The Religion Thread

[Mr.B]

"You've stated several time that the man - and ONLY the man - may be in charge."
Why are you being so dishonest?® I "stated several times" that the man is to be the head of his household. That's not saying the wife is not to have any part of decision making; it's saying it's the husband's duty to provide for and protect his family.

I know where you're coming from. In this day and time, so many men are so wimpy, their wives run over them, or they weren't man enough to hold their households together and they divorced, or, they aren't man enough to face the responsibilities associated with family life. Again, I'm not saying Christians aren't immune from those problems, but the majority of married Christian couples I know have been together for many years ... including myself.

"The Bible also makes it clear that a woman may not have authority over men, must be subservient, and - according to Paul in 1 Corinthians and 1 Timothy, must shut up while in church."
It doesn't say "shut up"; it says "be silent"; as in preaching to men. Of course, you know that; you just want to piss and argue about it.

"(Granted, some religious scholars point to considerable evidence that those bits were added by later authors. But if you accept that, you'd have to accept the other ways that Christianity and the Bible evolved over the first centuries after Jesus. Like his resurrection not being in early texts, but showing up three centuries later.)"
I, nor thousands of Biblical scholars over the years have, or have had, a problem with that, so you shouldn't be soiling your panties over it. Rage on. We all know the accuracy of Wikipedia; you could have added that text yourself.

[Mr.B]

1 Corinthians 14:33-35s:
"As in all the congregations of the Lord’s people. Women should remain silent in the churches, They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church."

My sources: (KJV)
"For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints---
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law----And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak (preach) in the church.

1 Timothy 2: 9-15:
"A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet."

"But I suffer (allow) not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."

"You might want to study the book some time, rather than rely on non-Christians for information about it."
Thanks for the laugh. I'll remember that. I'll run and tell everybody where to get their Biblical information; give me your address and they can write you directly rather than waste time in this forum.

"A Godly man should be head of his house; what happened in your house? Godly women have no problem with it ...."

"As I said; that is your personal belief. What you've cherry-picked from the Bible while ignoring or denying the rest."
At least I know what to pick; and that is something you'll just have to get over.

[Mr.B]

"That's exactly what an Islamic extremist would say, exactly. Funny that."
Not exactly; but I'll take your word for it since you're the utmost authority on what goes on inside a church.

"If a "Godly [sic, adjective] man"
Oh my gosh! You nailed me good on that one, didn't you? I'm so proud of you!

"....has superior leadership or other skills, that will happen naturally."
I guess we know what happened in your situation, don't we?

"Otherwise, it's just a weak excuse for the insecure and incompetent to be a literal dickhead. Is that what happened in your house? "
At least I'm STILL in a stable, secure marriage. I guess I have real insecurity and incompetence, huh?
Now, what was your excuse...you've got your dickhead part nailed down, what's the rest of your pitiful excuse for what happened in YOUR house?
"Mr.B Ali's world of "real" Christians just got a lot smaller. Every single woman that sees marriage as an equal partnership is ungodly, period.
Doesn't get any more misogynistic and hateful than that."
Spoken like a true caring, compassionate soul .... So tell us why there's no woman in your house. :gayhappy:

[Vrede too]

Wrong for religious freedom.

Call or Email Your Senator to Oppose the Confirmation of Trump’s Supreme Court Pick, Neil Gorsuch!

[Mr.B]

Hmmm... a star of heaven and the flame of hell. Interesting.

[Vrede too]

White Evangelicals Believe They Face More Discrimination Than Muslims
A new study suggests different groups of Americans see their country in radically divergent ways.

Overall, people were twice as likely to say Muslims face discrimination as they were to say the same thing about Christians.... White Catholics and white mainline Protestants were both in line with the American average: Each group was roughly twice as likely to say Muslims face discrimination compared to how they see the Christian experience.

The people who stuck out, whose perceptions were radically different from others in the survey, were white evangelical Protestants. Among this group, 57 percent said there’s a lot of discrimination against Christians in the U.S. today. Only 44 percent said the same thing about Muslims. They were the only religious group more likely to believe Christians face discrimination compared to Muslims.

White Evangelicals See More Discrimination Against Christians Than Muslims


... It’s difficult to quantify something as amorphous as “discrimination.” Perceptions like this might be shaped by everything from daily interactions to widely reported instances of assault, vandalism, or other intimidation motivated by bias. In terms of these kinds of hate crimes, Muslims fare far worse than Christians: 22 percent of religiously motivated crimes are against Muslims, compared to the 13.6 percent against Catholics, Protestants, Mormons, and other Christian denominations combined. Considering that Muslims are estimated to make up less than 1 percent of the American population, compared to Christians’ 70 percent, these numbers are even more stark....

In other words, white evangelicals are being crybabies about something that has no basis in fact.

[k9nanny]

Separation of Church and State = persecution.

[Mr.B]

"In other words, white evangelicals are being crybabies about something that has no basis in fact."

Hate to bust yer bubble, but there happens to be many, many Black evangelicals too.

[Vrede too]

Creationist Ken Ham’s Ky. 'Ark Park' Fails To Lift All Boats

Religious Right Continues To Cling To Trump’s Baseless Wiretapping Allegations

[JTA]

Creationist Ken Ham’s Ky. 'Ark Park' Fails To Lift All Boats

Religious Right Continues To Cling To Trump’s Baseless Wiretapping Allegations

Seeing the ark is on my bucket list.

[O Really]

Interesting article about the Ark exhibit. Yes, it's in the middle of nowhere, but some of us remember when Orlando was, too. The county was conned and screwed, fershure, but even so, if the Ark draws a lot of people there should be opportunities. If there aren't, the only logical conclusions are that (a) all the Ark visitors drive in and out without even looking around; (b) the visitors are hungry, would like somewhere to stay, would like additional things to see, but nobody has been willing to build anything; or (c) Noah is lying about visitor attendance. Or maybe a combination of those. Or maybe the county just didn't realize how much money and work it would take to stop being a bare spot in the middle of nowhere.

[Vrede too]

I don't know for sure but it does have a restaurant and it's not the kind of thing that one needs more than a few hours to experience. So, visitors can definitely drop in and not spend a penny elsewhere in the community. It's reasonable to guess that Ham deliberately chose a depressed and desperate area for the cheap land and the taxpayer bennies he could finagle. That's not the kind of place that has existing enticements for tourists, and without new dollars it doesn't have the capital to create them. Plus, with construction done and given that it's a static attraction, there can't be that many on-site jobs for locals and almost all of them are probably no skill and low wage.

[JTA]

After visiting the ark, tourists can drop in and grab a bite to eat at the local Arby's, then explore the local strip mall where you'll find an O Reilly's auto parts store, a cash for gold, and a Big K where tourists can do some shopping.

[Vrede too]

Piles Chevrolet
1240 North Main Street
Williamstown, KY 41097
Okay cars, but the seats really suck.

The Secret Garden (of Eden?)
10018 Dixie Highway
Florence, KY 41042

If you find one there's:

Jelly Beans Children’s Resale Store
1115 Fashion Ridge Road
Dry Ridge, KY 41035

[O Really]

More to the story...
Refusal to raise taxes, corrupt and sleazy politicians... and it doesn't help tourism to have a jail as your prime industry.
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/po ... /97133526/

[JTA]

Toss some coins into the towns dry and inoperable water fountain, painted a lovely shade of bright turquoise, chipped and cracked revealing the grey concrete underneath.

[O Really]

Toss some coins into the towns dry and inoperable water fountain, painted a lovely shade of bright turquoise, chipped and cracked revealing the grey concrete underneath.

Not to mention the "semi-dry" liquor laws.

[JTA]

Take a morning jog down the six lane highway plowing through what used to be main street and grab a coffee at the Lil' Cricket while dodging traffic and stray bullets from drive bys.

[JTA]

Visit many of our town's historic ruins meticulously preserved through apathy and neglect. A fun filled day for the history buffs among us. Explore the vacant Ingles parking lot for a glimpse into life in the late 1990's, or stop by the old abandoned Blockbuster building to relive the days our town's thriving film rental industry.

[Vrede too]

More to the story...
Refusal to raise taxes, corrupt and sleazy politicians... and it doesn't help tourism to have a jail as your prime industry.
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/po ... /97133526/

How could it possibly happen with all of that righteous Ark Adventure godliness in the county? Must be Satan's sabotage.