Gun Legislation

[Vrede too]

What's your opinion of this, O Really?

[O Really]

What's your opinion of this, O Really?

Well, for starters, it's Mississippi. It has very little in actual labor laws, so pretty much everything gets litigated. But Mississippi has one of the ridiculously stupid "take your guns to work" laws, as do several other states, and the employer was an idiot. If they wanted to claim "employment at will" they should have picked something that isn't anchored in the law. "Employment at will" or "fire for any reason or no reason" doesn't include illegal reasons. So since the guy had a legal right to keep his firearm locked up in his car in the lot (thanks to the Republican fools in the legislature), they had no legal right to fire him over it and to still have a policy that on its face violates state law is just stupid. I was last sentenced to some work in Mississippi about 5 years ago, and it was like being sent back 50 years or more in terms of the employer culture.

[Vrede too]

... If they wanted to claim "employment at will" they should have picked something that isn't anchored in the law....

Or even no reason at all when it's "employment at will", right?

Given the myriad options bosses have in a state like MS, or NC, I'll bet other Aurora Flight Sciences Corp. workers leave their toys at home or keep their mouths shut about it.

[O Really]

Or even no reason at all when it's "employment at will", right?

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Ironically, that rarely ever works IRL. The general perception is that it is fundamentally illogical for an employer to actually fire somebody for no reason. If there is no reason to fire a person, doing so would be against the employer's own interest, creating turnover, replacement effort and costs, etc. So every time some employer claims "no reason" it results in a reaction of "shit there must be some reason... so if he won't tell us it must be illegal." So the employee runs down the list of categories s/he could be in and goes to EEOC/DOL, wherever and say s/he was fired over race, harassment, whistleblowing, whatever. Once a charge is filed, it is up to the employer to show that it had a non-discriminatory reason for the termination. "No reason" never works.

Where "employment at will" is helpful is in instances where the reason given isn't necessarily illegal, but seen as unreasonable or unfair. So an employer fires a guy because customers complained about his face tats. Employee says other employees have tats and he was the only one fired and happens to be Hispanic. Employer says the Hispanic guy is the only one working at the front desk and absent any law prohibiting it, he can fire him for any reason - including customer biases as long as those biases aren't based on race...etc.

[Vrede too]

I should have posted "no *stated* reason at all". Most times, charges aren't filed, so "every time ... never works" is inaccurate. As you conclude with, if any reason is offered a smart boss just makes sure it's a legal one, even if it's not the real one.

[O Really]

You're right, but still it's pretty unusual for an employer to not give any reason, even if the reason given is stuff like "poor team player," "not progressing as expected" "need for organizational change," and other meaningless crap. But ultimately, a system that is based on a belief that the party with almost all the power will act in the benefit of the party with very little power and without a contract or other binding agreement or law should be called a "unicorn system."

Did you ever think that the same people who seek contracts from plumbers fixing their house and won't leave the grocery without making sure they have their receipt are perfectly willing to trust their economic life to an employer who, on their first day of work, hands out handbooks loudly proclaiming "not a contract" and "employment at will"?

And then go to work for an executive who himself has a professionally written contract?

[Vrede too]

It's not like most of us have a choice. I have no contract and my job is "employment at will". Does that make me " " ? My only options are a different career or a different state.

[O Really]

wasn't intended personally toward you or another individual. But the broad acceptance of such a skewed system coupled with a belief totally unsupported by historical evidence that it is somehow in the interest of the employees is about as illogical as you can get. An individual can do little or nothing about it - other than go somewhere else or do something else. And often it's more in the individual's personal interest to put up with it rather than move or do something else. And indeed some employers, acting in their own interests, treat employees pretty fairly.

[Vrede too]

I don't accept it and I'm not a broad.

[Vrede too]

Family of Charles Vacca, gun instructor killed by girl with Uzi, sues Arizona range

:!: He not only chose to instruct a 9-year-old but was also the person responsible for making sure that his instruction was effective and safe.

[Vrede too]

... California stood up to the National Rifle Association lobby and voted not only to make illegal the possession of ammunition magazines that hold more than 10 rounds; it also voted to require background checks for anyone buying bullets and to extend police powers when it comes to removing firearms from owners if they have been convicted of a felony....

[billy.pilgrim]

Family of Charles Vacca, gun instructor killed by girl with Uzi, sues Arizona range

:!: He not only chose to instruct a 9-year-old but was also the person responsible for making sure that his instruction was effective and safe.

Looks like a good kill to me.

[Boatrocker]

Family of Charles Vacca, gun instructor killed by girl with Uzi, sues Arizona range

:!: He not only chose to instruct a 9-year-old but was also the person responsible for making sure that his instruction was effective and safe.

Looks like a good kill to me.

[Vrede too]

9-Year-Old Kills Gun Instructor

"2014 Reader Submission
Pending Acceptance"

The only thing that can stop a bad instructor with a gun is a good 9-year-old with a gun.

[Vrede too]

Girl, 4, Accidentally Shoots Herself And Her Mother In The Head
“Curious kids and loaded guns have deadly consequences,” the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department later tweeted.

[Mr.B]

OK, now we know what a liberal will do if someone breaks in at night....stick 'em with a safety pin!
(it is a safety pin, isn't it?)



(Note to rstrong: Posted as humor only. Don't take it seriously)

[JTA]

OK, now we know what a liberal will do if someone breaks in at night....stick 'em with a safety pin!
(it is a safety pin, isn't it?)



(Note to rstrong: Posted as humor only. Don't take it seriously)

That dude needs to work on his shit trigger finger discipline before he shoots himself in the ass.

Pass him a safety pin until he learns how to properly handle a firearm

[Mr.B]

"That dude needs to work on his shit trigger finger discipline before he shoots himself in the ass.

Pass him a safety pin until he learns how to properly handle a firearm"

Somehow I knew you would be the one who'd notice that! I was waiting!

[Vrede too]

Mr.B is wetting himself in fear that someone will break in at night, poor thing.

Also, the safety pins are to let women and oppressed minorities know that not everyone is a pitiful, immoral bigot like Mr.B, not to make the wearer feel safe, and some liberals will protect minorities from Mr.B's ilk with a gun if need be. Mr.B is a befuddled idiot, again.

[Mr.B]

"Mr.B is wetting himself in fear that someone will break in at night, poor thing."
C'mon and break in and let's see who wets their pants first...



Also, the safety pins are to let women and oppressed minorities know that not everyone is a pitiful, immoral bigot like Mr.B
or Vrede, rstrong, Boatrocker, billy.pilgrim. Bigotry and immorality isn't limited to women and "opressed" minorities.

"...not to make the wearer feel safe..."
The diapers will still fall down in spite of all the "safety" precautions?

".. Mr.B is a befuddled idiot, again."
You left out screeching, pants-wetting. Gotta make full use of those 'Phrases of The Month', you know.