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neoplacebo wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:46 am
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Some were devastated by 8 years of black "rule". Never mind that it wasn't tangibly different from prior admins.

And nevermind that the "ruler" wasn't very black, either. Which brings up an interesting question - why is it that a half white/half asian is bi-racial, but a half-white/half black is "black" and a half asian/half black is also "black." Didn't that come from back in reconstruction or so when a person with only a tiny percent black was black? And isn't it time that changed?
The so called "one drop rule" states that if you've got one drop of black blood or one black ancestor, that makes you "black." This was actually codified by several states but never was part of federal law. And it wasn't during Reconstruction that this term became extant; it was the early 20th century when it first surfaced. Sort of like an early version of trumpism.

The British used the 16 generation bs.
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billy.pilgrim wrote:
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The so called "one drop rule" states that if you've got one drop of black blood or one black ancestor, that makes you "black." This was actually codified by several states but never was part of federal law. And it wasn't during Reconstruction that this term became extant; it was the early 20th century when it first surfaced. Sort of like an early version of trumpism.
The British used the 16 generation bs.
One-drop rule: Legislation and practice

Both before and after the American Civil War, many people of mixed ancestry who "looked white" and were of mostly white ancestry were legally absorbed into the white majority. State laws established differing standards. For instance, an 1822 Virginia law stated that to be defined as mulatto (that is, multi-racial), a person had to have at least one-quarter (equivalent to one grandparent) African ancestry. Social acceptance and identity were historically the keys to racial identity. Virginia's one-fourth standard remained in place until 1910, when the standard was changed to one sixteenth. In 1924, under the Racial Integrity Act, even the one sixteenth standard was abandoned in favor of a more stringent standard. The act defined a person as legally "colored" (black) for classification and legal purposes if the individual had any African ancestry....

Pursuant to Reconstruction later in the 19th century, southern states acted to impose racial segregation by law and restrict the liberties of blacks, specifically passing laws to exclude them from politics and voting. From 1890 to 1908, all of the former Confederate states passed such laws, and most preserved disfranchisement until after passage of federal civil rights laws in the 1960s. At the South Carolina constitutional convention in 1895, an anti-miscegenation law and changes that would disfranchise blacks were proposed. Delegates debated a proposal for a one-drop rule to include in these laws....

In 1865, Florida passed an act that both outlawed miscegenation and defined the amount of Black ancestry needed to be legally defined as a "person of color". The act stated that "every person who shall have one-eighth or more of negro blood shall be deemed and held to be a person of color." (This was the equivalent of one great-grandparent.) Additionally, the act outlawed fornication, as well as the intermarrying of white females with men of color....

Jim Crow laws reached their greatest influence during the decades from 1910 to 1930. Among them were hypodescent laws, defining as black anyone with any black ancestry, or with a very small portion of black ancestry. Tennessee adopted such a "one-drop" statute in 1910, and Louisiana soon followed. Then Texas and Arkansas in 1911, Mississippi in 1917, North Carolina in 1923, Virginia in 1924, Alabama and Georgia in 1927, and Oklahoma in 1931. During this same period, Florida, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, and Utah retained their old "blood fraction" statutes de jure, but amended these fractions (one-sixteenth, one-thirty-second) to be equivalent to one-drop de facto.

Before 1930, individuals of visible mixed European and African ancestry were usually classed as mulatto, or sometimes as black and sometimes as white, depending on appearance. Previously, most states had limited trying to define ancestry before "the fourth degree" (great-great-grandparents). But, in 1930, due to lobbying by southern legislators, the Census Bureau stopped using the classification of mulatto. Documentation of the long social recognition of mixed-race people was lost, and they were classified only as black or white....
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If they applied that universally across the board, using something like Ancestry.com or other DNA verification, I'm thinking there would probably be a lot more Americans "of color" than there are "white."

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If they applied that universally across the board, using something like Ancestry.com or other DNA verification, I'm thinking there would probably be a lot more Americans "of color" than there are "white."
The same Wiki article discusses that in detail: Racial mixtures of blacks and whites in modern America.
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Memory failed about 16 generations.


https://www.bl.uk/west-india-regiment/a ... d-slaveryn the British West Indies a person could become white much sooner. The offspring of a black woman with a white man is a mulattoe.

Should a mulattoe woman mate with a black person, out pops a Sambo

But if the mulattoe woman has a white man's kid, the kid is a Quadroon.

The offspring of a Quadroon and a White Man is a Mestize or Mustee

And finally, a Mustee woman and a White Man can make their very own white people.



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Let's not forget that a "poorly educated" white man and white woman will produce on offspring commonly referred to as a redneck or white trash. Personally I'd rather be a Quadroon; it just sounds better.

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Let's not forget that a "poorly educated" white man and white woman will produce on offspring commonly referred to as a redneck or white trash. Personally I'd rather be a Quadroon; it just sounds better.
It does have a ring to it
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Makes me think of 4 coconut cookies, mmmm.

Are such racial calculations Quadroonic Equations?
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Vrede too wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:23 am
Makes me think of 4 coconut cookies, mmmm.

Are such racial calculations Quadroonic Equations?
Yes, they are indeed so designated; many people say that the old military "dragoons" were, in fact, quadroons dressed in drag.....it scared the hell out of the enemy.

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neoplacebo wrote:
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Yes, they are indeed so designated; many people say that the old military "dragoons" were, in fact, quadroons dressed in drag.....it scared the hell out of the enemy.
Their version of the SEALS, the Pontoons, are an elite fighting force. Have you heard about their clone Army?
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Vrede too wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 3:30 pm
neoplacebo wrote:
Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:47 pm
Yes, they are indeed so designated; many people say that the old military "dragoons" were, in fact, quadroons dressed in drag.....it scared the hell out of the enemy.
Their version of the SEALS, the Pontoons, are an elite fighting force. Have you heard about their clone Army?
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Doubloons.
:lol: Pontoons are not to be trifled with; a dozen Pontoons can handle nearly fifty Doubloons.

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I read another story today about an older guy falling to his death at the Grand Canyon, which the story said makes three deaths in eight days. This seems suspicious to me but could be just chance.

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I read another story today about an older guy falling to his death at the Grand Canyon, which the story said makes three deaths in eight days. This seems suspicious to me but could be just chance.
They're not really "falling". Because of all the tourists, the Grand Canyon sucks.
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They're not really "falling". Because of all the tourists, the Grand Canyon sucks.
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At least one of the others nominated themself for a Darwin by trying to take a selfie on the edge. But I think the last guy may have jumped. Older guy, up there by himself, nothing in the article about anybody on the trip with him. If you're prone to be a jumper, Grand Canyon isn't a bad place. Better than going into the East River or off some cliff that's just high enough to break your neck but not kill you.

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O Really wrote:
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They're not really "falling". Because of all the tourists, the Grand Canyon sucks.
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At least one of the others nominated themself for a Darwin by trying to take a selfie on the edge. But I think the last guy may have jumped. Older guy, up there by himself, nothing in the article about anybody on the trip with him. If you're prone to be a jumper, Grand Canyon isn't a bad place. Better than going into the East River or off some cliff that's just high enough to break your neck but not kill you.
Yeah, I sort of thought some may be jumpers. People are going fucking crazy; just today they announced that the family of both female adults and six kids killed in an auto crash over a cliff into the Pacific was a murder suicide gig. And there was the thing about the guys in Arkansas who decided to have a shootout while wearing body armor. I just don't know what to expect next.

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Back to the subject of the number of generations required to purify,

In post-war Indiana they agreed that anyone over 3 generations removed qualified as pure

1866: Miscegenation
This law prohibited whites from marrying any African American who is more than 12% African American (meaning having a blood relation up to the third generation to an African American). Penalty of not following this law was a felony that was punishable by imprisonment in the state penitentiary up to five years.


That one worked until 1893, after 1893 they enacted a new law against African Americans in housing, voting, residing, jury duty, passing through, and of course, schools, every few years. - and trains too


1944: Miscegenation
Any marriage between a white person and an African American or racially mixed citizen was prohibited. Penalty to follow this law was a fine of $500 to $5,000. If the people continued to be interracially married the result would be imprisonment in prison from three to twelve months.

It seems that by the 30s even the tiniest amount if bad blood could get you run out of the state - or worse, jail and huge fines
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So how would they know if my grandmother/great grandmother was blackish, or how would they know to ask? There would be minimal if any physical characteristics. Did everyone have to produce "papers" to prove their pedigree?

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So how would they know if my grandmother/great grandmother was blackish, or how would they know to ask? There would be minimal if any physical characteristics. Did everyone have to produce "papers" to prove their pedigree?
It was likely enforced by threat and fear....sort of like an earlier version of Trumpism. Plus, back then, most folks tended to stay near where they were born and grew up, especially in rural areas. That being the case, the stigma of violating this law and the fact that nearly everyone knew about nearly everyone else's business probably sufficed to offer a type of auto enforcement situation. So, these poor bastards were Trumped before anyone.

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neoplacebo wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:02 pm
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Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:39 pm
So how would they know if my grandmother/great grandmother was blackish, or how would they know to ask? There would be minimal if any physical characteristics. Did everyone have to produce "papers" to prove their pedigree?
It was likely enforced by threat and fear....sort of like an earlier version of Trumpism. Plus, back then, most folks tended to stay near where they were born and grew up, especially in rural areas. That being the case, the stigma of violating this law and the fact that nearly everyone knew about nearly everyone else's business probably sufficed to offer a type of auto enforcement situation. So, these poor bastards were Trumped before anyone.

Papers were required when living while black, but I agree, how would whitie know.
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billy.pilgrim wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 6:09 pm
neoplacebo wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:02 pm
O Really wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:39 pm
So how would they know if my grandmother/great grandmother was blackish, or how would they know to ask? There would be minimal if any physical characteristics. Did everyone have to produce "papers" to prove their pedigree?
It was likely enforced by threat and fear....sort of like an earlier version of Trumpism. Plus, back then, most folks tended to stay near where they were born and grew up, especially in rural areas. That being the case, the stigma of violating this law and the fact that nearly everyone knew about nearly everyone else's business probably sufficed to offer a type of auto enforcement situation. So, these poor bastards were Trumped before anyone.
Papers were required when living while black, but I agree, how would whitie know.
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