46% Americans Believe In Creationism According To Latest Pol

[blackfoot]

I believe in some sort of unknown force or power or whatever, just not some hand-me-down sheep herder's which doctor's scary sky fairy

That's "witch doctor" billy boy. Anyway, I guess since you say you believe in some sort of "force" or "power" your belief system probably relates to the natives or other primitive tribes? Booga Booga?

[billy.pilgrim]

I believe in some sort of unknown force or power or whatever, just not some hand-me-down sheep herder's which doctor's scary sky fairy

That's "witch doctor" billy boy. Anyway, I guess since you say you believe in some sort of "force" or "power" your belief system probably relates to the natives or other primitive tribes? Booga Booga?

thanks for the spelling lesssen


simple comprehension ain't yer thing either, is it?

I don't need to describe what I can't know, you are the one following the boogieman the whichever doctor used (and apparently still uses) to scare the primitive tribes and simple minded

[rstrong]

No, you're the frightened one. Why else would you attack and argue against something you claim you don't even believe to exist?

That would be because your fellow faithful keep attacking US, and keep argueing against rights for the rest of us.

A couple years back I couldn't get medication for my daughter, because your fellow faithful's fantasy life decrees that drug stores should not open on Sundays. Your fellow faithful have a habit of enslaving other peoples and flying aircraft into skyscrapers because their invisible friend tells them to do so. They insist in dictating who can and cannot marry, among those who do not share their particular denomination of their particular religion, let alone among those who do not share their religion at all.

Heck, even would-be president Mitt Romney was preaching Mormonism at a time when Mormonism preached that blacks were subhuman. Even today we have Republican candidates - not some lone wingnut but a number of prominant Republicans - declaring that getting pregnant through rape is "God's gift."



It's not the unknown we're afraid of; it's the known. The people who share your fantasy life and insist on forcing it on others.

[billy.pilgrim]

did you see the thread I posted about the arkansas repub who believe we should have a law that allows parents to murder their children if they aren't respectful - cause the bible says so

he's also against abortion in all circumstances

[Bungalow Bill]

Well nobody ever said that Americans were the sharpest tools in the shed, or even the second
sharpest.

[O Really]

Well, if you're into old philosophers, such as Anselm of Canterbury in 10-oh something or Descartes in 16-something, you might have read the Ontological theory of the existence of God. Bit of verbal gymnastics to be sure, but it defines God as "that than which nothing greater can be conceived" meaning in effect that when you have reached the end of your knowledge, your perception and imagination, what's left is God. So if one wanted to argue that the ontological "god" created the big bang or some such idea, or that since we may not know exactly how the Earth was created and how living bodies developed, then God must have started it, I have no real disagreement. On the other hand, if the argument is that a human-looking god went sha-zaaam 6,000 years ago and everything came into existence in 7 calendar days, weeeeel, that would be a bit hard to swallow.

[Guest]

Well nobody ever said that Americans were the sharpest tools in the shed, or even the second
sharpest.

That's why they call themselves Democrats; not even the third sharpest; hence North Carolina broke South Carolina off it's ass and sent it south.

[Bungalow Bill]

That's why the various ontological arguments for the existence of God are not very persuasive.
They depend on the person making the definitions and the definitions themselves, with no
input from the empirical world. So if one wants to say that God is the most perfect being that
can be conceived or the being that nothing greater can be conceived, it's mostly worthless if
one doesn't agree with the definitions. And the definitions themselves are mostly worthless.

[O Really]

That's why the various ontological arguments for the existence of God are not very persuasive.
They depend on the person making the definitions and the definitions themselves, with no
input from the empirical world. So if one wants to say that God is the most perfect being that
can be conceived or the being that nothing greater can be conceived, it's mostly worthless if
one doesn't agree with the definitions. And the definitions themselves are mostly worthless.

True that. But it works logically in a sense. You're not creating your own version of what god should be or look like. You're not making up stories about what s/he may or may not have done. You're not arguing over whether Moses' Burning Bush was a prophesy of big trouble a couple thousand years down the road, or the efficacy of any given ritual - dunked or sprinkled. You're simply saying that there is a powerful force, that you don't understand and can't define, but it's probably behind everything else that you can see.

[blackfoot]

you still haven't explained why you get to break the sky fairy's law about arguing with those you label as fools

just more blackie hypocrisy

Oh that, I have special permission to argue with fools and dumb asses, so by all means, continue on.

[billy.pilgrim]

you still haven't explained why you get to break the sky fairy's law about arguing with those you label as fools

just more blackie hypocrisy

Oh that, I have special permission to argue with fools and dumb asses, so by all means, continue on.

so that whole bible thing is just a pile of shit, huh blackie?

I bet you eat shrimp too.

[blackfoot]

so that whole bible thing is just a pile of shit, huh blackie?

I bet you eat shrimp too.

If that's the way you see it, you certainly have that prerogative, don't you.

P.S..... I like my shrimp fried.

[billy.pilgrim]

so that whole bible thing is just a pile of shit, huh blackie?

I bet you eat shrimp too.

If that's the way you see it, you certainly have that prerogative, don't you.

P.S..... I like my shrimp fried.

now much on bible law, are you blackie. sort of a pick and choose cut an paste religion ya got there

now you see it, now you don't

[O Really]

The strongest argument for religious beliefs isn't the tenets of one particular sect, but through a comparison of many different ones. If you take away the cultural trappings involved in the development of a religion, and take away the cultural influences of the areas in which the religions are prevalent, you come down to more similarities than differences among the major religious groups. Different terminology, different rituals, but fundamentally the same, and all developed within a few centuries of each other. Going back further, you find differences based largely on the development of education and understanding of the world, but fundamentally, the religion of ancient Egypt or Greece wasn't much different from the religions of 2012. Maybe humans are hardwired to believe in god(s) http://www.templeton-cambridge.org/fell ... rticle=731

[blackfoot]

now much on bible law, are you blackie. sort of a pick and choose cut an paste religion ya got there

now you see it, now you don't

Funny, I don't remember aligning myself with any particular religion there Billy boy, maybe you could show me where I did. I just know how to read with understanding, and not being in the habit of reading information out of context.

[perspctv]

now much on bible law, are you blackie. sort of a pick and choose cut an paste religion ya got there

now you see it, now you don't

Funny, I don't remember aligning myself with any particular religion there Billy boy, maybe you could show me where I did. I just know how to read with understanding, and not being in the habit of reading information out of context.

Yes, you have provided strong rationale for you being Muslim.

Assalamo Aleikum, clubfoot.

[blackfoot]

Yes, you have provided strong rationale for you being Muslim.

Then we ought to get along very well, huh? you might even vote for me if I ran for , oh lets say..President or something?

[Bungalow Bill]

The ontological argument does have certain simplicity so that one doesn't have to deal with
all the specific theological problems that go with the rather amusing doctrines of some
religions--burning bushes, fishes and loaves, the sun moving, etc. But even without those
problems, it's still not very convincing to me. It's little more than an unproven concept.

Maybe people are hard-wired to believe in gods, or they are hard-wired to fear death and
mortality and limits in time and space. Maybe that's why the idea of heaven is just the opposite
of earthly life--immortal, never-ending, perfect.

[perspctv]

Yes, you have provided strong rationale for you being Muslim.

Then we ought to get along very well, huh? you might even vote for me if I ran for , oh lets say..President or something?

I think they y'all have as silly a religion as any other, no matter what you Imam says.

I wouldn't vote for you for dog-catcher.

[Stinger]

That's why they call themselves Democrats;

Americans call themselves Democrats?

Yeppers. Real Americans who put country first call themselves Democrats. The posers who put party ideology before country call themselves Republicans.