The LEO thread

[rstrong]

you are? I would have guessed you're rstrong's parrot.

I was staying out of this.

Mocking you for being a bigoted, homophobic, racist, misogynistic sub-moronic dumpster fire of a human being is one thing, but I try not to make fun of mental illness. Review your posts here for the last day, and you see someone having a psychotic episode.

[Seth Milner]

you are? I would have guessed you're rstrong's parrot.

I was staying out of this.
I was wondering how long it was going to take you to come in and defend your dance partner. So predictable.

Mocking you for being a bigoted, homophobic, racist, misogynistic sub-moronic dumpster fire of a human being is one thing
You've obviously confused me with someone else.

but I try not to make fun of mental illness.
Vrede would appreciate your leaving your assessment of him out of your insanity-inspired rantings.

Review your posts here for the last day, and you see someone having a psychotic episode.
Nothing unusual; you and Vrede constantly post the SOS.
If you're referring to me, so what? My problem, not yours. You don't like it? Tough shit. Suck it up Buttercup.

You've not the slightest clue what my "psychotic episode" entails, Mr. "rstrong".

[rstrong]

you are? I would have guessed you're rstrong's parrot.

I was staying out of this.
I was wondering how long it was going to take you to come in and defend your dance partner. So predictable.

YOU called me in, you moron.

Mocking you for being a bigoted, homophobic, racist, misogynistic sub-moronic dumpster fire of a human being is one thing
You've obviously confused me with someone else.

Nope.

Review your posts here for the last day, and you see someone having a psychotic episode.
If you're referring to me, so what? My problem, not yours.

Well, sure. Which is why I stayed out. But then YOU brought me into the conversation.

[rstrong]

As America's temperatures soar, prisoners are dropping dead

Most states have no maximum temperature standards for their prisons: combine that with a succession of hottest-months-on-record and a prison system that provides less water than is medically recommended even when it's not hotter than blazes, and you've got a carceral state that is roasting prisoners alive.
[..]
the Wallace Pack Unit, which houses sick, disabled, and elderly prisoners serving time for nonviolent crimes — sued TDCJ officials in an effort to keep the temperature below 88 degrees and prevent heat-stroke deaths.

[Seth Milner]

But then YOU brought me into the conversation.

Must've been when I spoke of animals and scumbags . . . . Lurch: "you rang?"

[Seth Milner]

As America's temperatures soar, prisoners are dropping dead

Who'da thunk it? Mother Nature purging the prisons!

[Vrede too]

That is another propaganda argument of the bleeding heart liberals. I'm not saying that there aren't innocents, but you can't eliminate capital punishment across the board because of that.

That is another propaganda argument of the bloodthirsty cons that have absolute faith in an honest and infallible government. Of course you can eliminate capital punishment across the board. Most nations and several states have done so. The few countries that haven't we would never want to otherwise be in league with.

Guilty murderers have screamed innocence ever since the dawn of imprisonment, some convincingly, and nowadays, some panty-waist judge

Ummm, agree with their decisions or not, panty-waist judges don't overturn prior rulings. Seth Milner fails English, again.

will find a flaw in one's defense/prosecution proceedings and order them freed, despite their guilt or innocence. It's happened.

Bull, those released after years of campaigning and legal efforts have been freed because their innocence was proven or their prosecution was shown to have been massively flawed. Panty-waist Seth Milner just makes up lies when he's floundering.

Unfortunately, the innocent suffer with the guilty. It's not a perfect system out there, but it would do the job of curbing violent crime.

Again, that's just you making things up, as usual. There is zero evidence that state killing has a deterrent effect. In fact, states with the death penalty on average have more violence, not less.

Philadelphia Man Exonerated After Nearly 25 Years Behind Bars for Rape, Murder

After spending nearly 25 years behind bars for a brutal crime he didn't commit, Tony Wright is a free man.

The Philadelphia resident was just 20 years old when he was convicted and sentenced to life in prison for the rape and stabbing of a neighbor more than two decades ago. Wright, now 44, walked out of prison Tuesday with his arms raised in the air. He held hands with his attorneys and members of the Innocence Project, a nonprofit legal organization based in New York City.

"Unbelievable, unbelievable, man. Best feeling in the world, man. I never felt like this in my entire life," Wright told ABC affiliate WPVI-TV in Philadelphia. "We did it, I mean today is our day."

Lawyers with the Innocent Project secured DNA evidence that showed Wright was not the one who committed the 1991 rape of his neighbor, 77-year-old Louise Talley. Still, the district attorney’s office in Philadelphia decided to take Wright's case to trial again in 2014. On Tuesday, after deliberating for more than an hour, a jury found him not guilty, acquitting him of the rape and murder.

"We are extremely relieved that this very long nightmare is finally over for Mr. Wright and his family," Peter Neufeld, co-director of the Innocence Project, said in a statement. "But it’s outrageous that he has been forced to endure a retrial to gain his freedom after DNA testing already proved his innocence." ...

Wright narrowly escaped the death penalty at his original trial by a 7 to 5 vote of the jury. At the re-trial, DNA tests revealed that the clothing police had alleged was worn by Wright to commit the crime was actually not his and could not have been in his home as authorities had claimed, according to the Innocence Project....

[billy.pilgrim]

As America's temperatures soar, prisoners are dropping dead

Who'da thunk it? Mother Nature purging the prisons!

Could of been you or yours wrongly convicted, or maybe dying of heat is what a kid deserves for smoking a joint.

[Vrede too]

For every one that dies - hardly "purging", Seth Milner is an idiot again - scores or more are expensively treated for heat-related illnesses. Who'da thunk it? Big Brother purging Seth Milner's wallet! . . . and he likes it.

[O Really]

will find a flaw in one's defense/prosecution proceedings and order them freed, despite their guilt or innocence. It's happened.

So Seth, exactly how large a "flaw" would you be willing to accept? I'm hoping (maybe overly optimistically) that if you found that the prosecutor and police all knew the guy didn't do it, and they all lied on the stand and presented falsified evidence that you'd be willing to overturn the conviction, right?
And I'm guessing that if everything else was in order but the judge mispronounced the defendant's name in sentencing that you would keep him in prison, yes? So between those extremes is a point that you're willing to accept flaws and errors in the trial and still leave the animal living his country club life in prison, right? How much error or railroading are you willing to accept?

[rstrong]

And I'm guessing that if everything else was in order but the judge mispronounced the defendant's name in sentencing that you would keep him in prison, yes?

There was a story in News of the Weird a decade ago, as usual citing the original news story:

A man in Texas spent the better part of a decade in prison before being exonerated by DNA evidence. The case went before a judge. The judge ruled that he had a fair trial based on the evidence available at the time, and thus he was properly convicted, so he wouldn't be released.

The judge was eventually overruled, but still.

[Vrede too]

Tell Department of Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson:

“Terminate and refuse to renew immigrant detention contracts with private prison companies.”

[JTA]

And I'm guessing that if everything else was in order but the judge mispronounced the defendant's name in sentencing that you would keep him in prison, yes?

There was a story in News of the Weird a decade ago, as usual citing the original news story:

A man in Texas spent the better part of a decade in prison before being exonerated by DNA evidence. The case went before a judge. The judge ruled that he had a fair trial based on the evidence available at the time, and thus he was properly convicted, so he wouldn't be released.

The judge was eventually overruled, but still.

I think this is a good example of how sometimes people bastardize reason through strict unflinching adherence to a system of rules.

[O Really]

I think this is a good example of how sometimes people bastardize reason through strict unflinching adherence to a system of rules.

Ah yes, including the "zero tolerance" people. On the other hand, if you're going to allow reason into the equation, you have to have someone to apply it and you have to trust them to apply it in a way beneficial to all. Pretty tall order. Most of the time people - at least in court - prefer everyone go exactly by the rules. Of course in this instance, the judge could have gone exactly by the rules and still overturned the conviction.

[Boatrocker]

And I'm guessing that if everything else was in order but the judge mispronounced the defendant's name in sentencing that you would keep him in prison, yes?

There was a story in News of the Weird a decade ago, as usual citing the original news story:

A man in Texas spent the better part of a decade in prison before being exonerated by DNA evidence. The case went before a judge. The judge ruled that he had a fair trial based on the evidence available at the time, and thus he was properly convicted, so he wouldn't be released.

The judge was eventually overruled, but still.

Well, in fairness, that wasn't America; that was Texass.

[Vrede too]

... Example being the new president if the Phillipines calling on citizens to murder drug dealers, resulting in the deaths of nearly 1800 people, some of which im sure were innocent.

Alleged drug users, too, and I just read that the tally is over 1900 just since Rodrigo Duterte took office on June 30, 2016. This is the kind of society that Seth Milner wants.

Philippines drugs war: The woman who kills dealers for a living

[Seth Milner]

This is the kind of society that Seth Milner wants.
Nice to know your awesome talents include mind-reading; must be that Palin/Trump/Huckabee/Santorum thing you and rstrong share. The "kind of society" Vrede wants is one that is overrun with drug-addicts, rapists, child-molesters, cross-dressers, etc. . . . a state that has no law, and the honest has no guns to protect themselves from the lawless who do have guns . . . don't deny it, it's all here; scattered throughout your posts. Your typed words may not say it directly, but the meaning you attempt to cloak is quite clear.


Philippines drugs war: The woman who kills dealers for a living

Ain't this plumb awful?!? Why, it's common knowledge that no self-respecting drug dealer would ever be responsible for the deaths of children; born and unborn, or those who find themselves in a financial bind and owe the scumbags money. tsk, tsk. Awful, I tell you, just plumb awful.The only thing better than a drug dealer is a dead drug dealer; right up there with pedophiles, murderers, and rapists and the other assorted violent animals of society. (how's that Vrede; does that make your blood boil?)

[rstrong]

The "kind of society" Vrede wants is one that is overrun with drug-addicts,

Calling for due process and trials is NOT the same as siding with drug addicts. Even for a racist, misogynistic homophobic, sub-moronic trash bin fire of a human being, you can be pretty goddamned stupid.

When the government declares that anyone can carry out extra-judicial killings by simply declaring the targets to be drug dealers, and there are 1,900 such killings in a month and a half, you can be absolutely certain that a large percentage of the victims weren't drug dealers. Petty squabbles, rivalries, political differences, debts, failed relationships and marriages, and just plain misunderstandings and mistaken identities will be responsible for a large percentage of them.

One has to wonder how many people were killed as "drug dealers" simply for political opposition to Duterte. From Stalin to Erdoğan, that's how would-be dictators consolidate power.

[Vrede too]

It's big of Seth Milner to admit that he approves of such barbarism, though the only surprise is his honesty, not his approval.

Of course, as is so often the case, he is speaking from complete ignorance, not from a career of experience dealing with drug addiction (booze is the worst) like I have. The drug war he adores has utterly failed - no reduction in drug use, racist implementation, way more violence than would otherwise be the case, immense costs, maiming of the Constitution and massive harm to society. Drug abuse is, has always been and always will be a public health issue. Those who are stupidly enamored with a law enforcement "solution" are just expressing their neofascist desires, not any real interest in effectively dealing with drugs.

[Seth Milner]

The "kind of society" Vrede wants is one that is overrun with drug-addicts,

That's like me saying Vrede is ugly and stupid and you countering that he ain't ugly. Good show.

Calling for due process and trials is NOT the same as siding with drug addicts. Even for a racist, misogynistic homophobic, sub-moronic trash bin fire of a human being, you can be pretty goddamned stupid.
Yeah, I can be, but I'm not. I try not to parrot your fine qualities.

When the government declares that anyone can carry out extra-judicial killings by simply declaring the targets to be drug dealers, and there are 1,900 such killings in a month and a half, you can be absolutely certain that a large percentage of the victims weren't drug dealers.
And how can you be absolutely certain that they weren't?

Petty squabbles, rivalries, political differences, debts, failed relationships and marriages, and just plain misunderstandings and mistaken identities will be responsible for a large percentage of them.
So . . . do what Vrede does; start a petition drive, write a hate letter to Duterte; or maybe even write to Dear Abby. I'd give you a quarter to put in the jukebox, but inflation done set in and it costs more, and the song you want to hear costs more than a dollar.

One has to wonder how many people were killed as "drug dealers" simply for political opposition to Duterte. From Stalin to Erdoğan, that's how would-be dictators consolidate power.
In the mean time, drug dealers keep feeding their garbage to innocent children and young girls. All I said was 'good riddance'.

It's big of Seth Milner to admit that he approves of such barbarism, though the only surprise is his honesty, not his approval.
That's no more barbaric than the exploits of a drug dealer.

Of course, as is so often the case, he is speaking from complete ignorance, not from a career of experience dealing with drug addiction (booze is the worst) like I have.
Well, let me be the first to congratulate you for breaking free and coming clean.

I said nothing about drug addiction; who in hell do you think is responsible for that drug addiction? Santa Claus? The Tooth Fairy? The Easter Bunny maybe? Who gets rich off these poor drugs addicts? Why do drug addicts turn to crime? Damn straight, I support annihilation of drug dealers, although I'd prefer LEO's carry out the duties.

The drug war he adores . . .
The drug war you despise because it cuts into your playtime and leisure activities.

. . . has utterly failed
You're right there . . .

no reduction in drug use, racist implementation, way more violence than would otherwise be the case, immense costs, maiming of the Constitution and massive harm to society. Drug abuse is, has always been and always will be a public health issue.
So, who's doing the trafficking, drug dealers, or drug addicts? You're saying if drugs were legalized, all would be hunky-dory, and drug abuse would be a thing of the past? Alcohol and tobacco has always been and always will be a public health issue as well; and they're legal.

Those who are stupidly enamored with a law enforcement "solution" are just expressing their neofascist desires, not any real interest in effectively dealing with drugs.
Since you are "stupidly enamored" with legalization of drugs, and patting drug dealers on the back, tell us how the U.S. should be "effectively dealing with drugs"; or are you going to "run shrieking away"© and say how you would deal with it is irrelevant?
(neo-fascist . . . You sound like a living-in-the-past hippie describing a cop he thinks wants to take his joint from him!)