Private Prisons Aren’t Going Anywhere Despite Department of Justice Decision
... In the hours after yesterday’s announcement, share prices for Corrections Corporation of America (CCA) -- which claims to be the “nation’s largest owner of privatized correctional and detention facilities and one of the largest prison operators in the United States” -- on the New York Stock Exchange dropped to $13.04, down from a 52-week high of $35.05 in late June (a decline of almost 63 percent).
Similarly, another major private prison operator, GEO Group, saw its share prices on the NYSE fall about 53 percent -- from a 52-week high of $35.14 in mid-July to $16.26.
... This week's decision applied only to the federal prison bureau and not the U.S. Marshals Service -- although both operate under the Department of Justice.
Meanwhile, officials tell ABC News that Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), another major federal client, is not affected by the decision.
... Meanwhile, the companies maintain contracts at the state level, which are also unaffected by the Justice Department decision....
Yes, but that's where the similarity ends. There's a big difference in who and how many people go to prison when prisons are run for profit.Seth Milner wrote:A prison is a prison; no matter who's running it.
Wikipedia:Vrede too wrote:Does Canada have private prisons?
I don't suppose you'd have an example of an amenity in prison that is better than "most citizens of the U.S." have? You do realize that most of the "amenities" are used as control tools, right? (oversimplification: a prisoner watching tv is easier to control than one sitting there with nothing to do; a prisoner with access to exercise equipment is less likely to attack fellow inmates or screws)Seth Milner wrote: ACLU wants prisoners coddled and given better amenities than most citizens of the U.S. receive, despite whatever crime, petty or heinous, they're incarcerated for.
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Scenario: Someone gets busted for a minor drug offence, like weed. Maybe they have a shitton of weed so they get locked away for intent to distribute or something.Seth Milner wrote:Why they're in prison isn't the point.
Vrede's petition from the ACLU states:
"Private prisons are inhumane profit machines where the bottom line is often more important than people’s lives."
"People's lives" --- so what about the "people's lives", that a majority of prisoners in our systems, took or shattered because of their being there to begin with?
ACLU can't slobber and spit against private prisons like they can gov't. owned prisons. ACLU wants prisoners coddled and given better amenities than most citizens of the U.S. receive, despite whatever crime, petty or heinous, they're incarcerated for.
My point: a prison is a prison, no matter who's running it.
Vrede too wrote:Almost everyone gets out of prison eventually. Better that they are humans rather than animals when they do.
Most are animals when they go in; many are still animals and can't be or don't want to be reformed.
Seth Milner chooses vengeance over societal good.
It's not vengeance; it's "reaping what you sow". You commit the crime, you pay for it. If death penalties for murder and atrocious crimes against another human were boldly carried out, prisons wouldn't be overcrowded.
You can't tell me, and make me believe it, that if a man broke into your home and raped & killed your wife/mother/daughter or outright slaughtered your entire family, that you wouldn't seek vengeance; whether your own, or that which is doled out by the courts.
JTA wrote:
Scenario: Someone gets busted for a minor drug offence, like weed. Maybe they have a shitton of weed so they get locked away for intent to distribute or something.
I agree with you that locking someone up for minor drug offenses is about as asinine as it gets. After all, cigarettes and alcohol are drugs to an extent; but the alcohol lobby is a powerful lobby that has a way of carrying weight with lawmakers. Socking smokes and alcohol with higher prices is not going to rid it from society.
A lot of people laugh about things like prison rape, or prisoners getting shanked. They automatically assume all prisoners are all cold blooded murderers. That's messed up.
The prisoners that are cold blooded murderers are the prisoners that are cold blooded murderers.
Like Vrede said, they're gonna get out eventually.
If they are in fact cold blooded murderers, they should pay the ultimate price for their cold blooded murders.
We could lock prisoners up in the most inhumane conditions ever to punish them, but they're just gonna leave prison with all kinds of psychological problems and resentment.
Agreed.
We don't necessarily have to treat them like they're on an all inclusive vacation,
I see you're not a full-blooded liberal.
but at the bare minimum they shouldn't be treated like animals.
Agreed there too; however, it would depend on whether or not they chose to live like an animal. Let the punishment fit the crime.
Its not the state's duty to seek vengeance. The state ought to do whatever is most rational, which is removing the offending individual from society in order to protect others by meting out justice. Justice =/= vengeance.Seth Milner wrote:Vrede too wrote:Almost everyone gets out of prison eventually. Better that they are humans rather than animals when they do.
Most are animals when they go in; many are still animals and can't be or don't want to be reformed.
Seth Milner chooses vengeance over societal good.
It's not vengeance; it's "reaping what you sow". You commit the crime, you pay for it. If death penalties for murder and atrocious crimes against another human were boldly carried out, prisons wouldn't be overcrowded.
You can't tell me, and make me believe it, that if a man broke into your home and raped & killed your wife/mother/daughter or outright slaughtered your entire family, that you wouldn't seek vengeance; whether your own, or that which is doled out by the courts.
That "a majority of prisoners in our systems" have taken or shattered other people's lives is a lie, so all of your conclusions deriving from that are stupid ones.Seth Milner wrote:People's lives" --- so what about the "people's lives", that a majority of prisoners in our systems, took or shattered because of their being there to begin with?
Seth Milner wrote:Most are animals when they go in; many are still animals and can't be or don't want to be reformed.
That "Most are animals when they go in" is a lie, so all of your conclusions deriving from that are stupid ones.
"can't be or don't want to be reformed" is just you making things up when you're floundering, as usual, and I didn't mention "reformed", anyhow. Rather the point you're cowering from, as usual, is that you want to make the ones that will get out worse for society.
Lucky for you cowardice isn't usually illegal, otherwise you would be experiencing the prison system you're so ignorant about.
It's not vengeance; it's "reaping what you sow". You commit the crime, you pay for it.
Ummm, that is vengeance. Seth Milner fails English, again.
If death penalties for murder and atrocious crimes against another human were boldly carried out,
Support it or not, there's nothing bold about execution. Seth Milner fails English, again.
prisons wouldn't be overcrowded.
That's just you making things up when you're floundering, as usual. There is zero evidence that state killing has a deterrent effect. In fact, states with the death penalty on average have more violence, not less.
You can't tell me, and make me believe it, that if a man broke into your home and raped & killed your wife/mother/daughter or outright slaughtered your entire family, that you wouldn't seek vengeance; whether your own, or that which is doled out by the courts.
What I would do or want to do is irrelevant, moron. The point you're cowering from, as usual, is that we're discussing what the state should do in the interests of the healthiest society. My victimized self would not care about society.
Seth Milner wrote:... "People's lives" --- so what about the "people's lives", that a majority of prisoners in our systems, took or shattered because of their being there to begin with? ...
Yep, Seth Milner lied again.O Really wrote:So for sake of discussion, let's say that all violent criminals are "animals."Seth Milner wrote:Most are animals when they go in ...
Yes, "for sake of discussion". Violent crime should have consequences, but it's just dishonest stupidity for Seth Milner to say that all violent criminals are "animals".
That leaves the question of what to do with the other half of the prison population (or 93% of the federal prison population) http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.reso ... eID=004339 ...
JTA wrote:Its not the state's duty to seek vengeance. The state ought to do whatever is most rational, which is removing the offending individual from society in order to protect others by meting out justice. Justice =/= vengeance.Seth Milner wrote:Vrede too wrote:Almost everyone gets out of prison eventually. Better that they are humans rather than animals when they do.
Most are animals when they go in; many are still animals and can't be or don't want to be reformed.
Seth Milner chooses vengeance over societal good.
It's not vengeance; it's "reaping what you sow". You commit the crime, you pay for it. If death penalties for murder and atrocious crimes against another human were boldly carried out, prisons wouldn't be overcrowded.
You can't tell me, and make me believe it, that if a man broke into your home and raped & killed your wife/mother/daughter or outright slaughtered your entire family, that you wouldn't seek vengeance; whether your own, or that which is doled out by the courts.