The LEO thread

[Vrede too]

Oh, and chem trails are keeping us all docile.

And fluoride in our water.

Don't forget the North American Union by 2005 2007 2008 2010!!!

Also, to add - those dollar bills in your wallet? They're not real. You've been fed a lie and only think they're valuable, but they're not.

White people are descended from extraterrestrials, too.

It's a shame they weren't smarter ones.

[GoCubsGo]

Why some people get shot by police:
worth watching.

Why should they be shot?

[O Really]

She lost me at the nonexistent "US Book of Codes." But being mouthy and crazy still isn't a death penalty offense.

[Seth Milner]

Why should they be shot?

A better question would be "why do they get shot?"
Another question: Why do people have to get combative when pulled over by a cop?

"Free Inhabitant" , "Sovereign Citizen" . . .

[Seth Milner]

She lost me at the nonexistent "US Book of Codes." But being mouthy and crazy still isn't a death penalty offense.

Correct. But unfortunately, many times it ends that way; the point of my post.

[O Really]

Another question: Why do people have to get combative when pulled over by a cop?

That's a good question, and there are obviously many possible answers. But here's why you (and probably me) don't understand people mouthing off to cops. If we get stopped for, say, speeding, it is highly likely that the officer will approach the car and stand beside the door, ask for license/insurance, maybe take the license back to his car (or probably he's already run the plate) and he'll say something like, "I clocked you going 55 in a 35" as he's writing the ticket. He'll likely be polite, won't get us out of the car to put our hands on the hood, and will leave with a generally pleasant warning to keep the speed down. Why, in that scenario, would be give him a load of crap? We wouldn't.

But that's not the experience a lot of these people who end up shot or thrown to the ground get. They're stopped when they know they're not speeding, often for something neither of us would ever get pulled for, like failure to use turn signal. They aren't left in their car while the cop checks their license; they're hauled out by a copy with his gun unstrapped and handy. Again, even if we were treated that way, we might just keep our heads down and mouth shut and figure we'll punch the speed dial for our lawyer when it's over, but you can't blame somebody who starts to feel a bit defensive and threatened when they're the subject of harassment, particularly since they have friends/families whose traffic stop did not go well.

[Vrede too]

If Seth Milner means physically combative, they don't and it usually ends badly for them.

If Seth Milner means verbally combative while physically compliant, not everyone is as ovine as Seth Milner.

[Seth Milner]

They're stopped when they know they're not speeding, often for something neither of us would ever get pulled for, like failure to use turn signal.
Even if that's the case, being verbally abusive to the cop is unnecessary. **

They aren't left in their car while the cop checks their license; they're hauled out by a copy with his gun unstrapped and handy.
Naturally, the cop is going to feel ill at ease if the situation begins to get tense.

Again, even if we were treated that way, we might just keep our heads down and mouth shut and figure we'll punch the speed dial for our lawyer when it's over, but you can't blame somebody who starts to feel a bit defensive and threatened when they're the subject of harassment, particularly since they have friends/families whose traffic stop did not go well.
That's my point. Since the courts decided that public vulgar language is not a crime, why do people think they're entitled to dress down an officer with filthy language and name-calling? Why do people have to think that being stopped by an officer in any situation is harassment? No two traffic stops are the same.

(**Since the subject above dealt with abusive language, I was in an Outback Steak House recently where the customer ordered a steak cooked medium. It came back too rare. Rather than ask the waitress to take it back and have it cooked a bit more, the man began to curse and scream loudly about his steak and berate the poor hapless waitress. I almost lost it and caught myself before I got myself involved in a lawsuit with the worthless bastard. Cops are no different from anyone else, they have emotions too, some control theirs better than others.)

[Seth Milner]

If Seth Milner means physically combative, they don't and it usually ends badly for them.
If Seth Milner means verbally combative while physically compliant, not everyone is as ovine as Seth Milner.

I mean combative period. Displaying a bit of respect for other people is hardly being like a sheep.
You should try it sometime; it'll make a better person . . . nahh . . . forget that. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to insult you.

[O Really]

You still don't get the point, Seth. If you know the cop is going to escalate whatever you do, certainly it's reasonable to say nothing. No doubt. No matter what the cop does or who you are. But... there's a difference in a response being excusable and being understandable. You may find verbally abusing the cop to be unexcusable, whether from the standpoint of courtesy or personal protection and self-interest, but it's still understandable that people don't always act reasonably at times of stress and threat. If you can accept that cops act out of fear, you should be able to accept that the victims do, too.

[Vrede too]

Cousin of Slain Baton Rouge Cop Was Wrongly Arrested for the Massacre
Damarcus Alexander went into a Walmart to change clothes. When he came out, police locked him up and allegedly denied him diabetes medicine until he almost slipped into a coma.

[rstrong]

With the rise of augmented reality games like Pokémon Go, it's only a short matter of time until video footage of police abuse contains a Pokémon.

[Vrede too]

Woman Says Police Officers Shot Her Dog for No Reason (video)

Support your local police, shoot your dog.

[Vrede too]

Delaware Supreme Court Strikes Down State's Death Penalty Law

Delaware's highest court ruled that the state's death penalty statute is unconstitutional, which could signal the end of capital punishment in the state. The decision, based on the Supreme Court's invalidation of Florida's death penalty law, held that judges were given too great a role in imposing death sentences. While Delaware could appeal the decision to the U.S. Supreme Court or re-write the statute to comply with constitutional requirements, the state legislature's push to abolish capital punishment could be an indicator that the ruling will stand....

Delaware had just 14 prisoners on death row and had not executed a prisoner since 2012. A bill to repeal the state's death penalty statute was pulled from consideration to await the court's decision this week. And while Florida is attempting to rewrite its death penalty law, no similar effort is expected in the First State. Eighteen states have abolished the death penalty and many others have put executions on hold because of a scarcity of lethal injection drugs and disputes over execution procedures.

[Vrede too]

Woman Accidentally Shot (and killed) During Citizen Police Academy

EWLM - Elderly Women's Lives Matter

[rstrong]

Techdirt: DOJ Finally Going To Force Law Enforcement Agencies To Hand Over Info On People Killed By Police Officers

For most of the last two decades, the DOJ has been collecting this information from local law enforcement agencies, but only on a voluntary basis. As a result, the federal numbers have nearly no relation to the real numbers -- which have been compiled by a handful of private actors, including The Guardian, a UK-based journalistic entity.

[Vrede too]

Thanks, rstrong, it's about time.



Tell Pres. Obama: Don't lift the ban on military equipment for police.

[rstrong]

Techdirt: DOJ Finally Going To Force Law Enforcement Agencies To Hand Over Info On People Killed By Police Officers

For most of the last two decades, the DOJ has been collecting this information from local law enforcement agencies, but only on a voluntary basis. As a result, the federal numbers have nearly no relation to the real numbers -- which have been compiled by a handful of private actors, including The Guardian, a UK-based journalistic entity.

On the other hand...

#RightToRecord: DOJ must investigate arrests of citizens who document police killings

Citizen journalists are reporting from the frontline of police violence in the United States. Using camera phones, they recorded the final moments of Philando Castile, Alton Sterling, Freddie Gray, and Eric Garner. In each case, the police retaliated by arresting those citizens - either in the immediate aftermath of the killings, or within 24 hours of the deaths being ruled homicides by medical examiners.

[rstrong]

Update:

Video? What Video? UC Davis Attempts to Censor the Internet (for at least $175,000). And Finds It Does Not Work (article)

Update:

$175,000 to a reputation management firm?
Make that $407,000 to three different reputation management firms.

Techdirt: Former UC Davis Chancellor Katehi Way More Obsessed With Her Online Reputation Than Initially Thought

[Vrede too]

Thanks!

Let's see how "Her Online Reputation" is doing.

goodsearch: "Linda Katehi"

UC Davis chancellor resigns following probe into ethical violations
Linda Katehi resigns as chancellor of UC Davis
Linda Katehi resigns as chancellor of UC Davis
What Began With Pepper Spray at UC Davis Ends With a Golden Parachute
----- Chancellor Linda Katehi, who wasted hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to minimize the incident, has been forced to resign. But the public will keep paying her lavishly.
Long-Embattled UC Davis Chancellor Linda Katehi Resigns
UC Davis Chancellor Placed On Leave Over Claims Of Ethics Violations
UC Davis Chancellor Apologizes For Trying To Scrub Pepper Spray Incident From Google
UC Davis Chancellor Katehi steps down under pressure
UC Davis chancellor apologizes for controversial moonlighting activities

Opps.
That's in the neighborhood of 4 full profs. for a year, or many more lower level staff. :cussing: