2016 Elections

[rstrong]

One thing that seems to have blindsided Hillary is Republicans' 180 degree turn on divorce.

A decade ago if she had divorced Bill, Republicans would have constantly attacked her on it. They were the party of "Family values."

But since then Republicans have flocked to divorcees like McCain and serial divorcees / serial cheaters like Gingrich, Guiliani and now Trump. Upgrading to younger spouse every few years is now a Family Value. And so now Republicans attack Hillary for NOT divorcing.

One can only imagine an alternate timeline where Hillary figured this out, divorced Bill, divorced the Democratic Party, and ran as a Republican in 2016. Her policies and practices are already Republican.

Between her qualifications and competence she would have been the Republicans Party's best hope against Trump. Even Hillary is far more likable than Cruz. Mr.B and the rest of the "thinking is evil" crowd would instead be singing her praises.

[Mr.B]

"Mr.B and the rest..."

You and Vrede sure are obsessed with me. Envy and jealousy is not good for you.

[Vrede too]

The polls could be getting messed up by:
-- Cons that won't admit out loud that they're voting for Hillary.
-- Independents that won't admit out loud that they're voting for Trump.
-- People that won't admit out loud that they're too disgusted to vote for POTUS.

I doubt they'll cancel each other out, but don't know which way the swing will be.

... I could see some Trump voters lying out of shame, the ones with some conscience left, even if there's no realistic way it could come back at them.

The 'failure' of election polling was about 3 key things

... 1. Polls did not fully account for the Shy Trump Voter

One of the biggest theories as to what the polls missed was the idea of “shy Trump voters” who didn’t want to say when polled that they were planning to vote for Trump, but always knew. Check.

White women, in particular, proved to be a surprise: 53% of them voted for Trump overall, led by those without a college degree, who went for Trump by a 2-1 margin. White women with a college degree went for Clinton, but only barely, by six percentage points. “There’s your shy Trump vote,” tweeted Kristen Soltis Anderson, a pollster at Echelon Insights.

Anderson later added that a bigger problem than secret Trump voters was “a phony mirage of a Clinton vote.” Trump got fewer votes than McCain did in 2008 and Romney did in 2012 and won anyway, because too many Democrats didn’t vote. Check.

Indeed, polling also fails to account for turnout, which was the lowest overall it has been since 2000. (Latino turnout was up from 2012 and skewed toward Clinton, but not by enough to beat Trump.) All non-white ethnic groups went for Clinton, as did millennials—but not enough of them voted.

As Harvard Business Review points out, “People tend to say they’re going to vote even when they won’t… the failure of a complex likely voter model is why Gallup got out of the election forecasting business.”

Sometimes I hate being correct.

[rstrong]

"Mr.B and the rest..."

You and Vrede sure are obsessed with me. Envy and jealousy is not good for you.

Whether your claim is true or not, my claim is accurate.

[Vrede too]

If I was obsessed and had any "Envy and jealousy" for pitiful bigots like you, you wouldn't still be on ignore. You've screwed up, again, and you're merely projecting your own stalker obsession.

[Vrede too]

Sometimes I hate being correct.

Not only about the polls at the end, but also for 2 years about what a mistake it was to nominate a candidate as tainted, conservative and uninspiring as Hillary.

[Mr.B]

"Sometimes I hate being correct."

"Whether your claim is true or not, my claim is accurate."

Re past comments; I rest my case.

"If I was obsessed and had any "Envy and jealousy" for pitiful bigots like you, you wouldn't still be on ignore. You've screwed up, again, and you're merely projecting your own stalker obsession."

Vrede, I'm not concerned with, nor do I care if you or anyone else ignores me. If I was that butthurt over being ignored, I wouldn't have began posting again; not that I really intend hanging around ... If you want to pout from now on and accuse me of bigotry because of my religious beliefs, then have at it; you're not making me cry in my beer. As far as my "stalker obsession" you referred to, my discovering you was of your own doing; you brought it upon yourself.

I do have some earth-shattering news for you though ----
The earth revolves around the sun; it doesn't revolve around you. :sunny:

[Vrede too]

Poor McCrory, losing to a Dem is bad enough but he also did worse than both Burr and Trump. That's gotta be humiliating.

[Vrede too]

The one scenario that could still get Hillary into the White House

Ain't gonna happen, but I hope folks campaign for it so we can watch the Trumpettes freak out.

[Mr.B]

"Congratulations to Mr.B. on the Christian Values candidate's win."

"Thanks."

"Also, my condolences for Joe Arpaio's loss."

A little school-boy-like taunting? Joe Arpaio is no concern of mine; sorry he caused you to have your drawers in your crack over the years though.

[bannination]

What a coincidence, Joe Arpaio is no concern of mine anymore either!

[Mr.B]

"What a coincidence, Joe Arpaio is no concern of mine anymore either!"

Your butt feel any better now?

[billy.pilgrim]

https://www.change.org/p/electoral-coll ... ecember-19

To paraphrase the orange man.

Why not sign

[Mr.B]

https://www.change.org/p/electoral-coll ... ecember-19

To paraphrase the orange man.

Why not sign

Although puzzling, I understand the Electoral Colege thing, but you wonder why people don't bother to vote.
After reading this article (and a few others) why SHOULD people bother to vote, when their choices can be changed?

[Vrede too]

The North Carolina governor’s race still isn’t over. And it’s about to get even uglier.

[billy.pilgrim]

https://www.change.org/p/electoral-coll ... ecember-19

To paraphrase the orange man.

Why not sign

Although puzzling, I understand the Electoral Colege thing, but you wonder why people don't bother to vote.
After reading this article (and a few others) why SHOULD people bother to vote, when their choices can be changed?

The people?
Really?

My guess is that you loved it when the majority of the people voted for Hillary, but thumper is the president elect.

So what part of the majority do you fail to understand

[Mr.B]

"My guess is that you loved it when the majority of the people voted for Hillary, but thumper is the president elect."
Wrong guess. Elections are not my top priority in life; I only get one vote, so the chips fell where they fell.
In my opinion, neither was a favorable choice; so I'd have to say that the "people have spoken" regardless whether you or I liked the outcome.

[Vrede too]

I signed (along with 2,271,668 others so far) just "so we can watch the Trumpettes freak out", but the article I posted above makes clear that rogue conscientious electors are "exceedingly rare", are illegal (votes don't count, they get replaced) in 29 states, and they've never made a difference to an election.

I don't have an opinion on whether we should have an Electoral College or not. I understand the philosophic arguments on both sides, but would need a comprehensive comparative analysis of the real world effects on campaigns and elections in order to choose.

[Mr.B]

"A week ago the Democratic Party insisted that everyone accept the legitimacy of the election.
What we are seeing today is that much of the left think that, like so many other things, it is a one way street."
Erick Erickson

Anti-Trump protests: Left freaks out with hysterics, temper tantrums (and destruction) after a fair election.

[Vrede too]

NC and FL are among the states where "rogue conscientious electors ... are illegal (votes don't count, they get replaced)". SC is not.
http://nypost.com/2016/11/10/electoral- ... r-clinton/

"The Electoral College is a disaster for a democracy."
-- Donald Trump, Nov. 2012

Dang, he's clairvoyant.