An open letter to the ironically named CPF's cpicturetaker12

[Crock Hunter]

I want to be sure I know the rules.

Dude.. there is only one rule.. "Do as Solar says"

Seriously.. you're attempting to present real world facts and information to people that do not value facts... The poor souls that succumb to such rabid TeaBaggery insulate themselves from anything that threatens their prejudices..

Many of us on many forums have for years kicked countless far-right nitwits squarely in the nuts time and time again. The more they are proven to be wrong the more they tighten the circle of wagons until you get such paranoid and delusional sites as StormFront, LibertyNewsForum and the small time wannabes like the ironically named ConservativePoliticalForum .. They all ban individuals that consistently debunk their conspiracies, use facts to refute their notions and refuse to genuflect to their despotic mods.. And oddly, their members prefer such forums over free-speech forums ..

You will never get through to the likes of Solar, taxed, Jason the BooMan or any other Right Wing "Extremest" [sic] because they do not live in the real world so real world facts and events simply do not register.. they are willfully ignorant and seek comfort in unchallenged thinking..

Good luck anyway.. It's always interesting to watch them dodge your facts and figures.. .

[neoplacebo]

That reminds me of something one of the high ranking Coalition Provisional Authority staffers said in Rajiv Chandrasekaran's book "Imperial Life in the Emerald City; Inside Iraq's Green Zone." After drinking the Kool Aid and being sent to Baghdad, within a few weeks the guy said "I'm a neoconservative that was mugged by reality." I always wondered if he became a convert or not. I like to think so....

[bannination]

Looks like he finally got the boot. http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/p ... -the-boot/

Hell if I know why, I skimmed the article they said he/she lied in: http://conservativepoliticalforum.com/p ... ersniners/

The best thing I could come up with is they didn't agree that there were 4 hurricanes that hit Florida in a month? Neither side really presented any evidence in either direction. <shrug>

[Sometime Lefty]

Just a "google" would show he was right. These idiots are immune to facts. Two struck Gainesville but they were just tropical storm strength by the time they hit.

[bannination]

That's what I thought too, even wikipedia has three hurricanes hitting directly.

[Crock Hunter]

These idiots are immune to facts.

Indeed.. they do not value facts.. Facts interfere with their reality distortion field..

[Roland Deschain]

That's what I thought too, even wikipedia has three hurricanes hitting directly.

Ivan hit Orange Beach ALABAMA..not Florida and even then there were still only three land falling hurricanes that month not FOUR. So there were only two hurricanes that hit Florida that month. Wonder which one of you factually challenged idiots it was that got axed.

[Crock Hunter]

Ivan hit Orange Beach ALABAMA..not Florida and even then there were still only three land falling hurricanes that month not FOUR. .

Yes .. Florida was completely unaffected by Ivan and did not cost Florida $18.8 Billion...

So there were only two hurricanes that hit Florida that month. .

Hurricane Center says you lying.. they seem to know you..

Seriously.. can you get any more petty and insecure than one of you TeaBagging Ultra-Gobblers...

Wonder which one of you factually challenged idiots it was that got axed.

I have no idea.. I know it wasn't me.. Alpha-douche Solar would still be whimpering like a frightened pup if I was there posting.. just like last time..

[bannination]

That's what I thought too, even wikipedia has three hurricanes hitting directly.

Ivan hit Orange Beach ALABAMA..not Florida and even then there were still only three land falling hurricanes that month not FOUR. So there were only two hurricanes that hit Florida that month. Wonder which one of you factually challenged idiots it was that got axed.

I always though it was considered a hit if it caused sustained winds in the area above or at a category 3. Perhaps if you want to limit the eye hitting landfall in Florida, then ok, you might have a point. I don't think the people in Florida would have seen it that way facing 111-130 mph winds.

In fact, here's a video, fast forward towards the end of the damage and intense winds "NOT" caused by Ivan.




Let's ban him thought because CPF is fact based and all...... 0:-?>


You can't even win on the technicality because IVAN DID hit Florida. That is if you think a ban should be made because of a technicality?







Run back home to Momma.

[Roland Deschain]

That's what I thought too, even wikipedia has three hurricanes hitting directly.

Ivan hit Orange Beach ALABAMA..not Florida and even then there were still only three land falling hurricanes that month not FOUR. So there were only two hurricanes that hit Florida that month. Wonder which one of you factually challenged idiots it was that got axed.

I always though it was considered a hit if it caused sustained winds in the area above or at a category 3. Perhaps if you want to limit the eye hitting landfall in Florida, then ok, you might have a point. I don't think the people in Florida would have seen it that way facing 111-130 mph winds.

In fact, here's a video, fast forward towards the end of the damage and intense winds "NOT" caused by Ivan.

I'm using the standard NOAA formula which is to use the point as close to the center of circulation that can be determined, where it strikes land, and that is Orange Beach ALABAMA....there was no landfall in Florida. If you want to factor in wind damage you could say that Ivan also made landfall right here in western North Carolina. The east coast strike after the loop was as a TROPICAL STORM...not a hurricane. One has to wonder why you all were so fast to fire up the spin generators to defend someone who is supposed to be such an unknown to you all.

[Crock Hunter]

Let's ban him thought because CPF is fact based and all......

LMAO.. "fact based" .. .. more like "Crack" based.. not a one of those crackheads could survive a debate without tapping out..

[Roland Deschain]

Let's ban him thought because CPF is fact based and all......

LMAO.. "fact based" .. .. more like "Crack" based.. not a one of those crackheads could survive a debate without tapping out..

LMAO you idiots have just had your hurricane "facts" thoroughly trounced by NOAA...and you claim that YOU are the fact based folks....ROFLMAO....keep dreaming!

[Roland Deschain]

Ivan hit Orange Beach ALABAMA..not Florida and even then there were still only three land falling hurricanes that month not FOUR. So there were only two hurricanes that hit Florida that month. Wonder which one of you factually challenged idiots it was that got axed.

The FL line is less than 5 miles from Orange Beach and everyone that's ever watched coverage of even one north moving Gulf hurricane know that the east side gets hit hardest.

Congrats, Roland Deschain, that may just be your dumbest post yet - which is no small feat.

Now, run away Roland Deschain run away, we know by know that you are incapable of admitting even such obvious errors. That why you've joined the nursemaid forum in order to be protected from ridicule.

Took longer than I thought it would for you to open your big mouth vrede but it was all expected. As for your usual tripe...take it up with NOAA, I'm just stating the facts as THEY have them on record.

[bannination]

I'm using the standard NOAA formula which is to use the point as close to the center of circulation that can be determined, where it strikes land, and that is Orange Beach ALABAMA....there was no landfall in Florida. If you want to factor in wind damage you could say that Ivan also made landfall right here in western North Carolina. The east coast strike after the loop was as a TROPICAL STORM...not a hurricane. One has to wonder why you all were so fast to fire up the spin generators to defend someone who is supposed to be such an unknown to you all.

The 2004 season had numerous unusual occurrences. The first named storm of the season formed on August 1, giving the season the fifth-latest start since the 1952 season. Florida was hit by four hurricanes: Hurricane Charley, Frances, Ivan, and Jeanne. Dubbed the "Big 4 of '04", it was the first time four hurricanes have hit one state in one season since four hurricanes hit the Texas coast in the 1886 season, including the Indianola Hurricane of 1886 that destroyed the city of Indianola.[12][13] There were many other hurricanes in the 2004 Atlantic hurricane season that were individually unusual. Hurricane Alex was the strongest hurricane on record to intensify north of 38°N latitude.[14]

Every source I find, it's generally accepted that Ivan hit Florida. Cpicturetaker never said where the storms originally struck land, just that it crisscrossed over his state. That's a FACT.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/2004ivan.shtml?

Shortly after emerging over the southern Gulf of Mexico early on 14 September, Ivan turned north-northwestward and then northward. A steady weakening trend also ensued as moderate southwesterly flow on the east side of a large mid- to upper-level trough over the central United States and northeastern Mexico gradually caused the vertical shear to increase across the hurricane. As Ivan neared the northern U.S. Gulf coast, the upper-level wind flow ahead of the trough became more westerly and strengthened to more than 30 kt, which helped to increase the shear even more and advect dry air into the inner core region. Despite the unfavorable environmental conditions, the presence of cooler shelf water just offshore and eyewall replacement cycles, Ivan weakened only slowly and made landfall as a 105 kt hurricane (category 3 on the SSHS; see Figure 2c and Figure 3b.) at approximately 0650 UTC 16 September, just west of Gulf Shores, Alabama. By this time, the eye diameter had increased to 40-50 n mi (Figure 4c), which resulted in some of the strongest winds occurring over a narrow area near the southern Alabama-western Florida panhandle border.

Even as an extratropical low, the remnant circulation of Ivan was identifiable in both surface and upper-air data. Over the next 3 days, the low moved south and southwestward and eventually crossed the southern Florida peninsula from the Atlantic the morning of 21 September and emerged over the southeastern Gulf of Mexico later that afternoon. As Ivan moved westward across the warm water of the Gulf, the low began to re-acquire warm core, tropical characteristics as showers and thunderstorms started developing near the well-defined low-level circulation center. During the morning of 22 September, Ivan completed a large anticyclonic loop and by 1800 UTC reconnaissance aircraft reports indicated that it had become a tropical depression again over the central Gulf of Mexico. Ivan regained tropical strength 6 h later when it was located about 120 n mi south of the mouth of the Mississippi River. Tropical Storm Ivan turned northwestward and made landfall as a tropical depression in extreme southwestern Louisiana around 0200 UTC 24 September. After landfall, Ivan quickly dissipated later that morning over the upper Texas coastal area about 20 n mi northwest of Beaumont. Including its extratropical phase, Ivan existed for 22.5 days and produced a track more than 5600 n mi long.

[Roland Deschain]

My apologies to all...it seems I was mistaken. The official NHC Tropical Cyclone report on Ivan places landfall " just west of Gulf Shores, Alabama", which is even further from the Florida line.

[bannination]

My apologies to all...it seems I was mistaken. The official NHC Tropical Cyclone report on Ivan places landfall " just west of Gulf Shores, Alabama", which is even further from the Florida line.

No one said landfall at CPF, quit making things up.

According to your mythology the eye could be one mile from the coast of Florida, and it wouldn't have "hit" Florida. I know you can't see how dumb that is.... but damn, it's pretty dumb.


True or False Roland? Did Ivan criss cross through Cpicturetakers state?

[Crock Hunter]

The FL line is less than 5 miles from Orange Beach

The eye was ~57 miles across at landfall.. the eastern eyewall was 10-15 miles into Florida.. .. 14 deaths in Florida.. 0 in Alabama... 4 billions dollars damage in Florida.. 3.1 billion everywhere else... To say that Ivan did not "hit" Florida is pure bullshit..

This is one of the best examples of how base and inferior bowhumper and pals see themselves.. . such fragile little nitwits

[Roland Deschain]

The 2004 season had numerous unusual occurrences. The first named storm of the season formed on August 1, giving the season the fifth-latest start since the 1952 season. Florida was hit by four hurricanes: Hurricane Charley, Frances, Ivan, and Jeanne. Dubbed the "Big 4 of '04", it was the first time four hurricanes have hit one state in one season since four hurricanes hit the Texas coast in the 1886 season, including the Indianola Hurricane of 1886 that destroyed the city of Indianola.[12][13] There were many other hurricanes in the 2004 Atlantic hurricane season that were individually unusual. Hurricane Alex was the strongest hurricane on record to intensify north of 38°N latitude.[14]

Every source I find, it's generally accepted that Ivan hit Florida. Cpicturetaker never said where the storms originally struck land, just that it crisscrossed over his state. That's a FACT.

So the hurricanes crisscrossed over his state and "never struck land" LMAO Gotta hand it to you...that is an all time great for you Again, take it up with NOAA, the official reported landfall, as a HURRICANE, is in Alabama. Even if your information was correct the four still did not strike in ONE MONTH...and you say you have "facts" :-0?>

[Crock Hunter]

at CPF, quit making things up.

Like asking fish not to swim.. it's what they do.. ..

[bannination]

The 2004 season had numerous unusual occurrences. The first named storm of the season formed on August 1, giving the season the fifth-latest start since the 1952 season. Florida was hit by four hurricanes: Hurricane Charley, Frances, Ivan, and Jeanne. Dubbed the "Big 4 of '04", it was the first time four hurricanes have hit one state in one season since four hurricanes hit the Texas coast in the 1886 season, including the Indianola Hurricane of 1886 that destroyed the city of Indianola.[12][13] There were many other hurricanes in the 2004 Atlantic hurricane season that were individually unusual. Hurricane Alex was the strongest hurricane on record to intensify north of 38°N latitude.[14]

Every source I find, it's generally accepted that Ivan hit Florida. Cpicturetaker never said where the storms originally struck land, just that it crisscrossed over his state. That's a FACT.

So the hurricanes crisscrossed over his state and "never struck land" LMAO Gotta hand it to you...that is an all time great for you Again, take it up with NOAA, the official reported landfall, as a HURRICANE, is in Alabama. Even if your information was correct the four still did not strike in ONE MONTH...and you say you have "facts" :-0?>

I did take it up with the NOAA, and they agree that it did hit Florida, I even provided the links. Can you even read? AGAIN, Cpicturetaker said nothing about WHERE IT MADE INITIAL LANDFALL.