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Happy Easter to all, and to all a good fright. The following is a paean to Christian hypocrisy and to how people manipulate notions of god for their own ends: all copyright 1996 by Chrysalis Records ...
If Ian Anderson ("somewhere between Deist and Pantheist") had started a cult, I would have joined.


College professor bought 1-way ticket to Rome before St. Patrick’s Cathedral arson attempt, police say

No surprise that he's Catholic. I think I'll add Marc Lamparello to my list of white, male, often Christian, con domestic terrorists. I'll bet that he was also an altar boy. :o ;)

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Vrede too wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:03 pm
neoplacebo wrote:
Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:06 am
Happy Easter to all, and to all a good fright. The following is a paean to Christian hypocrisy and to how people manipulate notions of god for their own ends: all copyright 1996 by Chrysalis Records ...
If Ian Anderson ("somewhere between Deist and Pantheist") had started a cult, I would have joined.


College professor bought 1-way ticket to Rome before St. Patrick’s Cathedral arson attempt, police say

No surprise that he's Catholic. I think I'll add Marc Lamparello to my list of white, male, often Christian, con domestic terrorists. I'll bet that he was also an altar boy. :o ;)

Happy Easter, y'all!
Cool. I've been a follower of Tull for decades; since I first heard their music on the Benefit record. And, like, Ian, I consider myself to be an observer of the basic tenets of the Christian religion. Too bad a lot of the professed Christians don't practice what they preach. I can remember when I first noticed this, at church with my mother, at about age 7 I was struck by how differently my mom and her friends (the ones i had personally been around in my life) acted differently at church than they did anywhere else. Ah, well, like Ian said elsewhere on the Aqualung album; "he's not the kind you have to wind up on Sunday."

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How can you hate someone if they don't exist?
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      Sometimes the devil allows people to live a life free of trouble because he doesn't want them turning to GOD. Their sin is like a jail cell, except it is all nice and comfy and there doesn't seem to be any reason to leave. The door's wide open. Till one day, time runs out, and the cell door slams shut, and suddenly it's too late.
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        How can you hate someone if they don't exist?
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            Sometimes the devil allows people to live a life free of trouble because he doesn't want them turning to GOD. Their sin is like a jail cell, except it is all nice and comfy and there doesn't seem to be any reason to leave. The door's wide open. Till one day, time runs out, and the cell door slams shut, and suddenly it's too late.
              Happy Easter!
              Who said anything about hate? You insinuate that some hate god; how can that be if he doesn't exist? Actually, following your own logic (illogical as it is, in your manifesto posted earlier) there is no such thing as hate.....only the absence of love. By the way, congratulations on being immune to what most of us call "cold"....how does it feel to be immune from sub zero temperature? I will guess it feels pretty fucking "absence of heat."

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              anticipated answer: did you know Israel has a wall around it? or, there is water in the ground in places. or, I like music, too. or, Pearl is a paragon of basketball infamy.

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              I truly wish your logic held water (from anywhere) in which case there would be no trump; only the absence of honesty and integrity and decency.

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              Why didn't you just edit, three post, or were you just commenting to yourself. If someone has a disbelief that GOD doesn't exist, then why does that someone vigorously defend that disbelief?
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                I truly wish your logic held water (from anywhere) in which case there would be no trump; only the absence of honesty and integrity and decency.


                at least he's funny
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                Why didn't you just edit, three post, or were you just commenting to yourself. If someone has a disbelief that GOD doesn't exist, then why does that someone vigorously defend that disbelief?
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                  Why didn't you just edit, three post, or were you just commenting to yourself. If someone has a disbelief that GOD doesn't exist, then why does that someone vigorously defend that disbelief?
                    Happy Easter!
                    I have no answer; that's just the way I did it. sorry. I will be more succinct from now on. A disbelief that god does not exist means that god exists; you trip over your logic, which is understandable. And I am not defending my beliefs or lack of them; just expressing them. And you've not seen vigorous; I am only at firm and content. Happy Easter to you as well. I am proud of you for not replying with some nonsense like "I have a dog that speaks ancient Hebrew" or something similarly irrelevant. Give yourself an Easter commendation with oak cluster.

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                    billy.pilgrim wrote:
                    Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:56 pm
                    neoplacebo wrote:
                    Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:27 pm
                    I truly wish your logic held water (from anywhere) in which case there would be no trump; only the absence of honesty and integrity and decency.


                    at least he's funny
                    very much so; obviously funny.

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                    billy.pilgrim wrote:
                    Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:57 pm
                    Only you can answer that one
                    :lol: S/he will never get it.

                    Edit: neoplacebo explained it, something I was considering.

                    "disbelief that GOD doesn't exist" = belief in god. Therefore, only 1 FAT CAN can answer why "does ... someone vigorously defend that disbelief". My guess is insecure defensiveness.

                    Why hasn't 1 FAT CAN's god led her/him to ESL and Logic classes?
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                    billy.pilgrim wrote:
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                    at least he's funny
                    very much so; obviously funny.
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                    billy.pilgrim wrote:
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                    at least he's funny
                      Be patient, Auburn's football season will begin soon enough.

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                      billy.pilgrim wrote:
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                      at least he's funny
                        Be patient, Auburn's football season will begin soon enough.
                        Ah, you've absolved yourself (and us) from Pearl. Like I noted before, football is the absence of basketball, but we still have baseball (the absence of football) season to suffer through. If I were a baseball player I would read books during the seventh inning stretch. And I know about Patience; it's my granddaughter's name. She's only ten years old so we don't discuss religion or politics but she's already in advanced placement status in school so I expect that before I die we will have such opportunities.

                        I was going to go ahead and make another post about this but after your reprimand will do so in this one. There is no way in hell that you're a law enforcement officer; I know this because of your lack of reaction to my invitation for you to attempt to arrest me for lying to you and my admission that I would do so to your face. A real cop would go ballistic about this and accept the invitation. Swing and a miss.

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                        Patience, that's a good name. Tell me, when did you come to your conclusion that GOD doesn't exist and what line of events lead to your conclusion.

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                        The existence of various gods has been the subject of centuries of theological and philosophical thought. I prefer the ontological definition set forth by Anselm of Canterbury about a thousand years ago. He argued that god is the power than which cannot be thought. Basically, when you have imagined the greatest power you can, then the step after that must be god. Over centuries, humans' understanding of the universe they live in has moved the definition along a lot, but obviously there is always more in the infinity.

                        You might want to consider also, that declining to be an adherent of a given religion does not automatically make a person an "atheist." F'rinstance, I'd be willing to bet that you've decided that a lot of gods don't exist. Declining to participate in any organized religion does not mean one has determined that god does not exist, not that anybody could determine that one way of the other anyway. Religions are based around shifting semantics that are not bound by any logic or evidence. That's why you can't answer the questions about God creating a hurricane and then selectively saving some individuals as a personal favor to someone who asked.

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                        Patience, that's a good name. Tell me, when did you come to your conclusion that GOD doesn't exist and what line of events lead to your conclusion.
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                        The fact that initially the Church was pretty much inseparable from the king, or the ruling class, and vehemently against any progress in science or art or literature or anything else that went against their dogma is something I learned by reading the history of religion. As I pondered this, and recognized that Christianity is not the only religion (there are more people on this planet that believe in a religion other than Christianity than those that adhere to Christianity) it just made me wonder; well, who is right? As I got further into it and realized that religion has been the biggest obstacle to the progress of mankind, I just couldn't understand why this would be. In ancient times, priests were the only ones who could read or write and this gave them power; power that they did not want to give up or share. I think it was only about twenty years ago that the Catholic church pardoned or absolved Galileo for his scientific observations; at the time, they were considered blasphemy. When the Protestant Reformation and the split from the Catholic church occurred, nothing really changed; it was just more of the same, just without an earthly representative of god (a pope). same as it ever was, if you will. As I got older and became more aware of biological and astronomical concepts, I just could not accept that the concept of life after death (the concept of heaven and hell) was just not tenable. And the Christian religion is one in which you either accept all of it or none of it......I reject the concepts of original sin (how could anyone who witnesses the birth of their child believe such a thing?) life after death, the renunciation of life itself in the promise of something better after death, etc. I just could not accept it, and I am not the only one. I consider the basic tenets of Christianity (like the ten commandments) to be honorable and I honor them but reject the orthodoxy that goes along with it. The fact is not disputed that organized religion has been the cause of more human misery than anything else that has ever happened throughout history; I renounce it absolutely and consider it basically a crutch for believers to make themselves feel better for whatever they wish to regret or forget. I don't need that. And I stand firm in my belief that man created god; not the other way around. I am not militant about it and do not care at all that others are devout or semi devout or pseudo devout. They all know this in their own heart. I ask no favor and give none.

                        Just today I was reading a book about American history and a passage that was a quote from Thomas Jefferson stuck with me; he said that he did not care if his neighbor believed in one god or twenty gods; that it did not pick his pocket or break his leg. Tolerance, brother.
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                        1 CAT FAN wrote:
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                        Tell me, when did you come to your conclusion that GOD doesn't exist and what line of events lead to your conclusion.
                        Hey 1 CAT FAN, I happened upon this; it fits you perfectly!

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                        O Really wrote:
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                        ... You might want to consider also, that declining to be an adherent of a given religion does not automatically make a person an "atheist." F'rinstance, I'd be willing to bet that you've decided that a lot of gods don't exist. Declining to participate in any organized religion does not mean one has determined that god does not exist, not that anybody could determine that one way of the other anyway. Religions are based around shifting semantics that are not bound by any logic or evidence. That's why you can't answer the questions about God creating a hurricane and then selectively saving some individuals as a personal favor to someone who asked.
                        With thousands of religions worshiping thousands of gods, every believer is heathen/infidel/idolatrous/profane to all but one of them, and odds are great that they are correct.
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                        Leo Lyons wrote:
                        Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:06 pm
                        1 CAT FAN wrote:
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                        Tell me, when did you come to your conclusion that GOD doesn't exist and what line of events lead to your conclusion.
                        Hey 1 CAT FAN, I happened upon this; it fits you perfectly!

                        NEVER REGRET BEING A GOOD PERSON TO THE WRONG PEOPLE --
                        YOUR KINDNESS SHOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU --
                        THEIR BEHAVIOR SAYS EVERYTHING ABOUT THEM.
                        How do you know who the wrong people are? Because someone else tells you who they are or because you think you're the right people?

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