Non-Trump Republicans

[Vrede too]

There must be some organization of Republicans opposing Trump. CPAC perhaps?

Good idea! I don't know if CPAC is officially anti-Trump. However:

Free the Delegates is a SuperPAC dedicated to blocking and reversing Donald Trump's political ascent. We are an independent group, and are not authorized by any presidential candidate or candidate committee. Our focus is on using unconventional and cost-effective tactics, as opposed to stereotypical high-cost, limited-yield methods with the objective of providing maximum donor value.

Nope, got stuck in perpetual "Saving..." mode. Figures. You could try, maybe it's my browser.

Public Faith
A Christian Voice for the Common Good

Hi folks,

A friend and I have compiled the list below. Maybe it will help you in letting prominent Republicans not on the list know that they're not alone if they come out of the closet.

You can find the origin and citations for the list at:
http://www.blueridgedebate.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2437

Done. Not the best group for this, but it's a start. There's a Republicans for Hillary, but I can't access NSAbook.

Republicans for Her 2016

Done. Your foreign subversion of our democracy is launched.

Republicans still in the closet regarding supporting Hillary over Trump.

Wikipedia: It Gets Better Project

[Vrede too]

Cruz backs Trump after bitter primary

Republicans not voting for Donald Trump

- Charles and David Koch
- Harvard University’s Republican Club
- Princeton College Republicans
- George Washington University (my birth place, represent!) College Republicans
- over three thousand signatories to a Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania (Trump’s alma mater) student letter
- Colin Powell
- Dallas Morning News. Historically, the Morning News has tilted conservative, mirroring Texas' drift to the Republican Party. It has not endorsed a Democrat for president since Franklin D. Roosevelt during World War II.
- Jacob Monty, an attorney based in Houston, resigned from the Republican candidate’s National Hispanic Advisory Council
- Alfonso Aguilar, the president of the Latino Partnership for Conservative Principles
- Maybe half of Trump’s Hispanic advisory board
- Massey Villarreal, a businessman in Houston
- Some of Public Faith
- Regina Thomson, Colorado Republican activist
- Free the Delegates
- NOVA Digital Films, a Virginia-based firm that lists a slew of conservative candidates and organizations as clients, including the Republican Party of Virginia, Americans for Prosperity, the anti-abortion Susan B. Anthony List and former gubernatorial candidate Ken Cuccinelli
- Ted "vote your conscience" Cruz
- Glenn Beck
- Ann Coulter? Probably not.
- Barbara Bush, former first lady
- Jeb Bush, former Florida governor, 2016 presidential candidate
- William Cohen, former secretary of defense
- Jeff Flake, Arizona senator
- Lindsey Graham, South Carolina senator, 2016 presidential candidate
- Larry Hogan, Maryland governor
- John Kasich, Ohio governor, 2016 presidential candidate
- Mark Kirk, Illinois senator
- Mitt Romney, former Massachusetts governor, 2012 Republican presidential nominee
- Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Florida congresswoman
- Ben Sasse, Nebraska senator
- Mike Coffman, Republican congresswoman
- Charlie Dent, Pennsylvania congresswoman
- Vin Weber, former congresswoman, current GOP lobbyist
- Wadi Gaitan, prominent Latino official and chief spokesman for the Republican party in Florida
- Maine Senator Susan Collins (adjacent NH is a swing state)
- Kori Schake, served on President George W. Bush’s National Security Council and was an adviser to Arizona Sen. John McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign
- Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus, almost
- Joe Scarborough
- Evan McMullin, former CIA agent and Republican Congressional staff member, running as an independent
- Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, the most senior member of Florida’s congressional delegation
- Rep. Carlos Curbelo
- Ana Navarro, a GOP strategist and CNN contributor
- Philip Klein, the managing editor of the Washington Examiner
- Cheri Jacobus, GOP consultant and pundit
- Steve Deace, conservative fireband radio host
- Meghan McCain, daughter of 2008 Republican nominee John McCain
- Lachlan Markay, writer for the conservative website Washington Free Beacon
- Ryan Hart, worked on Capitol Hill for several Republican congressmen
- Erick Erickson, high-profile conservative writer and frequent cable news guest
- 50 Republican national security experts including:
--- Michael Hayden, former CIA director (Republican)
--- John Negroponte, first director of national intelligence and later deputy secretary of state
--- Robert B Zoellick, former deputy secretary of state
--- Tom Ridge, former secretary of homeland security
--- Michael Chertoff, former secretary of homeland security
- More than 120 prominent Republicans including three former Cabinet secretaries and six current or former members of Congress:
--- Virginia Rep. Scott Rigell
--- Wisconsin Rep. Reid Ribble
--- Former Sen. Gordon Humphrey of New Hampshire
--- Former Rep. Chris Shays of Connecticut
--- Former Rep. Tom Coleman of Missouri
--- Former Rep. Vin Weber of Minnesota
--- Andrew Weinstein, director of media relations for the Dole/Kemp presidential campaign and deputy press secretary to then-House Speaker Newt Gingrich
--- More than 20 former RNC staffers including:
------ Mindy Finn (former RNC chief digital strategist)
------ Christine Iverson Gunderson (former RNC press secretary)
------ Virginia Hume Onufer (former RNC deputy press secretary)
------ Beth Miller (former RNC field communications division director)
------ Heather Layman (former deputy press secretary)
------ B. Jay Cooper (former RNC communications director under four chairmen)
------ Patrick Ruffini (former RNC ecampaign director)

Republicans voting for Hillary Clinton

- Mike Fernandez, billionaire health-care magnate, major Republican donor from Florida and former Jeb Bush supporter
- George H.W. Bush
- Paul Wolfowitz, former deputy defence secretary, advisor to President George W. Bush
- Ricardo Reyes, former Deputy Assistant USTR for Public and Media Affairs, Media Surrogate for Bush/Cheney Presidential Campaign
- Charles Dunne, former Foreign Policy Adviser, former Director for Iraq, National Security Council
- Robert Manning, former Member of the Secretary of State's Office of Policy Planning
- Jennifer Sarver, former Bush Administration Official, former GOP Senate Staffer, former RNC Professional Volunteer
- Jim Magill, Chief Master Sergeant (ret.), US Air Force
- Mario Mangiameli, Captain US Marine Corps (Ret.) and former Counterterrorism & Law Enforcement Policy Advisor, US Department of Homeland Security
- Charles Badger, former Director of Coalitions for Jeb Bush 2016, former Director of Legislative Affairs (NJ-Department of Community Affairs, Christie Administration), former Hill staff
- David Meyers, former White House Assistant Staff Secretary and former Communications Advisor for the Senate Republican Leadership
- David Nierenberg, former Mitt Romney national finance chair
- Charles Fried, former Solicitor General
- Richard Painter, former Chief White House Ethics Lawyer
- Donna Barbisch, Major General (ret.) and former Director of Chemical and Biological Defense Program Integration
- Ken Adelman, former US Ambassador to the United Nations and former Arms Control Director
- Kurt Bardella, former advisor to Darrell Issa (R-CA) and former spokesman for Breitbart News
- Elizabeth Tamposi, former Assistant Secretary of State and former New Hampshire State Legislator
- Niki Christoff, former member of the policy staff of John McCain 2008
- James Clad, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Asia
- Patrick Cronin, former Assistant Administrator for Policy and Program Coordination, USAID
- James Filippatos, former Assistant Administrator for International Affairs, Federal Aviation Administration
- Jana Chapman Gates, former speechwriter, US Department of the Treasury
- Jean Geran, former member of the Secretary of State’s Office of Policy Planning
- Justin Kintz, former Special Assistant External Affairs, US Department of the Interior
- Frank Lavin, former White House Political Director, former US Ambassador to Singapore, former Under Secretary of Commerce for International Trade
- Phil Levy, former member of the Secretary of State’s Office of Policy Planning
- Peter Mansoor, Colonel, US Army (Ret.)
- Todd Moss, former Deputy Assistant Secretary, Bureau of African Affairs, US Department of State
- Andrew Sagor, former Special Assistant to the US Ambassador-at-Large for War Crimes Issues
- John Stubbs, former Senior Advisor USTR
- Colin Tooze, former Member of the Office of Rep. Chris Cox (R-CA)
- Dan Twining, former Member of the Secretary of State’s Office of Policy Planning
- John Veroneau, former Deputy USTR, former Assistant Secretary of Defense
- Davis White, former Member of the White House Office of Public Liaison
- James Glassman, served as the under secretary of state for public diplomacy and public affairs in the George W. Bush administration, voted for every Republican nominee for president since 1980
- Richard Armitage, former deputy secretary of state
- Hank Paulson, former treasury secretary
- Brent Scowcroft, former national security adviser
- Richard Hanna, New York congressman
- Meg Whitman, Republican finance official
- Adam Kinzinger, Illinois congressman
- Sally Bradshaw, GOP strategist
- Maria Comella, Chris Christie staffer
- Lezlee Westine, former aide to President George W Bush
- Carlos Gutierrez, the U.S. secretary of commerce under President George W. Bush and one of the highest-ranking Latino office holders ever
- conservative billionaire businessman and Gov. Jeb Bush backer Mike Fernandez
- Cindy Guerra, the former chair of Broward County, Florida’s Republican Executive Committee
- Ben Howe, contributing editor at conservative website Red State
- Mike Treiser, former staffer on Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign
- Mark Salter, former strategist for John McCain
- Joseph Shonkwiler, former Republican Senate staffer
- Some of the more than 120 prominent Republicans cited above
- Some of the 50 Republican national security experts cited above
- Some of Public Faith cited above
- Some of the con Hispanics cited above
- Some of the College Republicans cited above
- Some of the seventy-five former ambassadors voting for Hillary, including 57 appointed by Republican presidents, are Republicans
- Some of the 110 retired military officials voting for Hillary are Republicans

[rstrong]

- Ted "vote your conscience" Cruz

So being (in Cruz's words) a pathological liar, a narcissist, utterly amoral and having a real problem with women is OK after all. Attacking and smearing Cruz's wife is OK after all. Whatever you say, Ted. We'll take it under advisement.

[Vrede too]

Cruz likes to play the rebel, loses sometimes and much more often just caves in.

[rstrong]

USA Today: In red Utah, Mormons also line up for Clinton
BBC: US election 2016: Clinton gathers Republican endorsements

Republicans not voting for Donald Trump

- Charles and David Koch
- Harvard University’s Republican Club
- Princeton College Republicans
- George Washington University (my birth place, represent!) College Republicans
- over three thousand signatories to a Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania (Trump’s alma mater) student letter
- Colin Powell
- Dallas Morning News. Historically, the Morning News has tilted conservative, mirroring Texas' drift to the Republican Party. It has not endorsed a Democrat for president since Franklin D. Roosevelt during World War II.
- Jacob Monty, an attorney based in Houston, resigned from the Republican candidate’s National Hispanic Advisory Council
- Alfonso Aguilar, the president of the Latino Partnership for Conservative Principles
- Maybe half of Trump’s Hispanic advisory board
- Massey Villarreal, a businessman in Houston
- Some of Public Faith
- Regina Thomson, Colorado Republican activist
- Free the Delegates
- NOVA Digital Films, a Virginia-based firm that lists a slew of conservative candidates and organizations as clients, including the Republican Party of Virginia, Americans for Prosperity, the anti-abortion Susan B. Anthony List and former gubernatorial candidate Ken Cuccinelli
- Glenn Beck
- Ann Coulter? Probably not.
- Barbara Bush, former first lady
- Jeb Bush, former Florida governor, 2016 presidential candidate
- William Cohen, former secretary of defense
- Jeff Flake, Arizona senator
- Lindsey Graham, South Carolina senator, 2016 presidential candidate
- Larry Hogan, Maryland governor
- John Kasich, Ohio governor, 2016 presidential candidate
- Mark Kirk, Illinois senator
- Mitt Romney, former Massachusetts governor, 2012 Republican presidential nominee
- Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Florida congresswoman
- Ben Sasse, Nebraska senator
- Mike Coffman, Republican congresswoman
- Charlie Dent, Pennsylvania congresswoman
- Vin Weber, former congresswoman, current GOP lobbyist
- Wadi Gaitan, prominent Latino official and chief spokesman for the Republican party in Florida
- Maine Senator Susan Collins (adjacent NH is a swing state)
- Kori Schake, served on President George W. Bush’s National Security Council and was an adviser to Arizona Sen. John McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign
- Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus, almost
- Joe Scarborough
- Evan McMullin, former CIA agent and Republican Congressional staff member, running as an independent
- Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, the most senior member of Florida’s congressional delegation
- Rep. Carlos Curbelo
- Ana Navarro, a GOP strategist and CNN contributor
- Philip Klein, the managing editor of the Washington Examiner
- Cheri Jacobus, GOP consultant and pundit
- Steve Deace, conservative fireband radio host
- Meghan McCain, daughter of 2008 Republican nominee John McCain
- Lachlan Markay, writer for the conservative website Washington Free Beacon
- Ryan Hart, worked on Capitol Hill for several Republican congressmen
- Erick Erickson, high-profile conservative writer and frequent cable news guest
- 50 Republican national security experts including:
--- Michael Hayden, former CIA director (Republican)
--- John Negroponte, first director of national intelligence and later deputy secretary of state
--- Robert B Zoellick, former deputy secretary of state
--- Tom Ridge, former secretary of homeland security
--- Michael Chertoff, former secretary of homeland security
- More than 120 prominent Republicans including three former Cabinet secretaries and six current or former members of Congress:
--- Virginia Rep. Scott Rigell
--- Wisconsin Rep. Reid Ribble
--- Former Sen. Gordon Humphrey of New Hampshire
--- Former Rep. Chris Shays of Connecticut
--- Former Rep. Tom Coleman of Missouri
--- Former Rep. Vin Weber of Minnesota
--- Andrew Weinstein, director of media relations for the Dole/Kemp presidential campaign and deputy press secretary to then-House Speaker Newt Gingrich
--- More than 20 former RNC staffers including:
------ Mindy Finn (former RNC chief digital strategist)
------ Christine Iverson Gunderson (former RNC press secretary)
------ Virginia Hume Onufer (former RNC deputy press secretary)
------ Beth Miller (former RNC field communications division director)
------ Heather Layman (former deputy press secretary)
------ B. Jay Cooper (former RNC communications director under four chairmen)
------ Patrick Ruffini (former RNC ecampaign director)

Republicans voting for Hillary Clinton

- David Irvine, retired brigadier general and former Davis County, Utah, Republican Party chair
- John Warner, five-time Virginia senator, former Secretary of the Navy and Chairman of the Senate Committee on Armed Services
- The Arizona Republic newspaper, the first time it has supported a Democrat since its founding in 1890.
- The Houston Chronicle, conservative-leaning newspaper
- The Cincinnati Enquirer, conservative-leaning newspaper
- Larry Pressler, former governor and senator from South Dakota
- Arne Carlson, former Minnesota governor
- Mike Fernandez, billionaire health-care magnate, major Republican donor from Florida and former Jeb Bush supporter
- George H.W. Bush
- Paul Wolfowitz, former deputy defence secretary, advisor to President George W. Bush
- Ricardo Reyes, former Deputy Assistant USTR for Public and Media Affairs, Media Surrogate for Bush/Cheney Presidential Campaign
- Charles Dunne, former Foreign Policy Adviser, former Director for Iraq, National Security Council
- Robert Manning, former Member of the Secretary of State's Office of Policy Planning
- Jennifer Sarver, former Bush Administration Official, former GOP Senate Staffer, former RNC Professional Volunteer
- Jim Magill, Chief Master Sergeant (ret.), US Air Force
- Mario Mangiameli, Captain US Marine Corps (Ret.) and former Counterterrorism & Law Enforcement Policy Advisor, US Department of Homeland Security
- Charles Badger, former Director of Coalitions for Jeb Bush 2016, former Director of Legislative Affairs (NJ-Department of Community Affairs, Christie Administration), former Hill staff
- David Meyers, former White House Assistant Staff Secretary and former Communications Advisor for the Senate Republican Leadership
- David Nierenberg, former Mitt Romney national finance chair
- Charles Fried, former Solicitor General
- Richard Painter, former Chief White House Ethics Lawyer
- Donna Barbisch, Major General (ret.) and former Director of Chemical and Biological Defense Program Integration
- Ken Adelman, former US Ambassador to the United Nations and former Arms Control Director
- Kurt Bardella, former advisor to Darrell Issa (R-CA) and former spokesman for Breitbart News
- Elizabeth Tamposi, former Assistant Secretary of State and former New Hampshire State Legislator
- Niki Christoff, former member of the policy staff of John McCain 2008
- James Clad, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Asia
- Patrick Cronin, former Assistant Administrator for Policy and Program Coordination, USAID
- James Filippatos, former Assistant Administrator for International Affairs, Federal Aviation Administration
- Jana Chapman Gates, former speechwriter, US Department of the Treasury
- Jean Geran, former member of the Secretary of State’s Office of Policy Planning
- Justin Kintz, former Special Assistant External Affairs, US Department of the Interior
- Frank Lavin, former White House Political Director, former US Ambassador to Singapore, former Under Secretary of Commerce for International Trade
- Phil Levy, former member of the Secretary of State’s Office of Policy Planning
- Peter Mansoor, Colonel, US Army (Ret.)
- Todd Moss, former Deputy Assistant Secretary, Bureau of African Affairs, US Department of State
- Andrew Sagor, former Special Assistant to the US Ambassador-at-Large for War Crimes Issues
- John Stubbs, former Senior Advisor USTR
- Colin Tooze, former Member of the Office of Rep. Chris Cox (R-CA)
- Dan Twining, former Member of the Secretary of State’s Office of Policy Planning
- John Veroneau, former Deputy USTR, former Assistant Secretary of Defense
- Davis White, former Member of the White House Office of Public Liaison
- James Glassman, served as the under secretary of state for public diplomacy and public affairs in the George W. Bush administration, voted for every Republican nominee for president since 1980
- Richard Armitage, former deputy secretary of state
- Hank Paulson, former treasury secretary
- Brent Scowcroft, former national security adviser
- Richard Hanna, New York congressman
- Meg Whitman, Republican finance official
- Adam Kinzinger, Illinois congressman
- Sally Bradshaw, GOP strategist
- Maria Comella, Chris Christie staffer
- Lezlee Westine, former aide to President George W Bush
- Carlos Gutierrez, the U.S. secretary of commerce under President George W. Bush and one of the highest-ranking Latino office holders ever
- conservative billionaire businessman and Gov. Jeb Bush backer Mike Fernandez
- Cindy Guerra, the former chair of Broward County, Florida’s Republican Executive Committee
- Ben Howe, contributing editor at conservative website Red State
- Mike Treiser, former staffer on Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign
- Mark Salter, former strategist for John McCain
- Joseph Shonkwiler, former Republican Senate staffer
- Some of the more than 120 prominent Republicans cited above
- Some of the 50 Republican national security experts cited above
- Some of Public Faith cited above
- Some of the con Hispanics cited above
- Some of the College Republicans cited above
- Some of the seventy-five former ambassadors voting for Hillary, including 57 appointed by Republican presidents, are Republicans
- Some of the 110 retired military officials voting for Hillary are Republicans

[Vrede too]

There must be some organization of Republicans opposing Trump. CPAC perhaps?

...

Free the Delegates is a SuperPAC dedicated to blocking and reversing Donald Trump's political ascent. We are an independent group, and are not authorized by any presidential candidate or candidate committee. Our focus is on using unconventional and cost-effective tactics, as opposed to stereotypical high-cost, limited-yield methods with the objective of providing maximum donor value.

Nope, got stuck in perpetual "Saving..." mode. Figures. You could try, maybe it's my browser.

Public Faith
A Christian Voice for the Common Good

Hi folks,

A friend and I have compiled the list below. Maybe it will help you in letting prominent Republicans not on the list know that they're not alone if they come out of the closet.

You can find the origin and citations for the list at:
http://www.blueridgedebate.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2437

Done. Not the best group for this, but it's a start. There's a Republicans for Hillary, but I can't access NSAbook

Republicans for Her 2016

Done. Your foreign subversion of our democracy is launched....

1 week. I haven't heard back from them or from the Hillary campaign, probably never will.

US paper facing threats for endorsing Hillary Clinton

Awww, sounds like the Trumpettes are pretty butthurt over it.

[Vrede too]

Do not vote for 'demagogue' Trump, USA Today tells its readers

Branding Donald Trump a "dangerous demagogue," USA Today on Thursday urged its readers not to vote for the Republican presidential candidate, but added that it was not endorsing his Democratic rival Hillary Clinton either.

The national newspaper said in an editorial that it had never taken sides in U.S. presidential elections in its 34-year history, but was abandoning the practice because the New York real estate developer was unfit for the presidency....

USA Today, published by Gannett Co Inc, said its editorial board was divided on Clinton, and some of the reservations about the former secretary of state centered on her "sense of entitlement, her lack of candor and her extreme carelessness in handling classified information."

Urging voters to stay true to their convictions, USA Today said: "Whatever you do, however, resist the siren song of a dangerous demagogue. By all means vote, just not for Donald Trump."

USA TODAY's Editorial Board

USA TODAY's Editorial Board, which forms the opinions expressed in USA TODAY's editorials, is the staff of the newspaper's opinion section. Its members are selected by USA TODAY's editorial page editor with a goal of reflecting the diversity of the nation's conversation. The board operates by consensus and reaches its opinions independently from any other part of USA TODAY or its parent company, Gannett. It is not aligned with either political party and, since the newspaper's founding in 1982, has never endorsed any political candidate....

I'm not adding them to the list, but it seems likely that some of USA TODAY's Editorial Board are Republicans that are not voting for Donald Trump or are even voting for Hillary Clinton.

[O Really]

Wimps. Not that I disagree with their comments, but they're arguably the #1 newspaper in the USA, ferpetesake. They owe readers more than that. How about comments on the alternatives and a real endorsement? Do they think a vote for Hillary, Limp Johnson, Stein, or abstention is all the same? It's not that they (or any other voter) has to actually like or enthusiastically support a given candidate, but these four are all we've got. If it's "please don't vote for Trump" then do they think the other three are equal? Puh-leeze.

[Vrede too]

It looks like USA TODAY's Editorial Board has 9 members, and they say that they operate by consensus. So, only one member opting for Johnson, Stein or abstention would have blocked a Hillary endorsement. I'm satisfied and impressed that they agree on opposing Trump, especially after 34 years of zero endorsements. There may be "comments on the alternatives" in other editorials, I don't know.

[O Really]

Maybe, but I didn't think "consensus" meant "unanimous."
But my point is that they don't have to say "Hillary is great and we love her." All they have to do is continue from their Trump-bash to say that of the remaining 3 candidates, one of them will be President and of those three, one doesn't know where Allepo is or can name a foreign leader, another has never managed to win any election other than a small-town council seat (589 votes), and the remaining one has been First Lady, NY Senator, and Secretary of State. Pick one.

[Seth Milner]

Some folks have got waaaayyyy too much time on their hands.
It's hilarious to see rstrong and Vrede trying to be smarter than the other!

[Vrede too]

Maybe, but I didn't think "consensus" meant "unanimous."

There are different versions, but usually it means that one person can block a majority decision if they have strong and sincere reservations. Some versions make it more than just one person.

But my point is that they don't have to say "Hillary is great and we love her." All they have to do is continue from their Trump-bash to say that of the remaining 3 candidates, one of them will be President and of those three, one doesn't know where Allepo is or can name a foreign leader, another has never managed to win any election other than a small-town council seat (589 votes), and the remaining one has been First Lady, NY Senator, and Secretary of State. Pick one.

Have you checked to see whether they've done some of that in other editorials? This one was about Trump.

There are reasons to vote for Johnson or Stein other than thinking either might actually become POTUS and no editorial board is every going to say "Don't vote" even if it's so disgusted that it won't.

[Vrede too]

Some folks have got waaaayyyy too much time on their hands.

Agreed - I opened this infantile and idiotic post of yours.

It's hilarious to see rstrong and Vrede trying to be smarter than the other!

We're collaborating here, have been doing so for this entire thread, and we're doing it with investigative research and citation, something you consistently can't manage even the basics of. Butthurt and whiny Seth Milner fails comprehension, again. Hilarious.

[O Really]

There are reasons to vote for Johnson or Stein other than thinking either might actually become POTUS and no editorial board is every going to say "Don't vote" even if it's so disgusted that it won't.[/color]

[/quote]
Well sure, if you feel like going to stand in line to buy a beer and then pouring it out.

[Vrede too]

That's true for every losing candidate. If Trump wins, your vote for Hillary will be spilled beer.

[O Really]

Yes, there is a bit of a conundrum there. I agree in general with former member Vox who insisted that one vote never matters. But large groups of votes do - or can if a race is relatively close. To be sure, a Hillary vote in Alabama is as worthless as a Stein vote (or an empty stein for that matter), but if one lives anywhere a race is close, a few votes can matter and "protest" or alt-voting can have unintended consequences (can't it, Mr. Nader?)

[rstrong]

In other democracies a vote for a third party or "fringe" candidate isn't a waste.

In Canada the left-wing NDP has never won a federal election, and only once won second place as the official opposition. And yet they've had a MAJOR influence on Canadian policy. They popularize the ideas that the main parties choose to ignore. When one of their policies shows signs of popularity, the other parties adopt it. Our health care system originated with the NDP and was adopted by the Conservatives.

And then there's the right-wing Reform Party, which split off from the Conservative Party over "establishment" complaints that American Republicans would find very familiar. A few successful years later they absorbed the remainder of the Conservative Party, renamed themselves the Conservative Party of Canada - keeping the Reform Party leadership - and ran Canada for most of the last decade.

Having said that, the NDP and Reform parties had competent, credible leadership with experience as Members of Parliament or elected positions in Provincial politics. Too bad about Johnson and Stein. But the idea that a party "can't possibly win" is only ever true for one election. Give 'em a few votes, and they become more credible in the next one. And often they attract better leaders.

[Vrede too]

Sadly, we don't have a parliamentary system. This is a major reason we have a Corporatocracy. Both parties have been bought off and there's no electoral breathing space for anti-corporatists.

Nader's effect is disputed:

... Defenders of Nader, including Dan Perkins, argued that the margin in Florida was small enough that Democrats could blame any number of third-party candidates for the defeat, including Workers World Party candidate Monica Moorehead, who received 1,500 votes....

Democratic party strategist and Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) chair Al From expressed a different view. In the January 24, 2001, issue of the DLC's Blueprint magazine, he wrote, "I think they're wrong on all counts. The assertion that Nader's marginal vote hurt Gore is not borne out by polling data. When exit pollers asked voters how they would have voted in a two-way race, Bush actually won by a point. That was better than he did with Nader in the race."

Nationally, Hillary's lead is the same +2.9% whether it's a 2-Way race or a 4-Way race.

In North Carolina, Trump vs. Clinton has Trump up by 0.3% and Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson (Stein isn't on our ballot) has Trump up by 0.8%, minimal impact. If the electoral count is close nationally, I suspect many 3rd party voters will hold their noses and choose either Trump or Clinton. If the electoral count is close nationally and it remains close in NC, I'll hold my nose and vote Clinton. If not, once Hillary proves to be right of Obama's GOP-lite, I'll sport my "Don't Blame Me" bumper sticker proudly.

[rstrong]

The board operates by consensu and reaches its opinions independently from any other part of USA TODAY or its parent company, Gannett. It is not aligned with either political party and, since the newspaper's founding in 1982, has never endorsed any political candidate....

It has however issued a non-endorsement once before: White supremacist David Duke, running for governor of Louisiana in 1991.

Not that there's any connection...

[Vrede too]

Dang, you proved that you're smarter than me.

Or, the difference is irrelevant and Seth Milner is an idiot.