I guess not, eh?
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I guess not, eh?
And about the question?1 CAT FAN wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:26 pm ]Nice of you to quote the Book of Genesis correctly. I especially like the part "In the beginning, God created..."
I guess not, eh?
1 CAT FAN wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:17 am GOD didn't create the hurricane's destruction, he allowed it, as he allows you to have free will.
billy.pilgrim wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:09 am1 CAT FAN wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:17 am GOD didn't create the hurricane's destruction, he allowed it, as he allows you to have free will.
But, but, but, he created everything. Why did he create a world with hurricanes
that he could then sit back and allow?
I thought that the reason Adam and Eve were evicted from Eden was because they chose free will and the knowledge of good and evil over what god told them to do. Yet you say god gave us free will; so which is it? a punishment or a blessing? or a myth?1 CAT FAN wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:51 ambilly.pilgrim wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:09 am1 CAT FAN wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:17 am GOD didn't create the hurricane's destruction, he allowed it, as he allows you to have free will.
But, but, but, he created everything. Why did he create a world with hurricanes
that he could then sit back and allow?Would you like for GOD to intervene and take away your free will?
1 CAT FAN wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:51 ambilly.pilgrim wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:09 am1 CAT FAN wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:17 am GOD didn't create the hurricane's destruction, he allowed it, as he allows you to have free will.
But, but, but, he created everything. Why did he create a world with hurricanes
that he could then sit back and allow?Would you like for GOD to intervene and take away your free will?
1 CAT FAN wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:17 am Would you like for GOD to intervene and take away your free will?
You're alive, aren't you.billy.pilgrim wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:10 amNo intervention needed if he had done a decent creation job.
billy.pilgrim wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:10 amPlease explain why he created so many destructive things.
Uhhh, I'll take vengeance is mine sayeth the lord for 800billy.pilgrim wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:10 am1 CAT FAN wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:51 ambilly.pilgrim wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:09 am1 CAT FAN wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:17 am GOD didn't create the hurricane's destruction, he allowed it, as he allows you to have free will.
But, but, but, he created everything. Why did he create a world with hurricanes
that he could then sit back and allow?Would you like for GOD to intervene and take away your free will?
No intervention needed if he had done a decent creation job. Please explain why he created so many destructive things.
neoplacebo wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:05 amI thought that the reason Adam and Eve were evicted from Eden was because they chose free will and the knowledge of good and evil over what god told them to do. Yet you say god gave us free will; so which is it? a punishment or a blessing? or a myth?1 CAT FAN wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:51 ambilly.pilgrim wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:09 am1 CAT FAN wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:17 am GOD didn't create the hurricane's destruction, he allowed it, as he allows you to have free will.
But, but, but, he created everything. Why did he create a world with hurricanes
that he could then sit back and allow?Would you like for GOD to intervene and take away your free will?
1 CAT FAN wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:52 amneoplacebo wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:05 amI thought that the reason Adam and Eve were evicted from Eden was because they chose free will and the knowledge of good and evil over what god told them to do. Yet you say god gave us free will; so which is it? a punishment or a blessing? or a myth?1 CAT FAN wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:51 ambilly.pilgrim wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:09 am1 CAT FAN wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:17 am GOD didn't create the hurricane's destruction, he allowed it, as he allows you to have free will.
But, but, but, he created everything. Why did he create a world with hurricanes
that he could then sit back and allow?Would you like for GOD to intervene and take away your free will?
The jealous serpent came to the garden.
Did you always mind your parents, eat your fruits & vegetables. Did they punish you for not eating healthy.
The Bible encourages us to “choose life, by listening to GODS voice,” that is, by choosing to obey his commands. Deuteronomy 30:19, 20. This offer would be meaningless, even cruel, if we lacked free will. Instead of forcing us to do what he says, God warmly appeals to us: “O if only you would actually pay attention to my commandments. Then your peace would become just like a river.” Isaiah 48:18.
Vrede too wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 10:37 am According to the fundies:
"Miracle" rescues or recoveries = god's intervention
Bad things that happen to "sinners", up to and including hurricanes = god's intervention
Bad things that happen randomly, even to kids = god's nonintervention or "free will", even if they happen randomly
Either fundies are assholes, or god is.
billy.pilgrim wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 10:41 am1 CAT FAN wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:52 amneoplacebo wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 8:05 amI thought that the reason Adam and Eve were evicted from Eden was because they chose free will and the knowledge of good and evil over what god told them to do. Yet you say god gave us free will; so which is it? a punishment or a blessing? or a myth?1 CAT FAN wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:51 ambilly.pilgrim wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:09 am
But, but, but, he created everything. Why did he create a world with hurricanes
that he could then sit back and allow?Would you like for GOD to intervene and take away your free will?
The jealous serpent came to the garden.
Did you always mind your parents, eat your fruits & vegetables. Did they punish you for not eating healthy.
The Bible encourages us to “choose life, by listening to GODS voice,” that is, by choosing to obey his commands. Deuteronomy 30:19, 20. This offer would be meaningless, even cruel, if we lacked free will. Instead of forcing us to do what he says, God warmly appeals to us: “O if only you would actually pay attention to my commandments. Then your peace would become just like a river.” Isaiah 48:18.
Yeppers, we got us a runner.
O Really wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 10:17 am An entity who created the universe(s) and who existed alone before there was a universe, does not hold casual conversations with the results of the creation over whether they are able to do anything outside the power of the entity.
Ah, that clarifies things somewhat. Cat fan equates belief with knowledge. This is not good policy and will only result in misfortune. I might believe the world is flat or I might believe I can fly or I might believe anything. My belief does not make it fact and it does not equate to knowledge other than the fact I know I believe it....circular reasoning.1 CAT FAN wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:17 amO Really wrote: Fri Apr 19, 2019 10:17 am An entity who created the universe(s) and who existed alone before there was a universe, does not hold casual conversations with the results of the creation over whether they are able to do anything outside the power of the entity.If you don't believe, then how would you know?