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I was not impressed with Obama at all, however I can understand why Obama couldn't muster up some retorts when Romney suddenly switched positions on almost everything he's said.

That'd hit anyone off guard.

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Have to love the koolaid drinkers. How about nearly everthing Obama said was either Twisted or he just Lied, Why did ya leave that out?
OBAMA: "Over the last two years, health care premiums have gone up — it's true — but they've gone up slower than any time in the last 50 years. So we're already beginning to see progress. In the meantime, folks out there with insurance, you're already getting a rebate."

THE FACTS: Not so, concerning premiums. Obama is mixing overall health care spending, which has been growing at historically low levels, and health insurance premiums, which have continued to rise faster than wages and overall economic growth. Premiums for job-based family coverage have risen by nearly $2,400 since 2009 when Obama took office, according to the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation. In 2011, premiums jumped by 9 percent. This year's 4 percent increase was more manageable, but the price tag for family coverage stands at $15,745, with employees paying more than $4,300 of that.

When it comes to insurance rebates under Obama's health care law, less than 10 percent of people with private health insurance are benefiting.

More than 160 million Americans under 65 have private insurance through their jobs and by buying their own policies. According to the administration, about 13 million people will benefit from rebates. And nearly two-thirds of that number will only be entitled to a share of it, since they are covered under job-based plans where their employer pays most of the premium and will get most of the rebate.
OBAMA: It's important "that we take some of the money that we're saving as we wind down two wars to rebuild America."

THE FACTS: This oft-repeated claim is based on a fiscal fiction. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were paid for mostly with borrowed money, so stopping them doesn't create a new pool of available cash that can be used for something else, like rebuilding America. It just slows down the government's borrowing.
OBAMA: "Gov. Romney's central economic plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cut — on top of the extension of the Bush tax cuts, that's another trillion dollars — and $2 trillion in additional military spending that the military hasn't asked for. That's $8 trillion. How we pay for that, reduce the deficit, and make the investments that we need to make, without dumping those costs onto middle-class Americans, I think is one of the central questions of this campaign."

THE FACTS: Obama's claim that Romney wants to cut taxes by $5 trillion doesn't add up. Presumably, Obama was talking about the effect of Romney's tax plan over 10 years, which is common in Washington. But Obama's math doesn't take into account Romney's entire plan.

Romney proposes to reduce income tax rates by 20 percent and eliminate the estate tax and the alternative minimum tax. The Tax Policy Center, a Washington research group, says that would reduce federal tax revenues by $465 billion in 2015, which would add up to about $5 trillion over 10 years.

However, Romney says he wants to pay for the tax cuts by reducing or eliminating tax credits, deductions and exemptions. The goal is a simpler tax code that raises the same amount of money as the current system but does it in a more efficient manner.

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I'll assume that wasn't sourced for a reason.
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bannination wrote:I'll assume that wasn't sourced for a reason.
:lol:
Nope just didn't think of it, here ya go even from a liberal leaning sight.
http://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-presid ... 21565.html

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Colonel Taylor wrote:
bannination wrote:I'll assume that wasn't sourced for a reason.
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Nope just didn't think of it, here ya go even from a liberal leaning sight.
http://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-presid ... 21565.html
Cherry picking. You left out the Romney "twists."
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Fact: UE rate drops to 7.8%.

Mittman says that's not what a real recovery looks like. How would
he know? Republicans only know what a great recession looks like.

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Bungalow Bill wrote:Fact: UE rate drops to 7.8%.

Mittman says that's not what a real recovery looks like. How would
he know? Republicans only know what a great recession looks like.
Without all the hype.
UE-6 Unemployment rate still at 14.7%
The U-6 unemployment measure that includes individuals who have giving up looking for work was unchanged at 14.7%.
So I stated months ago this would happen around election time and it has. Just keep kicking folks off the rolls and the number will be zero within 6 months. Keep slopping up the KoolAid. :lol:
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The nutters are twisting themselves into pretzels over on the d & d run forum to come up
with some loony conspiracy theory as to why UE dropped to 7.8%. Of course shithead
Foolgle is right there in the midst of things. Big surprise. Sorry wingnuts, the numbers are
what they are. If the numbers were the same and McCain was president, they'd be bragging
about the drop and wouldn't make a mention of UE-6, which nobody cares about anyway.
But since Big O is president, it's a whole different thing. These idiots are so transparent it
isn't funny (well actually it is). Sorry there Colonel T., but nobody gives a fuck about UE-6.
That's the way it is and always has been.

Grape is my flavor, though now that summertime is over, consumption will drop down.

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Bungalow Bill wrote:The nutters are twisting themselves into pretzels over on the d & d run forum to come up
with some loony conspiracy theory as to why UE dropped to 7.8%. Of course shithead
Foolgle is right there in the midst of things. Big surprise. Sorry wingnuts, the numbers are
what they are. If the numbers were the same and McCain was president, they'd be bragging
about the drop and wouldn't make a mention of UE-6, which nobody cares about anyway.
But since Big O is president, it's a whole different thing. These idiots are so transparent it
isn't funny (well actually it is). Sorry there Colonel T., but nobody gives a fuck about UE-6.
That's the way it is and always has been.

Grape is my flavor, though now that summertime is over, consumption will drop down.
Pretty soon we'll all be guzzling the "winter blend," which has a fine bouquet and is smooth on the palate. :D

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Three times married adulterer Welch ( I knew Newt Gingrich....) is going bonkers about the jobs
report and the local nutters aren't far behind. Hilarious.:


But while the jobs report painted a mixed picture with uncertain political ramifications, some conservatives sounded downright panicked.

Former General Electric CEO Jack Welch tweeted his suspicion that the Labor Department had doctored the numbers because of Obama's sluggish debate performance on Wednesday.

"Unbelievable jobs numbers..these Chicago guys will do anything..can't debate so change numbers," Welch tweeted, without providing any evidence for a claim quickly dismissed by experts—including Republicans—as lunacy.

"No serious person would question the integrity of the Bureau of Labor Statistics," Alan Krueger, chairman of Obama's Council of Economic Advisers, told Bloomberg. "These numbers are put together by career employees who use the same process every month. I think those comments are irresponsible."

(from Yahoo News)



Yes, the winter blend was its own unique flavors, plus it's cheaper than the summer blend.
A win, win situation.

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Vrede wrote:Romney Is On Offense . . . other than being terrified of kids.

Nickelodeon TV says Romney skipped kids' questions
At least they weren't lied to.

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Who could have possibly imagined that 30+ months of private sector job growth would lead to a reduction in the unemployment rate?

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