The LEO thread

[O Really]

Unfortunately, the whole issue of improving firearm (and people) safety will be moot for at least four years. I wouldn't be surprised to see a federal law prohibiting states from imposing any restrictions, including on concealed carry. Notice how the news cycle of any shooting has gotten shorter and shorter. Cops shooting unarmed black people still gets some coverage, but shootings in/around schools and businesses is starting to be ho-hummed like fracking earthquakes in Oklahoma.

[Vrede too]

Unfortunately, the whole issue of improving firearm (and people) safety will be moot for at least four years.

Some states just did, 3 out of 4 I think.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a federal law prohibiting states from imposing any restrictions, including on concealed carry....

Can the feds do that?

[O Really]

Can the feds do that?

Good question. I'm thinking that since almost all legislation/regulation on firearms incurs some Second Amendment connection, that they could certainly try. The NRA is already thinking they're going to get to advance their craziness and have already started a (different) scare campaign. Without a President who would predictably veto such a bill, I think it's certainly something somebody might bring up. Might get beat down in court, though.

I should have been more careful what I asked for when I was supporting uniform federal laws on firearms instead of the state patchwork or chaos. Might get it.

[Vrede too]

i wasn't going to mention that.

[Mr.B]

"Of course, I would have to pretend I'm a dishonest moron like Mr.B...."
You don't have to pretend Vrede; you're doing a great job! You go boy!
Aww gee whiz! Does this mean you don't like Dr. Vrede's butthurt cream meme I went to the trouble to find for you?

"The whiny and inaccurate "correct" answer."
"Whiny"...this is what I meant about Vrede holding gun owners in disdain.
According to him, concealed carriers and/or gun "huggers" in general are a whiny and cowardly lot.
(pardon my cowardly commandment-level sinful lie®)

[O Really]

"Whiny"...this is what I meant about Vrede holding gun owners in disdain.
According to him, concealed carriers and/or gun "huggers" in general are a whiny and cowardly lot.

Adverbs can be remarkably helpful in writing accurately. For example, if we insert "some" in front of "gun owners" and also in front of "concealed," then we are pretty close. We might also want to consider that not all concealed carriers are "gun huggers" nor has Vrede ever said so. On the other hand, many gun, ummm, "enthusiasts" do whine a lot about perceived loss of their "rights" and IMNVHO a person without any known threat who goes armed to the grocery has at best a serious self-image issue which could be cowardice. I generally do pretty well by reading what is written and not spending much effort in inferring that which was not implied.

[Vrede too]

... We might also want to consider that not all concealed carriers are "gun huggers" nor has Vrede ever said so.

True, thanks, nor are they all "ammosexuals".

On the other hand, many gun, ummm, "enthusiasts" do whine a lot about perceived loss of their "rights" and IMNVHO a person without any known threat who goes armed to the grocery has at best a serious self-image issue which could be cowardice.

Agreed. I wonder if hater of small business owners' private property rights, nascarfan88, still lurks here.

I generally do pretty well by reading what is written and not spending much effort in inferring that which was not implied.

Mr.B's cowardly strategy in avoiding what is written is different.

Poor widdle perpetual victim and terrified of home intruders Mr.B whining about things I've never said, posted or believed:

It's clear that Vrede holds any gun-ownership in disdain.

It's clear that dishonest and whiny Mr.B makes shit up when he doesn't have the balls to face proven facts about gun ownership.

Drawing from my experience in taking the CCP course, I have to disagree with Vrede's past assessment that anyone can walk in and get a permit.

Drawing from our experience with Mr.B, he makes shit up about me when he doesn't have the balls to face proven facts about gun ownership....

One other thing I know - Mr.B will be too cowardly to be accountable for his Commandment-level sinful lies.

For example... http://www.gunthorp.com/classes_permit_written_test.htm

But hey, you have to shoot 50 rounds at a target 5 yards, too.

Bet I would ace it without ever having studied. Of course, I would have to pretend I'm a dishonest moron like Mr.B on a couple in order to do so.

10. If you shoot someone, which of the following might you expect?

a. To withhold any statements without your attorney present.
Ummm, that's a usually wise choice, not an expectation.

b. To undergo a criminal investigation and/or costly trial.
Not necessarily.

c. To be the defendant in a ruinous civil suit.
Not necessarily.

d. All of the above, but you will be alive.
The whiny and inaccurate "correct" answer, and you won't necessarily be alive.

Of course that's whining since it's painting anyone that shoots someone else as an automatic victim of the system.

12. Which statement best describes criminal and predator behavior?

a. They won't hurt you if you don't give them a reason to.
Depends on the criminal and crime, duh.

b. When guns are banned for the law abiding,
Never going to happen, crybabies.
they will turn theirs in.
Fewer guns and/or stricter regulation consistently leads to less violence in homes, states and comparable nations.

c. They come to this class to get their permits, just like you do.
True, except for those already convicted of felonies and violent misdemeanors. Why carry concealed illegally when it's so freaking easy to carry concealed legally?

d. None of the above.
The whiny and inaccurate "correct" answer.

Of course that's whining since it's fear mongering about "criminal and predator" and guns will never be banned for the law abiding.

In each case I cited the whining I was referring to. As he's done for years when someone attacks his specific bigotry that's only shared by a pathetic minority of hateful Christians and Mr.B then whines like a toddler that all of Christianity is being attacked, Mr.B hilariously just proved my point about how whiny gunhuggers like him, not gun owners, are. Thanks!

[Mr.B]

What if McNight had been white and the shooter black?

[O Really]

What if McNight had been white and the shooter black?

What if? Not every white/black violent incident is racially based, and nobody claims they are. Most are ignored by all. But the ones that create an uproar, particularly where a white cop shoots a black guy, have some pretty clear indication that there's some issue. For example, if a white cop shot a white guy who was unarmed and running away, it would still get attention. But we don't hear much of those? Why is that? Because the white perps don't usually get killed - even those who are armed and wave their firearm around. Even some who are holed up in a room shooting at cops. Even those who lead the cops on 100mph chases. Road rage incidents happen all the time - some are interracial, but other than when one of the participants is famous, they generally attract attention when there is some clear indication of racial issue - like when the shooter says "I wuz skeered and I've cleared out some trash."

[Vrede too]

There are still a lot of details we don't know.

Joe McKnight's shooting: What we know Sunday morning

In a different case, I am certain that a jury watching the video would have convicted rapidly if the roles and/or races were reversed.

Michael Slager trial: Lone juror is holdout on verdict, judge says

A lone juror will not vote to convict Michael Slager, the former South Carolina police officer accused in the fatal shooting of a black man. But jurors told the judge late Friday afternoon that they would continue deliberating and wish to return at 9 a.m. on Monday.

Slager, who is white, is charged in the death of 50-year-old Walter Scott, who was shot five times in the back in April 2015 as he fled a traffic stop after his 1990 Mercedes was pulled for a broken taillight. A bystander’s cellphone video of the shooting shocked the nation.

On Friday afternoon, the jury announced they were unable to reach a unanimous verdict, but a judge sent them back to continue deliberations. Around 4:30 p.m., Judge Clifton Newman read a letter from a single juror who said it was impossible for him or her to agree with the other jurors on a guilty verdict.

Newman read the letter to the court in which the juror wrote he “can’t in good conscience approve a guilty verdict” and would not change his mind....

Sincere opinion or was he bribed or threatened?

The 12-member jury - comprised of 11 white members and one African-American ...

Charleston, South Carolina is 70.2% White, 25.4% African American.

[Vrede too]

Another possibly relevant detail:

Man who killed Joe McKnight previously cited for battery at same intersection

[Boatrocker]

We might also want to consider that not all concealed carriers are "gun huggers" nor has Vrede ever said so.

I an not a foe of the 2A, nor am I a foe of some reasonable restriction on purchase, ownership and use of firearms. I have several rifles and a small shotgun in my closet- unused for years- and haven't owned a handgun since the 90s. But I am in the process of shopping for an appropriate semi-auto handgun and will get a SC CWP. Not because I'm afraid of all the fictional boogermen the RWingnuts shriek and slobber about, but because I wish to be armed against the MINORITY of stupid-as-fuck RW trash that voted for a petulant, spoiled, ill-behaved 4 year old for president.

[Mr.B]

What if McNight had been white and the shooter black?

What if? Not every white/black violent incident is racially based, and nobody claims they are. Most are ignored by all. But the ones that create an uproar, particularly where a white cop shoots a black guy, have some pretty clear indication that there's some issue. For example, if a white cop shot a white guy who was unarmed and running away, it would still get attention. But we don't hear much of those? Why is that? Because the white perps don't usually get killed - even those who are armed and wave their firearm around. Even some who are holed up in a room shooting at cops. Even those who lead the cops on 100 mph chases. Road rage incidents happen all the time - some are interracial, but other than when one of the participants is famous, they generally attract attention when there is some clear indication of racial issue..."

"Although Gasser was initially brought to a police station, he was released without charges. Gasser claims he shot McKnight in self defense, and Louisiana law allows people to shoot to kill if they believe they are being threatened."
I left my previous post above in a simple question, not as a bait or troll, but I was referring to the response of the Black community as shown in the news.
Apparently, it's not OK for one to defend himself, even with deadly force, if the attacker is Black. Some of the comments I heard was "we want the truth, we want answers, we want to know why he (the shooter) was released...." One "witness" claimed she saw Gasser shoot McKnight's motionless body while he was lying on the ground. (LEO's later said that didn't happen)

I'm willing to bet that had the shooter that shot McKnight been Black, there would not be any hell-raising from the Black community such as we're seeing now.

I'm also willing to bet that had the roles been reversed, and it was Gasser who had been killed, a new new set of scenarios could have occurred, such as McKnight would have been arrested and charged with murder, or possibly shot by LEO for the road-rage incident and having a gun.

[Mr.B]

"But I am in the process of shopping for an appropriate semi-auto handgun and will get a SC CWP. Not because I'm afraid of all the fictional boogermen the RWingnuts shriek and slobber about..."
We know those don't exist, don't we?

"... but because I wish to be armed against the MINORITY of stupid-as-fuck RW trash that voted for a petulant, spoiled, ill-behaved 4 year old for president."
You just said those types don't exist....but you're not afraid of them...?! Then why buy a handgun?
According to Vrede, you've now joined the ranks of the paranoid and cowardly "gunhuggers" and "ammosexuals"....
(you're also a sore loser; we wouldn't have gotten anything better had Trump been defeated; given the choices)

[Vrede too]

How Did Police From All Over the Country End Up at Standing Rock?
A Clinton-era directive used mainly for natural disaster relief has drawn in law enforcement from faraway states.

[Boatrocker]

"But I am in the process of shopping for an appropriate semi-auto handgun and will get a SC CWP. Not because I'm afraid of all the fictional boogermen the RWingnuts shriek and slobber about..."
We know those don't exist, don't we?

"... but because I wish to be armed against the MINORITY of stupid-as-fuck RW trash that voted for a petulant, spoiled, ill-behaved 4 year old for president."
You just said those types don't exist....but you're not afraid of them...?! Then why buy a handgun?
According to Vrede, you've now joined the ranks of the paranoid and cowardly "gunhuggers" and "ammosexuals"....
(you're also a sore loser; we wouldn't have gotten anything better had Trump been defeated; given the choices)

Reading comprehension remains a serious fucking chore for you. Don't be afraid to ask for help. Contact your local Literacy Project office.

[Vrede too]

As O Really stated a couple of times and I reinforced, I have never called all gun owners "gunhuggers" or "ammosexuals".

Uber-whiny Mr.B just can't help himself from committing Commandment-level sinful false witness. This is the lack of all personal responsibility that some gun owners have.

[rstrong]

Reading comprehension remains a serious fucking chore for you. Don't be afraid to ask for help. Contact your local Literacy Project office.

In his defense, willful pig-ignorance is apparently the foundation of his personal faith.

[Mr.B]

"Reading comprehension remains a serious......chore for you."
Not really; I read exactly what you wrote. Sentence structure is your serious chore.

"Don't be afraid to ask for help. Contact your local Literacy Project office."
Well, we know for a surety not to ask you because judging by your language, you speak the language of street illiterates; therefore you've not a clue what literacy is. You're welcome, sore loser.

[Mr.B]

"As O Really stated a couple of times and I reinforced, I have never called all gun owners "gunhuggers" or "ammosexuals".
And I never said you called all gun owners "gunhuggers" or "ammosexuals". I said Boatrocker has joined the ranks of us poor, cowardly, paranoids.

"Uber-whiny Mr.B....."
I don't drive a 'taxi'.

"....just can't help himself from committing Commandment-level sinful false witness. ®
This is the lack of all personal responsibility that some gun owners have."
Your butthurt cream doesn't work very well, does it? Try a bigger gob of it before you go to bed tonight.