I Am Afraid Many Will Be Disappointed and Surprised

[O Really]

I don't think this has happened before in NJ and NY.

You are joking right? been drinking the Al Gore kool aid again we see.

Climate change will cause a lot of rethinking and smart planning. Too bad the NC GOP banned that here.

Of course NY/NJ has had storms before, but essentially everyone in a position to know has used terms like "unprecedented." You might need to look it up.

[rstrong]

Record breaking heat this summer, 3rd highest number of named storms ever, 10 out of 15 of the busiest storm seasons ever in the last 12 years, 5 out of 10 of the busiest hurricane seasons ever in the last 17 years, 3 out of 8 of the busiest major hurricane seasons ever in the last 16 years and now a monster storm that will come ashore in NJ ( :!: ) the day before the end of hurricane season.

Just to save Colonel Taylor some time:

How many of those record seasons were during Democratic Presidencies or when the Democrats controlled Congress?

[billy.pilgrim]

BP, I have not profited from the NFIP. Carriers have profited from the "WYO" programs, but it was the NFIP who created the program. Nothing wrong with that because the NFIP was incompetent and could not administer the program

typical con - 1st he complains that some people may not be covered by a government program

then out of the blue he comes up with some bullshit about FNIP being incompetent in administering the program but offers no proof

tag,
FNIP still administers the program, they do let some companies handle claims but only if they use experienced adjusters who have been through FNIP training every year. last year one of the major carriers had it's claims taken over by FNIP due to the private company's repeated mistakes

private companies do sell the policies and collect initial fees and renewal fees and some do qualify and participate in the claims process

[billy.pilgrim]

OK all can now pile on after this.
As I have said I was a contractor for many years. Well about 80% of my work was on the coast right from Pt. Pleasant Beach and as far south as Long Beach Is. During Andrew I made more money the next few years then most make in 20 years and I was a fair contractor who did high end work. After this I was a sought after contractor in the area.
But ya know what these folks deserve what they got, well maybe not but I do not feel sorry for anyone who builds an $10,000,000.00 10,000 sq. foot home on the beach. This has happened before maybe not this magnitude and it will happen again. I have seen many of the houses I worked on in Pt. Pleasant and along rt. 35 on the news the last few day and Oh well. Also the only people that are in this area now are what they call winter renters. They rent many of the smaller homes and condo's for cheap(section 8 housing) this time of the year. I managed many of these rentals in the winter then got the houses ready for summer. These poor people will get nothing but a place to stay for a few weeks then forgotten, but the houses will be rebuild most likely with guvmit money.
I hope not one penny goes to grants and such for these morons to rebuild in the same place. Growing up on the coast I know you will not stop water surge, the end.
Have at it!

before flood insurance, we built wonderful concrete block on grade gulf front beach homes. during hurricanes, some would go but most would just fill with sand. shovel out the sand, replace some paneling and windows, dry the place out and good to go.
the on grade homes also served as a berm to prevent sand covering the island. now the million dollar homes on piling let the water and sand through to cause the same damage to interior homes and based on the amount of damage, you are required to rebuild on the expensive pilings

it's a program gone wrong in many ways

[billy.pilgrim]

The lucky ones if it can b called lucky. The people that had their homes burned down will b covered by homeowner insurance.

I have a nephew who is a first responder right in the middle of this and I just talked to him and he hasn't slept since Monday. He is a lot like me but does what has to be done, his biggest complaint right now is. The looting has started and they do not have the personnel to stop it.

the only looting we have in the panhandle was by a couple of sheriff deputies - one from Santa Rosa county and the other a temp from Tampa

[Supsalemgr]

BP, I have not profited from the NFIP. Carriers have profited from the "WYO" programs, but it was the NFIP who created the program. Nothing wrong with that because the NFIP was incompetent and could not administer the program

typical con - 1st he complains that some people may not be covered by a government program

then out of the blue he comes up with some bullshit about FNIP being incompetent in administering the program but offers no proof

tag,
FNIP still administers the program, they do let some companies handle claims but only if they use experienced adjusters who have been through FNIP training every year. last year one of the major carriers had it's claims taken over by FNIP due to the private company's repeated mistakes

private companies do sell the policies and collect initial fees and renewal fees and some do qualify and participate in the claims process

The NFIP is incompetent and provides poor service. Just ask any agent who has dealt with the NFIP directly and with a WYO company.

BTW, BP is very dense. I am not complaining about people not being covered as I was just pointing out the reality of the situation.

[Colonel Taylor]

The lucky ones if it can b called lucky. The people that had their homes burned down will b covered by homeowner insurance.

I have a nephew who is a first responder right in the middle of this and I just talked to him and he hasn't slept since Monday. He is a lot like me but does what has to be done, his biggest complaint right now is. The looting has started and they do not have the personnel to stop it.

the only looting we have in the panhandle was by a couple of sheriff deputies - one from Santa Rosa county and the other a temp from Tampa

I am hoping they were prosecuted and fired! Have an update?

[Supsalemgr]

I wonder why we are not hearing about the looting in NJ and NY by the MSM? They handled it pretty well after Katrina. They shot them and let folks know that was what was going to happen.

[Colonel Taylor]

I wonder why we are not hearing about the looting in NJ and NY by the MSM? They handled it pretty well after Katrina. They shot them and let folks know that was what was going to happen.

The only thing I heard of it as far as the media was on a LOCAL STATION here in NC interviewing folks and a few gang members who were bragging. They will not cover either, can't make it look like the Obama adm. isn't in charge. I will bet my home though that in two yrs. when Christy is up for re-election all these stories will surface about how he wasn't in charge and LET THIS HAPPEN.

Do a google search and you will find a lot of blogs and folks on forums talking about it, yet the LSM say zero looting. One clown even said that to keep moral up looting shouldn't be reported by the media. Does anyone take the MSM seriously any more really.
Darned in N.O. during Katrina when there was none the MSM made up stories about rapes that were rampet that never happened.

So my liberal friends why do the Liberal accept looting? Can't wait to hear this Twisting.

[rstrong]

They handled it pretty well after Katrina. They shot them and let folks know that was what was going to happen.

Uh huh. The also shot at people for simply trying to leave the area to reach safety. Having refugees stream into their area would have been inconvenient, so it became a crime.

Some paramedics from California that were attending the EMS conference in New Orleans had this experience:

As we approached the bridge, armed Gretna sheriffs formed a line across the foot of the bridge. Before we were close enough to speak, they began firing their weapons over our heads. This sent the crowd fleeing in various directions. As the crowd scattered and dissipated, a few of us inched forward and managed to engage some of the sheriffs in conversation. We told them of our conversation with the police commander and of the commander's assurances. The sheriffs informed us there were no buses waiting. The commander had lied to us to get us to move.

We questioned why we couldn't cross the bridge anyway, especially as there was little traffic on the 6-lane highway. They responded that the West Bank was not going to become New Orleans and there would be no Superdomes in their City.

[...]

All day long, we saw other families, individuals and groups make the same trip up the incline in an attempt to cross the bridge, only to be turned away. Some chased away with gunfire, others simply told no, others to be verbally berated and humiliated. Thousands of New Orleaners were prevented and prohibited from self-evacuating the City on foot.

[...]

From a woman with a battery powered radio we learned that the media was talking about us. Up in full view on the freeway, every relief and news organizations saw us on their way into the City. Officials were being asked what they were going to do about all those families living up on the freeway? The officials responded they were going to take care of us. Some of us got a sinking feeling. "Taking care of us" had an ominous tone to it.

Unfortunately, our sinking feeling (along with the sinking City) was correct. Just as dusk set in, a Gretna Sheriff showed up, jumped out of his patrol vehicle, aimed his gun at our faces, screaming, "Get off the fucking freeway". A helicopter arrived and used the wind from its blades to blow away our flimsy structures. As we retreated, the sheriff loaded up his truck with our food and water.

[...]

Reduced to a small group of 8 people, in the dark, we sought refuge in an abandoned school bus, under the freeway on Cilo Street. We were hiding from possible criminal elements but equally and definitely, we were hiding from the police and sheriffs with their martial law, curfew and shoot-to-kill policies.

Apparently the definition of "pretty well" is subjective.

[Colonel Taylor]

You can Joke about it all you want but I have talked to three people today and one just a few minutes ago. Folks are starting to arm themselves in the Shore areas. The area in Central NJ that got hit hard where the houses are in the middle of the road is an area of million dollar plus homes. I was just told there are people in boats going home to home looting these houses of valuables, in most of these places you can't get to by car because the bridges are out and there is no power yet. Funny though no mention of the looting my the MSM yet though. Another friend who is a manager of a few drug stores was told by his boss they had to keep the stores open even though there is no power because the Drug Stores are being robbed at will. He locked the doors and left. No mention by the news media yet though. Just think in N.O. they had to make stuff up to make Bush look bad, here they have the stories and they just don't run them, wonder why?

[Tertius]

The MSM is not making an issue of looting or suffering because they cannot blame Bush. These the MSM live there also. They think they are better than other areas of the country. They sure as hell are not going to publicize they are no better.

Just let a looter get shot and they will Zimmerman the shoter.

[Colonel Taylor]

...Funny though no mention of the looting my the MSM yet though...

Yes there is, as I told you before. Google before spouting off is a lesson you should have learned long ago.

They made up stuff in N.O. to make blacks look bad,

Do you really believe this? Seriously. Why would the liberal media do this to their own? You are delusional aren't you and just had to get race into this. Sad you are.

Shrub looked bad enough with the truth.

Vred I know many people right in the middle of this and I also listen to a few local stations up there on the computer and there is barely a mention of the looting. My one friend I talked to several times last night is taking turns with his neighbors sitting outside because looters are stealing generators. He said you can here boats in the distance which are looting the large homes that used to be on the beach. The radio is all they have on now and he said the same thing, no mention of looting at all.
During Katrina the MSM were making things up here it is first hand and it's being ignored.
My nephew who is a first responder told me this morning that the Unions are protesting now and will not allow outside crews into the state to help with the electric and power.
Where is the great community organizer in all this. Oh he's campaigning?

[k9nanny]

Some of you nutters are downright delusional. CNN, BBC World, and SKY all showed reports of looting.
Besides, looting is a given in these situations; I, for one, was far more concerned with people's personal safety and survival. Stuff can be replaced; lives can't.

[k9nanny]

Blah blah blah ... Where is the great community organizer in all this. Oh he's campaigning?

In this chaotic world, it's reassuring to know that some things never change.

[rstrong]

My nephew who is a first responder told me this morning that the Unions are protesting now and will not allow outside crews into the state to help with the electric and power.

Wall Street Journal:

New York State Electric and Gas Corp. says almost all of its customers now have power thanks to crews that came from as far away as Texas, Minnesota and Canada to help out.
[...]
It says 3,400 crew members and others under contract are working 17-hour shifts. They come from British Columbia, Nova Scotia, Missouri, North Carolina, Texas and Minnesota.

Not mentioned above: Ontario. However:

United Press International:

A Canadian electric utility dispatched 80 more workers Tuesday to New York to help restore power to the hurricane-battered region.
[...]
The Hydro One utility, owned by the province of Ontario, initially sent 145 line maintainers, foresters and support staff to New York and announced Tuesday another 80 workers were headed to New York.
[...]
Most recently, 200 Hydro One workers traveled to Washington, Maryland and Virginia July 1 after a massive storm hit the region.

[Colonel Taylor]

I was referring to the Jersey shore area, some STILL have no power as of this morning. But at least the FEMA workers got the day off from work.

My nephew who is a first responder told me this morning that the Unions are protesting now and will not allow outside crews into the state to help with the electric and power.

Wall Street Journal:

New York State Electric and Gas Corp. says almost all of its customers now have power thanks to crews that came from as far away as Texas, Minnesota and Canada to help out.
[...]
It says 3,400 crew members and others under contract are working 17-hour shifts. They come from British Columbia, Nova Scotia, Missouri, North Carolina, Texas and Minnesota.

Not mentioned above: Ontario. However:

United Press International:

A Canadian electric utility dispatched 80 more workers Tuesday to New York to help restore power to the hurricane-battered region.
[...]
The Hydro One utility, owned by the province of Ontario, initially sent 145 line maintainers, foresters and support staff to New York and announced Tuesday another 80 workers were headed to New York.
[...]
Most recently, 200 Hydro One workers traveled to Washington, Maryland and Virginia July 1 after a massive storm hit the region.

[rstrong]

And we're expected to believe you on this latest version of your all-accusation-no-evidence claim?

Not a chance.

[Crock Hunter]

I was referring to the Jersey shore area, some STILL have no power as of this morning. But at least the FEMA workers got the day off from work.

If we were so unfortunate as to have Mittens driving... FEMA workers would be gone entirely.. .. but to the pseudo-conservative mind.. aren't such programs evidence of our slide into socialism.??. ..

The hypocrisy of you rightwing nitwits is simply astounding..

[Stinger]

My nephew who is a first responder told me this morning that the Unions are protesting now and will not allow outside crews into the state to help with the electric and power.

I was referring to the Jersey shore area, some STILL have no power as of this morning. But at least the FEMA workers got the day off from work.

Either you or your nephew is full of shit.

You have one chickenchit crew from Decatur, Alabama, Decatur Utilities, that went up to Virginia, spent a few days, and turned around and came home without helping anyone.

To save face, they blamed the union, made claims about a letter that they don't have, can't produce, and no one sent, and then did a cut and run.

Make excuses, provide no evidence, blame someone else for your mistakes, and then cut and run. You probably could get a job there. Hell, they'd probably make you president.

Meanwhile, back in reality, Seaside Heights, which had non-union crews making repairs, turned away crews because they already had more crews than they could handle. The other crews that were "turned away" -- including some union crews -- simply went to other sites where they were needed.

The two companies originally mentioned -- one, a union company -- were never even in New Jersey and never heard a word about union or non-union. New Jersey Ledger

Thorn chugs the Kool Aid again. Wonder who he'll blame before he runs away.