Romney Pays Dearly for Making the Fatal Mistake of Lying

[mike]

Romney Pays Dearly for Making the Fatal Mistake of Lying about Corporations

The Denver Post joined the line up of papers attacking Mitt Romney’s blatant dishonesty in the ad where he claims that Jeep is moving jobs to China and the radio ad in which the Republican candidate claims Obama saved GM for the Chinese. There’s an entire line up of papers that have taken a hard line against Romney’s Jeep and GM lies. ...

... The Denver Post begins with, “Nothing smells like desperation more than the falsehoods and half-truths coming out of the Romney campaign about Chrysler purportedly moving Jeep manufacturing jobs to China. The episode has been shameful.” And it gets worse. They denounce Romney for his refusal to let facts get in the way and call him out on basically not liking that Obama was making inroads in Ohio because of his auto bailout, “But why let the facts get in the way when you can exploit a poorly written news story for political gain in a must-win state?” ...

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[Tertius]

You are the lier. Here is the article printed by Bloomberg.



Bloomberg (a Democrat)

Fiat Says Jeep Output May Return to China as Demand Rises
By Craig Trudell - Oct 22, 2012 11:10 AM ET

Fiat SpA (F), majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, plans to return Jeep output to China and may eventually make all of its models in that country, according to the head of both automakers’ operations in the region.

Fiat is in “very detailed conversations” with its Chinese partner, Guangzhou Automobile Group Co. (2238), about making Jeeps in the world’s largest auto market, said Mike Manley, chief operating officer of Fiat and Chrysler in Asia. Chrysler hasn’t built Jeeps there since before Fiat took control in 2009.

“The volume opportunity for us is very significant,” Manley, who is also president of the Jeep brand, said in an interview at Chrysler’s Auburn Hills, Michigan, headquarters. “We’re reviewing the opportunities within existing capacity” as well as “should we be localizing the entire Jeep portfolio or some of the Jeep portfolio.”

Chrysler, which entered an alliance with Turin, Italy-based Fiat as part of its U.S. government-backed bankruptcy, is relying on growth in China to counter weakness in Europe’s auto market. The automaker is targeting 500,000 annual sales outside North America by 2014, more than triple its overseas deliveries in 2009.

Chrysler currently builds all Jeep SUV models at plants in Michigan, Illinois and Ohio. Manley referred to adding Jeep production sites rather than shifting output from North America to China.

Asia’s Strength
International sales for Chrysler climbed 22 percent to 153,154 this year through September, according to the company. The Jeep brand accounted for more than three of every four of those deliveries, with sales surging 54 percent to 117,189.

“We’ve grown much stronger in Asia to make up or compensate for some of the difficulties in Europe,” Manley said. Europe will be in “very difficult, tough times” through at least 2013, he said.

Boosted by strong demand for the Grand Cherokee and Compass sport-utility vehicles, Jeep sales in China have more than doubled to 33,463 this year through September. The brand topped total deliveries for all of 2011 by July of this year.

Chrysler’s 2014 international sales target is “certainly within reach,” Manley said. The European auto market is on track to plunge in 2012 by the most in 19 years, according to the European Automobile Manufacturers’ Association.
“Given what we see around the world, it is stretching for sure, but it’s not something we’ve given up on,” he said.

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To contact the reporters on this story: Craig Trudell in Southfield, Michigan, at ctrudell1@bloomberg.net.

[mike]

Yeah, we know the article to which the other news outlets refer.

Your re-posting of it only verifies it was poorly written and it's not surprising the inaccurate inferences therein were swallowed whole by the likes of you and your ilk.

Interesting the very subjects referenced in the article have come out to mention it's a bunch of hooey.

I know you'll never get it.

[Guest]

Yeah, we know the article to which the other news outlets refer.

Your re-posting of it only verifies it was poorly written and it's not surprising the inaccurate inferences therein were swallowed whole by the likes of you and your ilk.

Interesting the very subjects referenced in the article have come out to mention it's a bunch of hooey.

I know you'll never get it.

mike's link is to a liberal website called "Politicus-usa" which bills itself as "real liberal politics".

Tertius' post obviously comes from Bloomberg, but there is no link to verify who wrote the piece.

Mike is a liberal, so naturally his information from a liberal site is the 'gosh-honest' truth.
Tertius is a conservative who believes that the information found in a conservative article is also the 'gosh-honest' truth.

So mike, instead of addressing the differences in a debate fashion, launches into an attack on "the inaccurate inferences therein
that were swallowed whole by the likes of you and your ilk".

So my question is, since I don't claim to be a liberal nor conservative, which of the articles is the 'gosh-honest' truth?

[mike]

So my question is, since I don't claim to be a liberal nor conservative, which of the articles is the 'gosh-honest' truth?

I'd go with the corporations mentioned in the article who are setting the record straight over the liar Romney and his crew.

My link to an article referenced many other articles (or did you miss that?).

http://www.freep.com/article/20121031/N ... y-is-wrong

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2012 ... z2Aow6nNXZ

http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/19281

http://www.vindy.com/news/2012/oct/31/a ... utomakers/

http://www.toledoblade.com/Automotive/2 ... egacy.html

http://www.denverpost.com/romney/ci_218 ... ruth-jeeps

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/ ... 5X20121030

[Guest]

I'd go with the corporations mentioned in the article who are setting the record straight over the liar Romney and his crew.

No thanks, I'm not that interested. Why should I think/believe that Romney is any bigger a liar than Obama? Or that Ryan is any bigger an idiot than Biden? Even if I were going to vote Democratic, that idiot Biden wouldn't get my vote. Joe Biden has got to be the biggest clown to ever stand in a debate, regardless how he fared. I hope you noted that.

[mike]

I hope you noted that.

Duly noted. I forget little ... we'll see where this goes, eh, Guest?

[Stinger]

I'd go with the corporations mentioned in the article who are setting the record straight over the liar Romney and his crew.

No thanks, I'm not that interested. Why should I think/believe that Romney is any bigger a liar than Obama? Or that Ryan is any bigger an idiot than Biden? Even if I were going to vote Democratic, that idiot Biden wouldn't get my vote. Joe Biden has got to be the biggest clown to ever stand in a debate, regardless how he fared. I hope you noted that.

Ignore the facts. Believe what you want to believe. Say something stupid and irrelevant about Biden.

Sounds like something Butt Ugly would do. You're in dim company.

[Stinger]

So mike, instead of addressing the differences in a debate fashion, launches into an attack on "the inaccurate inferences therein that were swallowed whole by the likes of you and your ilk".

So, Guest, instead of reading the article and understanding that Mike was right about the inferences, blames Mike for being right about the inferences.

So my question is, since I don't claim to be a liberal nor conservative, which of the articles is the 'gosh-honest' truth?

The horse's mouth.

[bannination]

Mitt Romney
Romney likens hurricane relief to cleaning up "rubbish and paper products" from a football field. Is he joking?
salon.com ·
Tweeted by
Roger Ebert

Nope.
0:-?>

[Reality]

TT is correct. Mike and Stinger just won't accept it.

Glad to see the outcome of this election is shaping up to be a contest of who, supposedly, lies the most/least when the many threads on politics that occur on this forum have essentially agreed, both sides, that all politicians lie. Hey, I voted for a liar last week. Did you or are you going to if you haven't voted yet? So why do we do that?

I'm thinkin the guy I voted for is not a lair and you probably think the same. So maybe their not liars after all.

PBO, did you vote for a liar also?

[neoplacebo]

Hell, no, not me. I was holding out to vote for someone who violates every one of the ten commandments; not just one of them.

[Guest]

So mike, instead of addressing the differences in a debate fashion, launches into an attack on "the inaccurate inferences therein that were swallowed whole by the likes of you and your ilk".

So, Guest, instead of reading the article and understanding that Mike was right about the inferences, blames Mike for being right about the inferences.

So my question is, since I don't claim to be a liberal nor conservative, which of the articles is the 'gosh-honest' truth?

The horse's mouth.

I can accept that, and thank you.

The point in my saying what I did was that mike could have presented his 'facts' in a manner to debate or argue the issue. Instead he went right into attack mode referrng to Tertius as "the likes of you and your ilk".

Is this all these forums are about? Attack character, curse, and call names?

I'm not whining, I'm asking.

[Guest]

So mike, instead of addressing the differences in a debate fashion, launches into an attack on "the inaccurate inferences therein that were swallowed whole by the likes of you and your ilk".

So, Guest, instead of reading the article and understanding that Mike was right about the inferences, blames Mike for being right about the inferences.

So my question is, since I don't claim to be a liberal nor conservative, which of the articles is the 'gosh-honest' truth?

The horse's mouth.

I can accept that, and thank you.

The point in my saying what I did was that mike could have presented his 'facts' in a manner to debate or argue the issue. Instead he went right into attack mode referrng to Tertius as "the likes of you and your ilk".

Is this all these forums are about? Attack character, curse, and call names?

I'm not whining, I'm asking.

[Tertius]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-2 ... limbs.html


Fiat owns Jeep for all practical purposes. Fiat is an Italian company. One they will look out for the bottom line. Two they will look out for Italy. Three they will try to keep US labor quiet.

One equals production in China for expansion. Two they will try to do right by the home country to meet European demand. Three they will build in the US as long as quality holds up. Union autoworkers have always produced low quality.

[Colonel Taylor]

So who is Lying Jeeps President?

Jeep's president said the automaker plans to restore Jeep production in China, suspended in 2009, and is considering making all Jeeps in China.

Bloomberg, in a statement to The Associated Press, said neither the original story nor the update was inaccurate.

OR

Sergio?

[Colonel Taylor]

Let's see - one Bloomberg article vs. dispute from multiple sources including Chrysler, itself. Hmmm...

It's funny how Ragin Rebel, Howard Gap, nobody/Tertius, ("Reality") and Colonel Taylor believe the MSM when it suits them, and how nobody/Tertius supports the proven liar, Ragin Rebel.

Keep dodging there vred, SO which official Lied?

[Colonel Taylor]

No dodging here. I lean towards believing the multiple sources, including Chrysler, you lean towards believing a single MSM source because it fits your agenda.

Vred just never answers a questions. Run vred run.
One of them is lying which one.

[nobody]

There is no question. Jeep intends on selling more Jeeps. When sales increase in Asia, Fiat will make Jeeps in China.
When sales increase in Europe they will male Jeeps in Europe. The US market will be supplied by US plants.

I just saw the CEO of Jeep say as much.

The Romney ad said as much. No lie. Obama keeps lying and saying the truth is a lie. This has caught up with them and they are losing votes everyday because if it.

We see the same thing happening here by the South African Stinger.

[Colonel Taylor]

Mitt Romney
Romney likens hurricane relief to cleaning up "rubbish and paper products" from a football field. Is he joking?
salon.com ·
Tweeted by
Roger Ebert

Nope.
0:-?>

Banni your desperation is showing pretty bad. Do you know when this was said? It is taken out of context right? It was from a 2006 op-ed. So show us your link to this statement since you are implying it was this week. We'll wait.