Four out of five Americans don’t trust GOP

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http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/four-o ... -trust-gop

Apparently the ones that still trust them hang out at cpf.

[neoplacebo]

80%. I figured it'd be more like 88. Oh, well.

[mwearl]

The scariest part of that is how many DO trust the Democrats. What exactly have they done to instill any confidence? There should be very little trust to either party at this point.

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The scariest part of that is how many DO trust the Democrats. What exactly have they done to instill any confidence? There should be very little trust to either party at this point.

Yes, please don't mistake my posting of the story as to imply I do trust democrats. However I do trust democrats more than republicans in that they do throw "normal" people a bone once in a while. We'd probably have single payer healthcare if not for republican idiocy.

[neoplacebo]

The scariest part of that is how many DO trust the Democrats. What exactly have they done to instill any confidence? There should be very little trust to either party at this point.

Well, let's see.....a stupid war was ended, at least as far as our participation in it goes (we get to enjoy the mess we've made for decades to come), the stock market has more than doubled in the last 7 years or so, Osama is dead. Those things come to mind right off. I don't mean to infer that I "trust" Democrats, but I sure as hell can see what the "other side" has done in the same time interval, and, well, it doesn't shine much at all.

[mwearl]

The scariest part of that is how many DO trust the Democrats. What exactly have they done to instill any confidence? There should be very little trust to either party at this point.

Well, let's see.....a stupid war was ended, at least as far as our participation in it goes (we get to enjoy the mess we've made for decades to come), the stock market has more than doubled in the last 7 years or so, Osama is dead. Those things come to mind right off. I don't mean to infer that I "trust" Democrats, but I sure as hell can see what the "other side" has done in the same time interval, and, well, it doesn't shine much at all.

The war had to wind down at some point. Obama ran on ending it quickly if elected. He didn't. He ran on closing Gitmo, quickly. He didn't. The stock market doesn't play by Democrat or Republican rules. It was either up or down was the end of this country. No points go to either side. Osama being dead. It happened on Obama's watch. I'll throw him a bone for that one. Healthcare is more expensive than ever, the policies are all screwed up and little of the expected participation has occurred. We haven't seen the aftermath, but we will and that will be enough to trump anything you think is so much better than what little (to nothing) the Republicans have done.

[mwearl]

The war had to wind down at some point. Obama ran on ending it quickly if elected. He didn't.

Iraq - he adhered to the negotiated timeline.
Afghanistan - he never "ran on ending it quickly if elected."

He ran on closing Gitmo, quickly. He didn't.

He tried and was stopped by Congress. Are you really moaning because he's not a dictator?

The stock market doesn't play by Democrat or Republican rules.

Yes it does, consistently higher since WWII with a Dem POTUS.

It was either up or down was the end of this country. No points go to either side...

It was looking like "the end of this country" thanks to Shrub and the GOP. You're like a Russian ice skating judge.

You like to use clever phrases like negotiated timeline. That's not what I said. HE RAN on... I don't believe you naive enough to believe the stock market gives two hoots whether Democrats or Republicans are in office. Intentionally obtuse to see who buys it maybe.

[neoplacebo]

There's a confidence aspect to the stock market. There's also a reality aspect to the stock market. Didn't you know that?

[neoplacebo]

Are those clever phrases? If so, it's only coincidence.

[mwearl]

There's a confidence aspect to the stock market. There's also a reality aspect to the stock market. Didn't you know that?

And from what planet do you both believe that Wall Street claims to have more confidence in Democrats than Republicans when it comes to policy?

[neoplacebo]

I didn't say anything about Democrats; just confidence and reality. In case you don't know, the US currency (the dollar) is no longer backed up with anything of intrinsic value like gold or silver....like it used to be. That changes things....our money is only worth the "belief" or "faith" in it. The GOP a few months ago was apparently willing to put the "full faith and credit of the United States" which is the only thing our money, the dollar, is worth, in danger. To my way of thinking, anyone who would do that does not deserve my trust, or even my recognition of their existence.

[homerfobe]

Four out of five Americans don’t trust GOP. Those four are Democrats. Five out of five Democrats don't trust other Democrats.
Five out of five Americans don't trust anyone in Washington.

[mwearl]

mwearl, Obama ceased combat operations in Iraq in less than 2 years. Did you really think that "ending it quickly" would be faster than that or that it should have been?

You are confused, the stock market does not say, "A Dem is in office, let's be stronger." It and the economy are just consistently stronger when a Dem is POTUS. If there is any Wall Street confidence in Democrats it's based on the historical record.

Now, about all that support for Dems that you misread the article as claiming existed? Why are you avoiding that "obtuse" flub?

I'm not confused at all, but now I'm convinced you are being intentionally obtuse.

[neoplacebo]

I suspect you're confused and don't realize it. That's confused to the second power. Awful.

[mwearl]

I suspect you're confused and don't realize it. That's confused to the second power. Awful.

You mean as in there are things we don't know that we don't know? Can't say that it's impossible, but I see a lot of financial guys and Krugman is about the only one that gets on TV and says Obama is great for Wall Street. Ups and Downs prove nothing. These guys run the market, take the proceeds and cash out. They're like Honey Badger with presidents. They don't give a sh*t.

[neoplacebo]

I suspect you're confused and don't realize it. That's confused to the second power. Awful.

You mean as in there are things we don't know that we don't know? Can't say that it's impossible, but I see a lot of financial guys and Krugman is about the only one that gets on TV and says Obama is great for Wall Street. Ups and Downs prove nothing. These guys run the market, take the proceeds and cash out. They're like Honey Badger with presidents. They don't give a sh*t.

I don't mean anything, but don't run that Rumsfeldian bullshit on me. I still think you're confused, though. The more you write, the more I'm convinced. Look at your 401k balance from about 2007 and look at it now. Are you still confused? Keep the faith, baby.

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The scariest part of that is how many DO trust the Democrats. What exactly have they done to instill any confidence? There should be very little trust to either party at this point.

Well, let's see.....a stupid war was ended, at least as far as our participation in it goes (we get to enjoy the mess we've made for decades to come), the stock market has more than doubled in the last 7 years or so, Osama is dead. Those things come to mind right off. I don't mean to infer that I "trust" Democrats, but I sure as hell can see what the "other side" has done in the same time interval, and, well, it doesn't shine much at all.

The war had to wind down at some point. Obama ran on ending it quickly if elected. He didn't. He ran on closing Gitmo, quickly. He didn't. The stock market doesn't play by Democrat or Republican rules. It was either up or down was the end of this country. No points go to either side. Osama being dead. It happened on Obama's watch. I'll throw him a bone for that one. Healthcare is more expensive than ever, the policies are all screwed up and little of the expected participation has occurred. We haven't seen the aftermath, but we will and that will be enough to trump anything you think is so much better than what little (to nothing) the Republicans have done.

Actually, the stock market has a trend in democratic presidents favor. I've held by that and made.... well.... good $$$. Republicans blocked shutting down Gitmo btw.

You can bet if it looks like we're getting a Republican president I'll be moving stocks over into safer investments.

[mwearl]

I suspect you're confused and don't realize it. That's confused to the second power. Awful.

You mean as in there are things we don't know that we don't know? Can't say that it's impossible, but I see a lot of financial guys and Krugman is about the only one that gets on TV and says Obama is great for Wall Street. Ups and Downs prove nothing. These guys run the market, take the proceeds and cash out. They're like Honey Badger with presidents. They don't give a sh*t.

I don't mean anything, but don't run that Rumsfeldian bullshit on me. I still think you're confused, though. The more you write, the more I'm convinced. Look at your 401k balance from about 2007 and look at it now. Are you still confused? Keep the faith, baby.

401K? What do you think I'm rich or something? Yeah my oil stocks did quite nice. Obama wanted to see oil prices skyrocket, so those stocks did great. Now with mandatory insurance, I'm sure the insurance companies are really racking it up. Should have invested in that too. Sold Apple and made a nice chunk but got out too early and missed an even bigger chunk.

But in all seriousness, you really think the Wall Street power brokers thought, "Damn, I like where Obama's taking this economy?" The next bubble is coming regardless of whether the next president stays Obama's course (Democrat) or we get a Republican.

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No 401k? Another conservative counting on the government to make sure he survives.

[mwearl]

Oil prices are still below their 2008 peak.

You still imagine that anyone was discussing Wall Street confidence being the cause of the dramatic climb in the stock market when all that's been mentioned is results. The stock market does not say, "A Dem is in office, let's be stronger." It and the economy are just consistently stronger when a Dem is POTUS. If there is any Wall Street confidence in Democrats it's based on the historical record.

Are you being "intentionally obtuse", mwearl, or are you really just that obtuse?

Use a little imagination. I'm being metaphoric not literal. I just don't believe Wall Street skyrocketed during the last few years because of anything Obama or Congress did.Which direction do you think the stock market usually goes after a crash? And which direction do you think it goes after it soars to an over valuation (like it is now)?