Gun Legislation

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I wouldn't want to make too much out of possibly over-stated articles, but it does look like the NRA has some serious issues. That probably belongs in the "Good News" thread. They're ridden one horse of fear-mongering for years without providing any additional services of value to the non-droolers.
Their money has come from fear-mongering and their phony insurance scams. Invincible as they have been for a while, it's still pretty much a house of cards. It'll be nice to see them crash if they do.

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It gets worse:

NRA infighting reveals CEO used $440,000 in donor money for fancy suits, luxury travel (and more revelations)

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Concealed Carry License Holder, 41, Defends Himself Against Attempted Carjacking - The Chicago Tribune reports: “When the man in the BMW got out to check the damage to his vehicle, police have said, the other driver pulled a weapon, announced a carjacking, demanded the man’s keys and shoved the man into the BMW, where he was able to retrieve his own gun from an area on the passenger side of the car and fatally shoot the man in the head.”
According to the report, the 22-year-old who was killed at the scene was identified as Lonell Irvin by the Cook County medical examiner’s office.
Officer Jessica Rocco, speaking on behalf of the Chicago Police Department, said the 41-year-old gun owner acted well within his rights to protect himself and his belongings, “He was a concealed carry holder, so he was legally able to have that gun, and he was the victim.” https://www.governorpalin.org/2019/05/0 ... DCA1jwlIBg

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https://www.governorpalin.org. ????

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Says all I need to know about 1Felixthecatfan.

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Do you have a concealed weapon permit?

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STEM School Highlands Ranch, CO shooting - Yet more notches for the NRA's easy access to guns and persuasion that they are the solution to life's problems.

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Concealed Carry License Holder, 41, Defends Himself Against Attempted Carjacking - The Chicago Tribune reports: “When the man in the BMW got out to check the damage to his vehicle, police have said, the other driver pulled a weapon, announced a carjacking, demanded the man’s keys and shoved the man into the BMW, where he was able to retrieve his own gun from an area on the passenger side of the car and fatally shoot the man in the head.”
According to the report, the 22-year-old who was killed at the scene was identified as Lonell Irvin by the Cook County medical examiner’s office.
Officer Jessica Rocco, speaking on behalf of the Chicago Police Department, said the 41-year-old gun owner acted well within his rights to protect himself and his belongings, “He was a concealed carry holder, so he was legally able to have that gun, and he was the victim.” https://www.governorpalin.org/2019/05/0 ... DCA1jwlIBg

I will guess the BMW guy will get rid of the car now; I would. It's probably a mess of brain matter, blood, and bone fragments even if the window was down. I don't think I would even keep the gun after I killed someone with it. And as far as I know, you don't need a concealed carry permit to have a gun in your car, but I'm not a gun enthusiast so am not sure about that. I recommend a bazooka for urban driving; no need for concealment. ok

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I hear ya Neo, preferably with a sunroof in the vehicle.

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Good for brain and blood-splattered BMW guy, but owning INCREASES the danger to the owner and family, not decreases it.
What Researchers Learned About Gun Violence Before Congress Killed Funding
http://www.propublica.org/article/what- ... ed-funding

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"Better to be judged by 12, than carried by 6."

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More guns mean more gun murders. Here's how we know.

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Good for brain and blood-splattered BMW guy, but owning INCREASES the danger to the owner and family, not decreases it.
What Researchers Learned About Gun Violence Before Congress Killed Funding
http://www.propublica.org/article/what- ... ed-funding

No doubt having weapons around increases the odds of being killed by them. I've never owned a gun, never had a desire to own one; in fact, the biggest reason I don't have one is I fear I might use it on myself. However, in the instance of the BMW driver, I would prefer that I prevail over my assailant; not necessarily killing him but having the ability to do so I expect is better than being shot and maybe killed for your car. Maybe the BMW guy could have placed the end of the barrel to the assailants forehead and observed a moment of silence in an effort to extricate himself from the situation, but typically in this type of situation, events move quite rapidly so that may not have worked. I guess the thing is that if you bring a gun to your chosen endeavor, be advised the object of your endeavor may also have one. This whole situation is probably a statistical outlier; the carjack guy didn't expect anyone but him to have a gun; probably 95% of the time when a bad guy pulls a gun he gets what he wants; the other 5% of the time, he dies or is badly injured. Tough shit for five percenters I guess.

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Good for brain and blood-splattered BMW guy, but owning INCREASES the danger to the owner and family, not decreases it.
What Researchers Learned About Gun Violence Before Congress Killed Funding
http://www.propublica.org/article/what- ... ed-funding

Tough shit for five percenters I guess.

Indeed.

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Ammosexuals commonly cite defensive uses of guns. They’re especially enamored with John Lott, Jr. and his junk science.
He's a shill for the uber-right American Enterprise Institute.
His “research” was funded by the NRA.
He’s been caught praising himself with sock puppets, pitiful.
His claims about defensive gun use have been trashed by the experts, but one doesn’t need to be a scientist to do so. OBVIOUSLY, his surveys relied on self-reporting by frightened gun freaks that can’t know what would have happened if they’d employed alternative strategies. No controls = junk science. For example, every gangbanger claims to use his gun defensively. That’s whose side the gunhuggers are on.
His research is fraught with coding errors that he tried and failed at covering up.
Once the data is honestly examined, his results are not statistically significant.
Other supposed data mysteriously disappeared in a hard drive crash, the adult version of “My dog ate my homework.”
He even fails very basic math.
He fails proof of causation.
https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/John_Lott
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lott#Controversy

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Better to have a firearm than not when confronted with a armed perpetrator who intends to lay you to waste.

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The Geography of Gun Deaths

... economist Richard Florida dove deep into the correlations between gun deaths and other kinds of social indicators. Some of what he found was, perhaps, unexpected: Higher populations, more stress, more immigrants, and more mental illness were not correlated with more deaths from gun violence. But one thing he found was, perhaps, perfectly predictable: States with tighter gun control laws appear to have fewer gun-related deaths. The disclaimer here is that correlation is not causation. But correlations can be suggestive:



“The map overlays the map of firearm deaths above with gun control restrictions by state,” explains Florida. “It highlights states which have one of three gun control restrictions in place – assault weapons’ bans, trigger locks, or safe storage requirements. Firearm deaths are significantly lower in states with stricter gun control legislation. Though the sample sizes are small, we find substantial negative correlations between firearm deaths and states that ban assault weapons (-.45), require trigger locks (-.42), and mandate safe storage requirements for guns (-.48).”

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Found: "Gundamentalist"

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Show me a graph with abortion deaths vs gun deaths.

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Records: 9-year-old boy charged in mother's shooting death

“The only thing that will stop a bad 9-year-old with a gun is a good 9-year-old with a gun.”
— NRA

[O Really]

Show me a graph with abortion deaths vs gun deaths.

Yeah, that's relevant. While you're at it, show us automobile accident deaths, cancer deaths, miscarriages, drownings, starvations, and throw in old age for good measure. All totally related to gun deaths.