect the health of women, and certain that the law 'would simply make it more difficult for them to obtain abortions,'" she wrote.

She also pointed out the likelihood of women resorting to unsafe procedures when they are unable to have a safe abortion. HB2 would have caused the majority of Texas' abortion clinics to close, leaving some women in rural areas hundreds of miles away from a clinic.

"When a State severely limits access to safe and legal procedures, women in desperate circumstances may resort to unlicensed rogue practitioners, faute de mieux, at great risk to their health and safety," she wrote....
O Really wrote:Anybody can pick a slogan, accurate or not. But if you take the anti-abortion people's numbers at face value, 400 women have died in legal abortions since 1973. No information was given as to why or what circumstances may have led to the deaths. That's an overall average of 10 per year, which would be a really small risk number out of the million or so abortions per year. Probably not that far off from the risk of dental surgery. In fact, though, a much larger portion of those 400 deaths were closer to 1973 than to 2016, so we're talking current risk a bit less than getting killed by lightening....
The odds of pregnancy/childbirth related death are much, much, much higher. If Seth Milner and the TX misogynists really cared about women's physical health, they would promote abortion.
O Really wrote:Score another for the Supremes...
... and women vs. misogynist fundies.

Supreme Court rejects pharmacists' religious claim
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The odds of pregnancy/childbirth related death are much, much, much higher. If Seth Milner and the TX misogynists really cared about women's physical health, they would promote abortion.
True that. The risk of death in the US in childbirth is more than 18 times as high as the risk of abortion, with about 800 dying in 2013. To clarify for the statistically impaired, that means that twice as many women died in childbirth in one year than have died in legal abortion in over 40 years.

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Backing off would be nice, but I'd almost rather see them get their asses handed to them in court...again...and again...and again.

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Except for all the women unconstitutionally harmed in the meantime. A bunch of TX clinics closed and some may never reopen.
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Let's sue 'em for that, too. Actually, I just had a thought. I wonder if the women harmed by the Texas law could sue the legislators who passed a law after having been advised it was probably unconstitutional. Probably not, but it would be fun to see someone try.

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I'm sure there is sovereign immunity, or whatever it's called. Plus, the ones that didn't have the resources to somehow get an abortion are the least likely to be in a position to sue, though requests of individual pols for child support would be fun. Some AFDC recipients could even name GOP TX Leg. members as the fathers and let AFDC go after them.

That said, I wonder if the shuttered clinics could sue the state for loss of business income.
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Way back in the day, when companies in the textile industry (among others) were particularly outrageously illegal in their union-fighting, once they company had lost, a part of their penalty included things like posting signs, providing a place for union organizers to meet with employees, yada. Maybe part of Texas' penalty could be to create and run free abortion clinics in all the places they ran out of business?

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Theresa May is running Britain. Assuming that Merkel remains chancellor of Germany and that Hillary wins in the U.S., in a few months the three biggest Western countries will all be run by women.

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rstrong wrote:Theresa May is running Britain. Assuming that Merkel remains chancellor of Germany and that Hillary wins in the U.S., in a few months the three biggest Western countries will all be run by women.
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Finally catching up to several Muslim nations that have had female heads of state - Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim nation, and India, not a majority Muslim nation but it has the second largest population of Muslims.
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Not a Western country, but I've always thought Putin was overcompensating for something. Then, there's that infamous North Korean secrecy.
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rstrong wrote:Theresa May is running Britain. Assuming that Merkel remains chancellor of Germany and that Hillary wins in the U.S., in a few months the three biggest Western countries will all be run by women.
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