Four out of five Americans don’t trust GOP

[bannination]

Oil prices are still below their 2008 peak.

You still imagine that anyone was discussing Wall Street confidence being the cause of the dramatic climb in the stock market when all that's been mentioned is results. The stock market does not say, "A Dem is in office, let's be stronger." It and the economy are just consistently stronger when a Dem is POTUS. If there is any Wall Street confidence in Democrats it's based on the historical record.

Are you being "intentionally obtuse", mwearl, or are you really just that obtuse?

Use a little imagination. I'm being metaphoric not literal. I just don't believe Wall Street skyrocketed during the last few years because of anything Obama or Congress did.Which direction do you think the stock market usually goes after a crash? And which direction do you think it goes after it soars to an over valuation (like it is now)?

Why do you think it's over valued right now? The P/E is fine, and corporations are making record profits.

[Bungalow Bill]

When it comes to political scandals of the sexual, financial, or miscellaneous
kind, things seem to pretty much even out between the two parties. I really
don't trust either party that much, but there's not much the average citizen
can do about that.

Obama got a bit of a break when the Iraqis refused to let U.S. troops stay there
if they had immunity to prosecution by Iraqi authorities. If that didn't happen, we
might still be stuck there.

Remember back in the old BRN days when the wingnuts would blame Obama every
time the stock market took a small dip? And when the market starting heading up.
Silence.

[mwearl]

You back track. Neoplacebo literally said "There's a confidence aspect to the stock market. .."

Oil prices are still below their 2008 peak.

...Are you being "intentionally obtuse", mwearl, or are you really just that obtuse?

Use a little imagination.

Okay, you really are that obtuse.

I'm being metaphoric not literal.

Backtrack, you have literally posted that we're claiming it's a confidence thing when no one has said that yet.

I just don't believe Wall Street skyrocketed during the last few years because of anything Obama or Congress did.

Of course you don't, it would rattle your dogma. I'm sure you believe that it's just coincidence that the stock market and the economy are consistently stronger when other Dems are POTUS, too.

Which direction do you think the stock market usually goes after a crash?

We were still crashing when Obama took office. As you've already pointed out - did you forget already? - it could have gotten worse or better.

And which direction do you think it goes after it soars to an over valuation (like it is now)?

I see, your dogma now is that Obama has made the stock market too strong. Please keep trumpeting that through November and 2016.

Now, about your misreading of the article with your OP here - your bizarre claim that just 27% of Americans trusting the Dems is "many"?

[mwearl]

You are correct that most did blame Obama. But they also blamed Bush and people can't have it both ways. I consistently maintained that the stock market performs one way or the other despite what a president does. Wall street might use comments and policies as an excuse to buy or sell to take profits, but those are blips that mean nothing. The big players are so heavily vested in foreign markets and shorting stocks, I doubt they care much about our economy at all. And as long as Shorting stocks is legal (which in my opinion it shouldn't be), people like Soros will exploit our economy for personal gain either way.

When it comes to political scandals of the sexual, financial, or miscellaneous
kind, things seem to pretty much even out between the two parties. I really
don't trust either party that much, but there's not much the average citizen
can do about that.

Obama got a bit of a break when the Iraqis refused to let U.S. troops stay there
if they had immunity to prosecution by Iraqi authorities. If that didn't happen, we
might still be stuck there.

Remember back in the old BRN days when the wingnuts would blame Obama every
time the stock market took a small dip? And when the market starting heading up.
Silence.

[neoplacebo]

Good to know you've got that economic stuff under your belt. I myself don't much worry about shorting stocks or even sorting socks. I remain secure in the knowledge that my diamond mines are doing fine. They give me that "intrinsic value" that's hard to find these days.

[mwearl]

Nice deflection on you claiming that nobody said, what somebody indeed said. A simple sorry would suffice. The rest is tripe to obscure that fact.

You back track. Neoplacebo literally said "There's a confidence aspect to the stock market. .."

Well duh, everyone knows that confidence affects the stock market. What neither he nor anyone else has said, despite your repeated attacks on the straw man you created, is that the doubling of the stock market to record levels from Shrub to Obama is just because of confidence in the Dems. Rather, it's the result of Obama and the Dems pulling us back from the precipice that Shrub and the GOP led us to. Confidence has its place but it's largely dependent on and generally outweighed by performance, and Obama and the Dems have outperformed Shrub and the GOP just as Dem POTUSes have outperformed the GOP, on average, since WWII. You can spew your denialist dogma all you want, I'll stick with hard data.

Now, about your misreading of the article with your OP here - your bizarre claim that just 27% of Americans trusting the Dems is "many"?

[Mr.B]

"We miss you, mwearl+. What's up with the "+"....."

"Damn you're illiterate."

Boy howdy! That sugar coating wore off in a hurry, didn't it?!
It don't pay to get too friendly 'round these parts!

[Mr.B]

"It did with his worldwide climate change conspiracy. This thread has just been dumb on his part from his very first post."

Like I said...."It don't pay to get too friendly 'round these parts!"

[mwearl]

Vrede doesn't like being wrong. Doubling down, eh? Resorting to calling my posts dumb is all the proof I needed. I'm not interested in your spinning of words. You either don't understand my point or you like twisting things to infer that I don't get the point. Either way doesn't matter.

Just in case you think you ran me off, I kinda go off grid with Facebook and groups like this for the month of February, so feel free to vilify my point of view while I'm gone. I'll try to set you straight in March

[Mr.B]

Twisting words & thoughts, goading, baiting, trolling, same 'ol, same 'ol......I wonder what he/she's like in real life.

[Bungalow Bill]

Wasn't it Foolgle who was always preaching that the stock market is a
barometer of the amount of confidence in the future of the economy.
That might be too simplistic, but there is likely some truth to that idea.
And like the general economy, presidents are usually given some credit
for where the market is, even if they don't have a lot to do with it.

[bannination]

Yeah, according Foolgle the Fall 2008 plummet was because of the prospect of Obama. No doubt the record levels now are because of the prospect of a GOP POTUS in 2017.

Not a POTUS alone, but the full weight of the Congress he works with or not and the people s/he appoints including the Fed chief and all the things those appointees do has major impact.

According to ThisisGene we were going into the next great depression with dire warnings about pulling your money out of the stock market..... cause this is the end......

I certainly hope he pulled his out.

[neoplacebo]

Wasn't it Foolgle who was always preaching that the stock market is a
barometer of the amount of confidence in the future of the economy.
That might be too simplistic, but there is likely some truth to that idea.
And like the general economy, presidents are usually given some credit
for where the market is, even if they don't have a lot to do with it.

If he said that, it's the only statement he ever made with even a trace of truth or sincerity to it. He's a bigger dumbass than Mark Meadows can ever hope to be.

[Boatrocker]

Yeah, according Foolgle the Fall 2008 plummet was because of the prospect of Obama. No doubt the record levels now are because of the prospect of a GOP POTUS in 2017.

Not a POTUS alone, but the full weight of the Congress he works with or not and the people s/he appoints including the Fed chief and all the things those appointees do has major impact.

According to ThisisGene we were going into the next great depression with dire warnings about pulling your money out of the stock market..... cause this is the end......

I certainly hope he pulled his out.

His money from the stock market, or his head from his ass?