Executions R not us

[neoplacebo]

What's with these bungled death sentence executions lately? Not long ago, one in Oklahoma and just the other day another one in Arizona. WTF? They say it's because the preferred drugs needed are not being provided by the European suppliers; whatever these drugs are, they are denying their use for the purpose of killing people. Well, ok. I think that's bullshit; there's a whole grab bag of drugs that could be used in this manner. Phenobarbital, Sodium Pentothal, Heroin, and dozens of others. Anyone who's ever had general anesthesia should know it would be quite easy to kill someone with the tools of the anesthetists trade. I don't get it. Has the US prison system resorted to sadism as a response to the protest of the European drug makers? Why on earth not use commonly available drugs for this questionable act? Beats me.

[bannination]

What's with these bungled death sentence executions lately? Not long ago, one in Oklahoma and just the other day another one in Arizona. WTF? They say it's because the preferred drugs needed are not being provided by the European suppliers; whatever these drugs are, they are denying their use for the purpose of killing people. Well, ok. I think that's bullshit; there's a whole grab bag of drugs that could be used in this manner. Phenobarbital, Sodium Pentothal, Heroin, and dozens of others. Anyone who's ever had general anesthesia should know it would be quite easy to kill someone with the tools of the anesthetists trade. I don't get it. Has the US prison system resorted to sadism as a response to the protest of the European drug makers? Why on earth not use commonly available drugs for this questionable act? Beats me.

Because you have to kill them painfully, and you need specific drugs to do that.

[neoplacebo]

This thing, if it becomes a trend, could bring Dick Cheney out of retirement.

[bannination]

This thing, if it becomes a trend, could bring Dick Cheney out of retirement.

He retired?

I had assumed he just had his own office and lab at Gitmo.

[Mr.B]

"Why on earth not use commonly available drugs for this questionable act? Beats me."

I don't understand that either. I still say a firing squad is more 'humane', quicker, and much less costlier than a cocktail of expensive, lethal drugs. Git 'r done.

Federal Judge Favors Firing Squad

I have no pity for the murderer, and I still can't understand these people's reasoning:


AP

"No One Deserves To Die" the sign says. I would like to hear how he would explain why the father and daughter had to die at the hands of Joseph Wood, and I would like to know why Joseph Wood didn't deserve to die...

A savage dog (or any other animal) that attacks people is put down right away; no protest, no pickets......

A cold-blooded killer is no better than a savage animal.

[Mr.B]

"Death penalty cheerleaders have more faith in the accuracy, honesty and competence of government than I do."

Such is life.

"accuracy, honesty and competence of government" is not the issue here. Putting a rabid dog out of his miserable existence is the issue.

[neoplacebo]

The only faith I have in government is that the water comes out of my faucet (so far, so good) and that they will continue to take money from me. And I guess I can believe that they will make amateurish attempts to kill me should I commit a heinous crime.

[rstrong]

I think that's bullshit; there's a whole grab bag of drugs that could be used in this manner. Phenobarbital, Sodium Pentothal, Heroin, and dozens of others. Anyone who's ever had general anesthesia should know it would be quite easy to kill someone with the tools of the anesthetists trade.

Yup. Even just a quick overdose of morphine would do it. Apparently the victim gets a wonderful, brief sensation of well-being, and dies.

This SMBC comic sums up nicely the inevitable argument over that idea.

[Wneglia]

Nitrogen asphyxiation, while never tested for capital punishment, in theory offers a very inexpensive, humane, and essentially foolproof method that should be seriously explored.

[bannination]

How about we just don't kill anyone. Seems easy enough.

[Mr.B]

"How about we just don't kill anyone. Seems easy enough."

What...? Put 'em away for the rest of their lives and furnish them with 3 squares a day, free medical care, housing (albeit confinement)....then on the "harsher" side, expose them to the possibility of rape or serious injury (which would require more expensive medical care)...Yup, that's the ticket.
You are aware your tax dollars support these goons, don't you?

You said..."How about we just don't kill anyone".....so what's to do about the one(s) the murderer killed....? Just write them off as an "oh well!"...?

[Mr.B]

Your twist ain't working. Go back and read where I said the firing squad is a cheaper solution.

Regardless of the costs, you champion supporting their upkeep in prison. Hadn't you rather funnel your heart-bleed dollars into supporting the less fortunate who are in need, rather than these heart-less, gut-less goons?

I didn't say life is prison is an "oh well"......go back and re-read. Only someone who can't comprehend would say that.

[Mr.B]

(Bannination) said..."How about we just don't kill anyone".....

I said: "so what's to do about the one(s) the murderer killed....? Just write them off as an "oh well!"...? As in "oh well", he killed them, so what?

The murdered ones aren't in prison, dummy.

Now go write 100 times.......

[bannination]

Mr. B's obviously got killin on his brain. It's what Jesus would do.

[Mr.B]

Dang, you're being thick today. Obviously, Bannination was not saying that we should let murderers go free. So, there is no alternative, none, than that you were saying that life in prison for the killers is an "oh well!" to the victims.

[bannination]

Just goes to show that what might be obvious for normal people, isn't obvious to some.

[Boatrocker]

I have no particular problem with execution of those who so richly deserve it. But I no longer trust our justice system to provide justice. It has been tilted to provide "results." Not the same thing.

Amazing the number of RWNJs shrieking and screeching about gummint incompetence and general evil-mindedness, even though they have no qualms about letting the states tend to "justice" and executions.

[O Really]

I've got a good compromise between killing them and life in prison. Let's deport them to Somalia. Violent criminals would fit in quite well there - if they live long enough.

[neoplacebo]

Maybe the various states can contract with the Mexican and Central / South American cartels to get their drugs. After all, we already have an account with them. Just a thought.

[Mr.B]

'Pharmaceutical companies in Europe, Asia, and the US have refused to provide drugs to be used in executions. There is even a movement among architects to add to their code of ethics wording that would prohibit members from designing execution chambers.'

Let's see......I wonder..... if we went back to hanging or the firing squad, would the manufacturers refuse to make rope or bullets?
Or even the hoods that is put over their heads?

Are they (or you) naïve enough to believe that big pharma would really bite themselves in the butt and lose all that profit? <pfffft!>