Execution Methods

[O Really]

Firing squad? Hanging? Seriously? http://news.msn.com/us/states-consider- ... executions

Real question - large animal vets (vets for large animals, not large vets) don't seem to have any trouble putting down horses. Why can't the executioners use whatever they use, or just call a vet when it's time to put down the condemned?

Related - people go into surgery and go under anesthesia, feeling and being aware of nothing. Why don't the executioners just anesthetize the condemned and then kill him off however works best?

Yes, I know - a better answer would be to get the state out of the killing business, but that's unlikely to happen. Probably get worse before it gets better.

[Boatrocker]

Firing squad? Hanging? Seriously? http://news.msn.com/us/states-consider- ... executions

Real question - large animal vets (vets for large animals, not large vets) don't seem to have any trouble putting down horses. Why can't the executioners use whatever they use, or just call a vet when it's time to put down the condemned?

Related - people go into surgery and go under anesthesia, feeling and being aware of nothing. Why don't the executioners just anesthetize the condemned and then kill him off however works best?

Yes, I know - a better answer would be to get the state out of the killing business, but that's unlikely to happen. Probably get worse before it gets better.

That's essentially how a lethal injection works- the first syringe contains an anesthetic. Supposedly. Who knows how and what prison officials are skimming?

[O Really]

I've had the misfortune to see two horses put down, fortunately neither was mine, but I'm pretty sure they use only one syringe for them, and they drop like a horse, with no noticeable distress or prolonged suffering. But bottom line, it can't be that hard to painlessly kill somebody who is properly anesthetized to start with. You could even just drain out their blood. I think you may be on to something with the skimming.

[Boatrocker]

I've had the misfortune to see two horses put down, fortunately neither was mine, but I'm pretty sure they use only one syringe for them, and they drop like a horse, with no noticeable distress or prolonged suffering. But bottom line, it can't be that hard to painlessly kill somebody who is properly anesthetized to start with. You could even just drain out their blood. I think you may be on to something with the skimming.

Don't know about horses, but I've put dogs and cats down, and have always stayed with the poor critter so they wouldn't die amongst strangers. My vet gives a serious trank/painkiller cocktail and lets it work before issuing an effective overdose of a some narcotic which, shuts down everything. Executions generally use a multi-syringe cocktail of some kind. Used to, anyhow.

[bannination]

Firing squad? Hanging? Seriously? http://news.msn.com/us/states-consider- ... executions

Real question - large animal vets (vets for large animals, not large vets) don't seem to have any trouble putting down horses. Why can't the executioners use whatever they use, or just call a vet when it's time to put down the condemned?

Related - people go into surgery and go under anesthesia, feeling and being aware of nothing. Why don't the executioners just anesthetize the condemned and then kill him off however works best?

Yes, I know - a better answer would be to get the state out of the killing business, but that's unlikely to happen. Probably get worse before it gets better.

That's essentially how a lethal injection works- the first syringe contains an anesthetic. Supposedly. Who knows how and what prison officials are skimming?

Yeah, I love that the second drug is a paralyzer..... you know just in case they actually aren't anesthetized..... that way they can die painfully on the inside.


GO USA

[neoplacebo]

The few times I've had to be "put down" for medical reasons I always marvel at the speed and potency of the drug(s) they use. In a matter of seconds, consciousness and "life" are suspended, only to be restored hours later. Those people could have had their way with me, wrote bad checks in my name, abused me for their own vile purposes, or even decided not to wake me up at all....or even days or weeks later, then give me the bill. In any case, it would seem the state could just call up the closest hospital and send someone over with some of that stuff. Micheal Jackson knew about this, and went over the edge.

[homerfobe]

The execution method should fit the crime. If the victim suffered a traumatic and lingering death, the prisoner should face the same lingering and suffering.
If the victims death was quick, such as a gunshot; a .44 magnum between the eyes should eliminate any question of suffering on that poor old bastard who's being executed. The bleeding hearts want to end capital punishment and stage protests outside the prison walls with no thought of the victim who died
unmercifully. The s.o.b. that was last executed mutilated, raped, then murdered his pregnant victim ending two lives. And the panty waists moaned and groaned because he took to long to die. Die, m.f., die. Slow and agonizing.

[neoplacebo]

ok

[neoplacebo]

The execution method should fit the crime. If the victim suffered a traumatic and lingering death, the prisoner should face the same lingering and suffering.
If the victims death was quick, such as a gunshot; a .44 magnum between the eyes should eliminate any question of suffering on that poor old bastard who's being executed. The bleeding hearts want to end capital punishment and stage protests outside the prison walls with no thought of the victim who died
unmercifully. The s.o.b. that was last executed mutilated, raped, then murdered his pregnant victim ending two lives. And the panty waists moaned and groaned because he took to long to die. Die, m.f., die. Slow and agonizing.

Actually, you'd probably like Saudi Arabia; they have a justice system based on that biblical justice; swift and sure. An eye for an eye, etc.

[O Really]

I probably wouldn't have a problem with Homo's "revenge-based" executions if they just let the victim's family do it. But I don't think it's the state's job to violate the "cruel and unusual punishment" prohibition.

[homerfobe]

Yes, I know - a better answer would be to get the state out of the killing business, but that's unlikely to happen. Probably get worse before it gets better.

Actually, you'd probably like Saudi Arabia; they have a justice system based on that biblical justice; swift and sure. An eye for an eye, etc.

Question. If the state got out of the killing business as you call it, what do you and neo propose is the answer? Should the state stand idly by and let these half-witted inbreds have their way with society? Or maybe you think they should just be locked up for the rest of their natural lives and let us, the hard working taxpayers who are already overburdened with every kind of tax the locals and feds can dream up, furnish them 'food and found' for the rest of their days? That's the reason why today that these gutter scum aren't afraid of the law, they know if they are convicted, it'll be years before they see any real punishment. In the meantime, they'll have all their basic needs paid for by us.
That eye for an eye thing ain't so bad biblical or not. At least their death is swift and sure in Saudi Arabia. It's a shame that a person can inflict such a gruesome execution as beheading on another human, but it's also a shame that a person would think no less of murdering another in lust or greed.
An eye for an eye? How about a life for a life?

[homerfobe]

I probably wouldn't have a problem with Homo's "revenge-based" executions if they just let the victim's family do it. But I don't think it's the state's job to violate the "cruel and unusual punishment" prohibition.

So you think an execution is revenge based? Bullshit. Pure bullshit. And you know the state or anyone else will allow the victims family to deal with
the murderer. I ask again. Who's job is it to violate the "cruel and unusual punishment". Do you think the victims murder was "cruel and unusual punishment"?
Oh wait! Maybe the murderer put his victim to sleep first so they wouldn't suffer, huh?

[homerfobe]

homerfobe, the career socialist worker, has more trust in government to be honest and accurate than I do.

Vrede, the career know it all about everything and anything has finally chimed in with his/her infinite wisdom. I was wondering how long it was going to take you to reply. Oreally must have a little bell tied to your house to let you know when I log in. I'm amazed that due to your importance and all knowing
knowledge how you even sleep at night. Oh wait, you don't. That's why you post a lot around midnight.

"Career socialist worker". Your jealousy is showing again. At least I have/had a career. I'm sitting back now enjoying the fruits of my labor at your expense.
Sorry about you.

[neoplacebo]

Yes, I know - a better answer would be to get the state out of the killing business, but that's unlikely to happen. Probably get worse before it gets better.

Actually, you'd probably like Saudi Arabia; they have a justice system based on that biblical justice; swift and sure. An eye for an eye, etc.

Question. If the state got out of the killing business as you call it, what do you and neo propose is the answer? Should the state stand idly by and let these half-witted inbreds have their way with society? Or maybe you think they should just be locked up for the rest of their natural lives and let us, the hard working taxpayers who are already overburdened with every kind of tax the locals and feds can dream up, furnish them 'food and found' for the rest of their days? That's the reason why today that these gutter scum aren't afraid of the law, they know if they are convicted, it'll be years before they see any real punishment. In the meantime, they'll have all their basic needs paid for by us.
That eye for an eye thing ain't so bad biblical or not. At least their death is swift and sure in Saudi Arabia. It's a shame that a person can inflict such a gruesome execution as beheading on another human, but it's also a shame that a person would think no less of murdering another in lust or greed.
An eye for an eye? How about a life for a life?

I already posted what I thought; the hospital drugs; they're quick, cheap, they work. Dead is dead. We all die a little every day if you really think about it. As for the prison industrial complex, I myself am against warehousing convicts and eventually releasing them only to warehouse them again and again. I don't know what the answer to that is, but for myself, I'd rather be dead than live in prison for a life sentence... to me, that's not life.

[O Really]

You're really just generally hateful, aren't you? Actually, it's less expensive to all the taxpayers, both the hard-working ones and the lazy ones, to issue life sentences. Lower cost of trial; lower cost or subsequent litigation; lower cost of incarceration. But it doesn't really matter what the criminal did in regard to the cruelty of his punishment - he's a criminal. The state, hopefully, is not.

[homerfobe]

I already posted what I thought; the hospital drugs; they're quick, cheap, they work. Dead is dead. We all die a little every day if you really think about it. As for the prison industrial complex, I myself am against warehousing convicts and eventually releasing them only to warehouse them again and again. I don't know what the answer to that is, but for myself, I'd rather be dead than live in prison for a life sentence... to me, that's not life.

Yes you did, I didn't catch that and I agree with you. Give it a few minutes The O and the V red will be on your ass like toilet paper for your remarks.

Awww, once again all homerfobe's got is diversionary bleating from my point.
It got your attention.

Question. If the state got out of the killing business as you call it, what do you and neo propose is the answer? Should the state stand idly by and let these half-witted inbreds have their way with society? Or maybe you think they should just be locked up for the rest of their natural lives and let us, the hard working taxpayers who are already overburdened with every kind of tax the locals and feds can dream up, furnish them 'food and found' for the rest of their days?
Whether actually guilty or not.
So your concerned whether or not they're guilty? Granted, some innocents are executed, that's unfortunate. How about the ones that confess their crimes? Or are caught in their crimes?

You're retired from your socialist job and are still living off we hard working taxpayers.
Like I said. I earned my stripes, and I still pay taxes thank you and I'm sure that at one time or the other tax dollars supported your
sorry ass in the form of unemployment benefits unless you were living off Mommy and Daddy.

Like we are for you? Anyhow, the death penalty costs taxpayers more.
Another liberal stretch of the truth, unless you count the man-hours that go into preparing the bastard, changing the sheets, etc.
I'm sure one good jolt of 40,000 volts or one .44 shot would be much cheaper. If it is more expensive, it's because of all the coddling that goes into
execution preparation.

That's the reason why today that these gutter scum aren't afraid of the law, they know if they are convicted, it'll be years before they see any real punishment. In the meantime, they'll have all their basic needs paid for by us...

The death penalty has never been shown to be a deterrent, never.

Well gee whiz, I wonder why? Did you see this: That's the reason why today that these gutter scum aren't afraid of the law, they know if they are convicted, it'll be years before they see any real punishment. In the meantime, they'll have all their basic needs paid for by us.

[homerfobe]

You're really just generally hateful, aren't you? Actually, it's less expensive to all the taxpayers, both the hard-working ones and the lazy ones, to issue life sentences. Lower cost of trial; lower cost or subsequent litigation; lower cost of incarceration. But it doesn't really matter what the criminal did in regard to the cruelty of his punishment - he's a criminal. The state, hopefully, is not.

Hateful? No not really. Read my signature.
So answer my question. Who should be responsible for meteing out punishment?

[neoplacebo]

Well, the state is tasked with that. How they do it is defined by our national statutes, state statutes, and the judicial apparatus. There's no provision for personal vengeance, and their shouldn't be. It's a legal matter, not a personal matter once it gets into the state apparatus. The intent is punishment for the crime, not family retribution. The personal aspect of the crime must be discarded, even though emotion tends to not recognize this.

[bannination]

I always thought life in prison and the death penalty were for one purpose, to remove a person from society that can't function in society.

Now I've learned it's all about revenge, huh.... learn something new everyday.

I think it's a strange thing..... I mean if someone murdered my entire family, I don't care that he gets physical pain, I care that he can't do that to anyone else. No amount of pain is going to correct anything or right a wrong, if fact it may wrong a wrong. I think most people would feel the same, and that homerphobe is the abnormal one, but who knows.

[homerfobe]

I always thought life in prison and the death penalty were for one purpose, to remove a person from society that can't function in society. Now I've learned it's all about revenge, huh.... learn something new everyday.
I think it's a strange thing..... I mean if someone murdered my entire family, I don't care that he gets physical pain, I care that he can't do that to anyone else. No amount of pain is going to correct anything or right a wrong, if fact it may wrong a wrong. I think most people would feel the same, and that homerphobe is the abnormal one, but who knows.

So if your entire family was murdered, out of fear of others thinking you were only seeking revenge or your own liberal stupidity, you would just shrug your shoulders and say what the hell, my familys gone, they got him, he'll not hurt anyone else, so I wish him well in prison? And you honestly think most people would feel the same? Anyone who thinks with that frame of mind is the abnormal one, buddy boy, and there's no question about it.