Social Distancing 1A

[O Really]

Delivery service isn't like buying or not buying a clothing item made in a sweat shop. It's a direct and personal service, and you're paying the person who provides it. From an ethics standpoint, if it's OK to order a pizza, it's OK to order groceries. Yes, the grocery delivery person incurs some risk of virus now, just as delivery people incur more risks than the customer all the time. There is something to be said for low-risk people leaving the delivery services to those who might need them more, but that, IMNVHO, is courtesy, not ethics.

We're lucky - we can go to our local Albertson's during geezer hours, or even Sunday mornings, and find low crowds, usually good stock, and minimal risk as long as we follow good cleaning/wiping/washing sanitation. So we don't order. We have neighbours who order everything, but they do fall into the more-risky category.

Other than food and groceries, however, we order most everything.

[Vrede too]

Note on Vrede's kindergarten report card: Doesn't play well with others.

I hear your whining, but I notice that you're not IDing what I supposedly got wrong, troll. Good luck.

[Vrede too]

You posted a series of immature attacks on Billy. Frankly I think you should be embarrassed. That you don't seem to realize how obnoxious your posts are is rather amazing. But I will not engage with you on this, because I know better than to try to reason with you.

Have a nice day.

Your immature, embarrassing, obnoxious, unreasonable hypocrisy is noted, and pitied.

To billy.pilgrim:

Your second post on the tangent, BEFORE I'd said anything harsh to you:

... Now you are talking like trump.

There is nothing, nothing more pathetic than someone that dishes it out only to screech like a toddler if it comes back at him. Grow up.

[billy.pilgrim]

You posted a series of immature attacks on Billy. Frankly I think you should be embarrassed. That you don't seem to realize how obnoxious your posts are is rather amazing. But I will not engage with you on this, because I know better than to try to reason with you.

Have a nice day.

Your immature, embarrassing, obnoxious, unreasonable hypocrisy is noted, and pitied.

To billy.pilgrim:

Your second post on the tangent, BEFORE I'd said anything harsh to you:

... Now you are talking like trump.

There is nothing, nothing more pathetic than someone that dishes it out only to screech like a toddler if it comes back at him. Grow up.

Yep, your claim that it would be too difficult to test fabric because there are different kinds of fabric sounds exactly like something trump would say.
It wasn't meant to be mean, just pointing out how ridiculous your assertion was.
And you got all prissy and said, "Fuck You" - now that was meant to be mean.

[billy.pilgrim]

Note on Vrede's kindergarten report card: Doesn't play well with others.

I hear your whining, but I notice that you're not IDing what I supposedly got wrong, troll. Good luck.

hint: you claimed that fabric had not been tested until you started claiming that it had been tested.

[O Really]

Interesting - MA "close contact" tracing is for anyone that was within 6 feet of a known infected person for 15 minutes or more. If based on credible science, this makes me feel even better about groceries, clothing, etc.

CDC comments on exposure:

** Data are limited to define of close contact. Factors to consider when defining close contact include proximity, the duration of exposure (e.g., longer exposure time likely increases exposure risk), whether the individual has symptoms (e.g., coughing likely increases exposure risk) and whether the individual was wearing a facemask (which can efficiently block respiratory secretions from contaminating others and the environment).

***Data are insufficient to precisely define the duration of time that constitutes a prolonged exposure. Recommendations vary on the length of time of exposure from 10 minutes or more to 30 minutes or more. In healthcare settings, it is reasonable to define a prolonged exposure as any exposure greater than a few minutes because the contact is someone who is ill. Brief interactions are less likely to result in transmission; however, symptoms and the type of interaction (e.g., did the person cough directly into the face of the individual) remain important.

[Vrede too]

Yep, your claim that it would be too difficult to test fabric because there are different kinds of fabric sounds exactly like something trump would say.

If it was easy, sensible and useful, the scientists would have already done it and the writer would have reported it, duh. If you want to whine that the scientists are trumpish, good luck selling it.

It wasn't meant to be mean, just pointing out how ridiculous your assertion was.
And you got all prissy and said, "Fuck You" - now that was meant to be mean.

Your claim is that the name calling YOU initiated, calling me a trump, is not mean? Wow, that's as pathetic an excuse as I've ever seen. I actually said, "Fuck off," which you earned but are too wussy to admit.

[Vrede too]

hint: you claimed that fabric had not been tested until you started claiming that it had been tested.

Fail, same one that you've been so stupid about for page after page. I get that you're so butthurt that you would never agree with me even if I said that the Sun appears to rise in the East, but why don't you have the balls to admit your befuddlement when O Really also points it out?
viewtopic.php?p=117496#p117496

The study on mask materials measured ability to transmit/block virus, not addressing how long it lives.

Thank you. I'm at a loss as to why billy.pilgrim has been conflating the two for post after post, but it's depressing.

Point cowered from, as usual, even when O Really is the one to make it.

[Vrede too]

These 4 Republican states are ignoring Trump’s reopening guidelines

Huh, I thought this was going to be about Repug Govs being more rational than PINO. Nope:

What happens when the coronavirus is prevalent and you send people out anyway?

We’re on the verge of finding out, thanks to some Republican-controlled states that are willing to serve as reopening guinea pigs. The governors of Georgia, South Carolina and Alaska are allowing some businesses to reopen this week, as long as they follow distancing and sanitary guidelines. Tennessee will allow many businesses to reopen May 1. Florida and several other states are working on reopening plans.

None of those states meets the Trump administration guidelines for reopening businesses. Those guidelines say, among other things, that a state must have a declining trajectory of coronavirus cases for 14 days straight before reopening. If the number rises for a single day, the clock resets and the 14-day countdown starts over again....

Alaska ...

Georgia had an increase in the number of daily confirmed cases from 646 on April 20 to 934 on April 21. Its earliest possible reopening date should be May 5.

The data for South Carolina are a bit sketchy, because there were 0 new daily cases on April 20 and several other dates. But that’s probably a reporting lag or irregularity. For dates with numbers, there were 103 new cases on April 15; 275 on April 17; 315 on April 18; 131 on April 19; and 62 on April 21. If those numbers are legit, the recent peak was April 18, which would make the earliest possible reopening date May 2.

In Tennessee, the recent peak was 308 new cases on April 19. It dropped to 168 and then 156 during the next two days. So the appropriate reopening date would be May 3 if the downward trend remains unbroken. That’s only two days later than the governor plans to reopen—but he’s not making reopening contingent on a downward trajectory.

In Florida, the number of new cases rose from 664 on April 20 to 835 on April 21. The curve is not descending, yet Gov. Ron DeSantis has hinted he wants to lift stay-at-home orders soon. Jacksonville has already reopened its beaches.

... Yet even Brian Kemp, governor of Georgia, acknowledged, “when we have more people moving around, we’re probably going to see cases continue to go up.” Who wants to go first?

Dumber, more America hating and more deadly than the PINO admin*, that's really saying something.

[billy.pilgrim]

hint: you claimed that fabric had not been tested until you started claiming that it had been tested.

Fail, same one that you've been so stupid about for page after page. I get that you're so butthurt that you would never agree with me even if I said that the Sun appears to rise in the East, but why don't you have the balls to admit your befuddlement when O Really also points it out?
viewtopic.php?p=117496#p117496

The study on mask materials measured ability to transmit/block virus, not addressing how long it lives.

Thank you. I'm at a loss as to why billy.pilgrim has been conflating the two for post after post, but it's depressing.

Point cowered from, as usual, even when O Really is the one to make it.

Me conflating? You are the one who said, months into a pandemic, that fabric testing was too hard to do.

[Vrede too]

Me conflating? You are the one who said, months into a pandemic, that fabric testing was too hard to do.

You are truly pitiful.

First, I never said that it's "too hard", liar. Rather, I described the complexities and limited usefulness given the many different fabrics with different applications of them that we wear.

Then, as O Really clearly states and you are too stupid to understand or too sackless to admit, a fabric's potential for making an effective CV-19 mask is DIFFERENT from how long the virus lives on a fabric and can potentially cause infection. I don't know why this concept is such a pages-long struggle for you, but it's really really sad.

[neoplacebo]

If this virus had happened in the 70's it would stick like a magnet to that polyester stuff, up your leg, sleeve, neck. Horrible.

[Vrede too]

Hwæt sy þín uneáðnesse?

viewtopic.php?p=117446#p117446

Hwæt sy þín uneáðnesse?

"What does your sewing do?" (Icelandic)
https://translate.google.com/

:confusion-scratchheadblue:

[Vrede too]

Vrede dénd ne plega éaðe mid folc.

Not even bothering, troll, you had your chance to post topically. Poor baby.

[Vrede too]

Hwæt sy þín uneáðnesse?

Perseverated gibberish much?

Hwæt sy þín uneáðnesse?

viewtopic.php?p=117446#p117446

Hwæt sy þín uneáðnesse?

"What does your sewing do?" (Icelandic)
https://translate.google.com/

:confusion-scratchheadblue:

[Vrede too]

These 4 Republican states are ignoring Trump’s reopening guidelines

Huh, I thought this was going to be about Repug Govs being more rational than PINO. Nope

Dumber, more America hating and more deadly than the PINO admin*, that's really saying something.

Trump Tells Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp He’s Reopening State ‘Too Soon’
But the president also said the Republican governor “has to do what he thinks is right.”

[Vrede too]

Vrede dénd ne plega éaðe mid folc.

Vrede dénd ne plega éaðe mid folc.

Not even bothering, troll, you had your chance to post topically. Poor baby.

[O Really]

These 4 Republican states are ignoring Trump’s reopening guidelines

Huh, I thought this was going to be about Repug Govs being more rational than PINO. Nope

Dumber, more America hating and more deadly than the PINO admin*, that's really saying something.

Trump Tells Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp He’s Reopening State ‘Too Soon’
But the president also said the Republican governor “has to do what he thinks is right.”

Trump pushes the weak-minded cultists to open, then realizes it could turn out really bad, so he calls a bus to toss them under. Couldn't happen to a better guy than Kemp. Trump will take credit if Georgia doesn't turn into a catastrophe; Kemp will get blamed if it does.

[O Really]

So the Mayor of (part of) Las Vegas wants to be the "control group" on social distancing.
https://apnews.com/5f4217c95f853b89638220d294e5eedf

She's the wife of former Mayor and mob lawyer Oscar Goodman, who held he job for three terms before her.

[Vrede too]

So the Mayor of (part of) Las Vegas wants to be the "control group" on social distancing.
https://apnews.com/5f4217c95f853b89638220d294e5eedf

She's the wife of former Mayor and mob lawyer Oscar Goodman, who held he job for three terms before her.

I briefly heard about this earlier without knowing a thing about her. I thought of the enormous pressure she must be getting from casinos and associated businesses. She used to be a Dem, but has been independent since 2009.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolyn_G ... olitician)
I thought maybe the unions would be pressuring her, too, but I guess not. Your article:

... The casino workers’ Culinary Union, which represents about 60,000 bartenders, cooks, housekeepers and other employees, said Goodman’s remarks were “outrageous considering essential frontline workers have been dealing with the consequences of this crisis firsthand.”

“Workplaces need to be safe and healthy — not a petri dish,” Geoconda Argüello-Kline, the union’s secretary-treasurer, said.

The union said 11 of its members so far have died of COVID-19....

Good for them. LV is very Dem, maybe not a lot of support Goodman there, or it's at least divided.