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Fri Aug 23, 2024 10:37 am
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National treasure.

https://x.com/TheDailyShow/status/1826953007365345418
:thumbup: :clap: I thought last night was particularly laden with militaristic jingoism and they had the mass flag waving in case the point wasn't clear.

Yep, no Palestinian voice. A smattering of speakers took the "radical" position of calling for an immediate ceasefire, but I didn't hear one person suggest an arms embargo, not one :angry-banghead:
I'm still on the fence on that. Is there really such a thing as defensive arms only? Patriot missiles are one but I'm not aware of others.
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:thumbup: :clap: I thought last night was particularly laden with militaristic jingoism and they had the mass flag waving in case the point wasn't clear.

Yep, no Palestinian voice. A smattering of speakers took the "radical" position of calling for an immediate ceasefire, but I didn't hear one person suggest an arms embargo, not one :angry-banghead:
I'm still on the fence on that. Is there really such a thing as defensive arms only? Patriot missiles are one but I'm not aware of others.
Very few. An arms embargo would have to be near total. Of course, it would be temporary, just until the mass Gaza killing ends.

Anyhow, it's part of the national debate and the debate within the Democratic Party. It should have at least been voiced.
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I can't believe we sat through 4 days on C-Span, about 5:00 - 9:00PDT, didn't get bored or tired of it, and will probably miss it tonight. It was a happy, uplifting event, sort of reminding me of all the casino ads where there are lots of people dressed to the nines, laughing, eating, drinking, and raking in money.

REM had a song about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYOKMUTTDdA

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Fri Aug 23, 2024 11:40 am
I can't believe we sat through 4 days on C-Span, about 5:00 - 9:00PDT, didn't get bored or tired of it, and will probably miss it tonight. It was a happy, uplifting event, sort of reminding me of all the casino ads where there are lots of people dressed to the nines, laughing, eating, drinking, and raking in money.

REM had a song about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYOKMUTTDdA
I guessed it was that song before I clicked on the link.

I was saturated.

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I was saturated.

What's next?
Does Highland Park have one of these?

Probably not, safe state.
WNC Democrats rally at DNC finale watch party; local leaders report rise in volunteering

On Thursday, Aug. 22, the 2024 Democratic National Convention wrapped up in Chicago.

Dozens of local supporters gathered for a watch party at the new Harris-Walz coordinated campaign field office of Henderson County.
"Dozens"? "field office of Henderson County"? Damn, they must have some money.
... Local Democratic leaders say the support seen on this night is part of a larger trend.

Caleb Rudow, the representative for North Carolina's 116th District, says the party has seen an increase in volunteer activity following Kamala Harris's arrival at the top of the ticket....

There were over 300 events hosted by the North Carolina coordinated campaigns across the state this week. They included new office openings, canvas launches, phone banks and volunteer training.
"300 events"? Wow, lots of money.

MSNBC just now: "Harris may be slightly ahead in NC."
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North Carolina emerges as battleground state in the presidential race

... Eric Heberlig, a political science professor at UNC Charlotte, said few states are going to be competitive, and North Carolina is one of them. He said that we've already seen proof of that with Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump making multiple campaign stops in The Tar Heel State.

Heberlig said North Carolina is critical for Republicans because their chances of getting to 270 electoral college votes without winning here are slim.

"The Democrats can get to 270 without North Carolina as Joe Biden did in 2020, but certainly having North Carolina would give them more flexibility," he explained....

State Sen. Julie Mayfield is serving as a delegate and described the convention has an electric atmosphere. She expressed excitement over Gov. Roy Cooper being given a primary speaking slot.

"Introducing Kamala Harris so -- that's a huge honor for Governor Cooper, and a huge honor for North Carolina," she expressed.

She said that North Carolina is truly the center of this election.

"The math says that Donald Trump cannot win the White House unless he wins North Carolina," she said....
GoNCGo!!! :happy-cheerleaderkid:

FYI, now that it's Harris-Walz y'all no longer need to bribe me for my Dem vote ;)
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Does Highland Park have one of these?

:lol:
Not much need in Illinois, especially in Highland Park. If I do any volunteering it will be to canvas in Wisconsin.

That Hendersonville DNC office has existed forever. It used to be on Greenville Highway, but it probably just isn't used to actual publicity (especially if you weren't aware of it :shock: ).

Looks like they moved.
1216 6th Avenue W., Suite 600 Hendersonville, NC 28739
https://www.myhcdp.com/


NC is officially purple, your vote matters!

Edit: yeah, they've got a much bigger and nicer digs.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/XS28Hf4jdfJFet1T6
1216 US-64
https://maps.app.goo.gl/9NDk7iH1A13QbqjH7?g_st=ac
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There may be some on the right getting a tad bit worried.

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Fri Aug 23, 2024 1:46 pm
:lol:
Not much need in Illinois, especially in Highland Park. If I do any volunteering it will be to canvas in Wisconsin.

That Hendersonville DNC office has existed forever. It used to be on Greenville Highway, but it probably just isn't used to actual publicity (especially if you weren't aware of it :shock: ).

Looks like they moved.
1216 6th Avenue W., Suite 600 Hendersonville, NC 28739
https://www.myhcdp.com/

NC is officially purple, your vote matters!

Edit: yeah, they've got a much bigger and nicer digs.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/XS28Hf4jdfJFet1T6
1216 US-64
https://maps.app.goo.gl/9NDk7iH1A13QbqjH7?g_st=ac
Okay, but they're calling it the "Harris-Walz coordinated campaign field office of Henderson County." Couldn't fit all that on the sign ;)

Quite close to me :thumbup:
RCP Average 7/24 - 8/21
Trump (R) 47.2
Harris (D) 46.3
spread Trump +0.9
The more recent polls have swung slightly to Harris :clap:
Thousands of ads between now and the election, they're already a pain. :thumbdown:

Shower thought: Harris will be in Pence's role and may have to certify her own election. I can hear the DonOLD/MAGA screeching now - Unfair. The fix is in!
She can't hand it down the line of succession because who knows what SINO the johnson would do.
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Shower thought: Harris will be in Pence's role and may have to certify her own election. I can hear the DonOLD/MAGA screeching now - Unfair. The fix is in!
She can't hand it down the line of succession because who knows what SINO the johnson would do.
OMG, that's great!

Al Gore will be smiling! :happy-cheerleaderkid:

I'm stealing that and posting on LNF. It'll drive the wingnuts insane!
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Fri Aug 23, 2024 2:31 pm

Shower thought: Harris will be in Pence's role and may have to certify her own election. I can hear the DonOLD/MAGA screeching now - Unfair. The fix is in!
She can't hand it down the line of succession because who knows what SINO the johnson would do.
OMG, that's great!

Al Gore will be smiling! :happy-cheerleaderkid:

I'm stealing that and posting on LNF. It'll drive the wingnuts insane!
Post a link, please.

Another thought: A Kamala win will be bittersweet for Hillary. I suspect and hope more sweet than bitter, especially with beating campaign finance felon TRE45QN. I hope she and Bill live long enough, maybe even long enough for a reelection.
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Quite close to me :thumbup:
RCP Average 7/24 - 8/21
Trump (R) 47.2
Harris (D) 46.3
spread Trump +0.9
The more recent polls have swung slightly to Harris :clap:
Thousands of ads between now and the election, they're already a pain. :thumbdown:

It's may be closer than that. They include Trafalgar +4 trump which is notoriously right leaning.
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I'm still on the fence on that. Is there really such a thing as defensive arms only? Patriot missiles are one but I'm not aware of others.
Very few. An arms embargo would have to be near total. Of course, it would be temporary, just until the mass Gaza killing ends.

Anyhow, it's part of the national debate and the debate within the Democratic Party. It should have at least been voiced.
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It's different if you're really in charge from when you can pretend to be. I say if I were in charge, I'd have called up nuttyahoo and said something like "Netty, you remember all those weapons and money we've been sending you? Want some more? Stop the attacks. Stop them now - this afternoon. Claim your "victory" and walk away. AFTER you've done that, we'll talk about more goodies."

However, it's a far more complex issue that I can pretend to make it, and potential for lots of unexpected and unwanted consequences. I would have been happy to hear some of the speakers call for "increased pressure" on Israel, to express disapproval of what they're doing, etc., but I don't think it would have benefitted Kamala's election (which is what the convention is about) to let a bomb-throwing loose cannon be a speaker.

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Good policy doesn't equal good politics, especially in an election year.
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Word on the street is RFK jr. Is going to drop out and endorse Trump 😱
I fucking knew that dickhead would drop out right after the DNC.

https://apnews.com/article/rfk-jr-trump ... 574ca17d45

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Whack9 wrote:
Fri Aug 23, 2024 3:42 pm
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Thu Aug 22, 2024 11:45 am
Word on the street is RFK jr. Is going to drop out and endorse Trump 😱
I fucking knew that dickhead would drop out right after the DNC.

https://apnews.com/article/rfk-jr-trump ... 574ca17d45
It blows my mind that anyone would consider voting for him in the first place.
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GoCubsGo wrote:I'm still on the fence on that. Is there really such a thing as defensive arms only? Patriot missiles are one but I'm not aware of others.
Very few. An arms embargo would have to be near total. Of course, it would be temporary, just until the mass Gaza killing ends.

Anyhow, it's part of the national debate and the debate within the Democratic Party. It should have at least been voiced.
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Fri Aug 23, 2024 3:14 pm
It's different if you're really in charge from when you can pretend to be. I say if I were in charge, I'd have called up nuttyahoo and said something like "Netty, you remember all those weapons and money we've been sending you? Want some more? Stop the attacks. Stop them now - this afternoon. Claim your "victory" and walk away. AFTER you've done that, we'll talk about more goodies."

However, it's a far more complex issue that I can pretend to make it, and potential for lots of unexpected and unwanted consequences. I would have been happy to hear some of the speakers call for "increased pressure" on Israel, to express disapproval of what they're doing, etc., but I don't think it would have benefited Kamala's election (which is what the convention is about) to let a bomb-throwing loose cannon be a speaker.
Formatting/attribution fixed.

It wouldn't have to be a "bomb-throwing loose cannon". After all, AOC supports an arms embargo, but some deal was cut to preclude her saying so. Differing opinions can be expressed respectfully, and I'm not sure that suppressing that perspective benefits Kamala's election. Michigan may be the price. How many more atrocities has Israel now been given free rein to commit?
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FWIW, 538 has the spread much higher than RCP.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/po ... /national/
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2024 Texas General Election: Trump vs Biden
RCP Average 3/18 - 7/1
Trump (R) 50.0
Biden (D) 40.8
spread Trump +9.2

:roll: I keep waiting for Texas' predicted blue shift :think:
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Thu Aug 22, 2024 10:12 am
The Texas electorate is shifting, but not very quickly.

Don't hold your breath.
Shock poll shows Trump's lead slashed in red state

In June, the gap between Trump and President Joe Biden was nine points, according to the same pollster. It comes as Harris has taken a lead over Trump in many national and state polls since Biden ended his reelection campaign last month.

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:shock: Let me know when I can hold my breath.

RCP doesn't have any Trump-Harris TX polls yet. 538, same poll plus an earlier one showing a 6% gap:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/po ... 024/texas/
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Shocker of the day.🙄

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