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I'm reading some book Cherokee history and mythology. Thought this nugget was interesting/weird

Moon eyed people:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon-ey ... %20America.
The moon-eyed people are a legendary group of short, bearded white-skinned people who are said to have lived in Appalachia until the Cherokee expelled them.

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The Georgia Parks Division of the Department of Natural Resources, has a marker at Fort Mountain that mentions legends about the wall's origin. Of the moon-eyed people, the plaque says, "These people are said to have been unable to see during certain phases of the moon. During one of these phases, the Creek people annihilated the race. Some believe the moon-eyed people built the fortifications on this mountain."[11]

Today, there are differing published opinions about the moon-eyed people as to whether they were real people of prehistoric times or mythical people from folklore, whether "moon-eyed" means they had eyes like moons or were called moon-eyed because they could see better at night, whether they are indigenous peoples or of European origin.

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On the other hand, a long opinion piece by Rome News-Tribune reporter Stacy McCain, published in the Rome Tribune in 2008, says that it was an early Philadelphia author who first suggested that the "moon-eyed people"[12] were white. He says that the Cherokee legend, before then, did not mention color. McCain also points out that the Philadelphia piece, published in 1797, was picked up in 1823 by another author, who wrote of violent conflict between the Cherokee and some blond, blue-eyed, fair skinned inhabitants; park literature had attributed that legend to Cherokee chiefs. McCain writes, "Apparently Tennessee historian John Haywood qualifies as an 'ancient tribal chief,' since it was his 1823 book that first told of Cherokees slaughtering 'prehistoric white people'—though Heywood [sic] had apparently never heard of Fort Mountain."[12] He says t

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Whack9 wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:33 pm
I'm reading some book Cherokee history and mythology. Thought this nugget was interesting/weird

Moon eyed people:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon-eyed_people
The moon-eyed people are a legendary group of short, bearded white-skinned people who are said to have lived in Appalachia until the Cherokee expelled them.

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There are times, usually once I'm fairly well into getting my groove on, where I become one of the moon eyed. :shock:

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People buy sweet gum balls, apparently.

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People buy sweet gum balls, apparently.

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Whack9 wrote:
Thu Jan 26, 2023 6:38 pm
People buy sweet gum balls, apparently.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/704213066/ ... 1141648203

I have so much. Time to get rich.
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1) Learn to make scratch made corn dogs
2) Learn to collect sweet gum balls from my driveway and gutters
3) ...
4) Profit

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Whack9 wrote:
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1) Learn to make scratch made corn dogs
2) Learn to collect sweet gum balls from my driveway and gutters
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... In Chinese herbal medicine, lu lu tong, or "all roads open," is the hard, spiky fruit of native sweetgum species. It first appeared in the medical literature in Omissions from the Materia Medica, by Chen Cangqi, in 720 AD. Bitter in taste, aromatic, and neutral in temperature, lu lu tong is claimed to promote the movement of blood and qi, water metabolism and urination, expels wind, and unblocks the channels. It is supposedly an ingredient in formulas for epigastric distention or abdominal pain, anemia, irregular or scanty menstruation, low back or knee pain and stiffness, edema with difficult urination, or nasal congestion....
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinnikinnick
Kinnikinnick is a Native American and First Nations herbal smoking mixture, made from a traditional combination of leaves or barks. Recipes for the mixture vary, as do the uses, from social, to spiritual to medicinal.

The preparation varies by locality and nation. Bartlett quotes Trumbull as saying: "I have smoked half a dozen varieties of kinnikinnick in the North-west — all genuine; and have scraped and prepared the red willow-bark, which is not much worse than Suffield oak-leaf."[3][8]

Eastern tribes have traditionally used Nicotiana rustica for social smoking, while western tribes usually use a variety of kinnikinick for ceremonial use.[4] Cutler cites Edward S. Rutsch's study of the Iroquois, listing ingredients used by other Native American tribes: leaves or bark of red osier dogwood, arrowroot, red sumac, laurel, ironwood, wahoo, huckleberry, Indian tobacco, cherry bark, and mullein, among other ingredients.[4]
I did not know you could smoke all of those.

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Whack9 wrote:
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinnikinnick


I did not know you could smoke all of those.
I've smoked western kinnikinnick, no real prep just dried. Not terrible, but not satisfying enough to continue.
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Vrede too wrote:
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Whack9 wrote:
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinnikinnick


I did not know you could smoke all of those.
I've smoked western kinnikinnick, no real prep just dried. Not terrible, but not satisfying enough to continue.
I smoke mugwort on the reg. Sometimes I'll mix it with mullein, but that's as far as I've gone when it comes to herbal smokes. They both give you a slight relaxing buzz.

I've got some silky dogwood planted along my creek. I'm about to try it tonight.

You remember what your stuff had in it?

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Whack9 wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2023 8:25 am
Vrede too wrote:
Sun Jan 29, 2023 9:24 pm
Whack9 wrote:
Sun Jan 29, 2023 8:20 pm
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinnikinnick


I did not know you could smoke all of those.
I've smoked western kinnikinnick, no real prep just dried. Not terrible, but not satisfying enough to continue.
I smoke mugwort on the reg. Sometimes I'll mix it with mullein, but that's as far as I've gone when it comes to herbal smokes. They both give you a slight relaxing buzz.

I've got some silky dogwood planted along my creek. I'm about to try it tonight.

You remember what your stuff had in it?
Just kinnikinnick that I picked and dried myself. I don't recall any psychoactive effects like "a slight relaxing buzz."
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Vrede too wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:00 am
Whack9 wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2023 8:25 am
Vrede too wrote:
Sun Jan 29, 2023 9:24 pm
Whack9 wrote:
Sun Jan 29, 2023 8:20 pm
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinnikinnick


I did not know you could smoke all of those.
I've smoked western kinnikinnick, no real prep just dried. Not terrible, but not satisfying enough to continue.
I smoke mugwort on the reg. Sometimes I'll mix it with mullein, but that's as far as I've gone when it comes to herbal smokes. They both give you a slight relaxing buzz.

I've got some silky dogwood planted along my creek. I'm about to try it tonight.

You remember what your stuff had in it?
Just kinnikinnick that I picked and dried myself. I don't recall any psychoactive effects like "a slight relaxing buzz."
Ohhhh yeah I forgot there's a plant called that as well.

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Whack9 wrote:
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Ohhhh yeah I forgot there's a plant called that as well.
:doh: I wasn't paying attention to the fact that you were discussing a kinnikinnick "smoking mixture", sorry. Even worse, maybe I got it wrong all those years ago by just smoking the plant. :oops: :oops: :oops: :lol:
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Vrede too wrote:
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Whack9 wrote:
Mon Jan 30, 2023 9:03 am
Ohhhh yeah I forgot there's a plant called that as well.
:doh: I wasn't paying attention to the fact that you were discussing a kinnikinnick "smoking mixture", sorry. Even worse, maybe I got it wrong all those years ago by just smoking the plant. :oops: :oops: :oops: :lol:
Nah I think you had it right. Apparently the one you smoked is often used as the base of the mixtures.

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We had one of these about 20 ft. tall mixed into a hedge of Castor plants. Chicken here, never tried one. Same with the countless Jimson weed plants growing on the farm.


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billy.pilgrim wrote:
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We had one of these about 20 ft. tall mixed into a hedge of Castor plants. Chicken here, never tried one. Same with the countless Jimson weed plants growing on the farm.

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Probably smart w/o expert guidance.
Brugmansia

Brugmansia is a genus of seven species of flowering plants in the nightshade family Solanaceae....

Brugmansia species are amongst the most toxic of ornamental plants, containing tropane alkaloids of the type also responsible for the toxicity and deliriant effects of both jimsonweed and the infamous deadly nightshade....

Historical uses

Brugmansia contains deliriant hallucinogenic tropane alkaloids (atropine, scopolamine, and hyoscyamine) which cause delirium and hallucinations....

Brugmansia species have also traditionally been used in many South American indigenous cultures in medical preparations and as an entheogen in religious and spiritual ceremonies.[20] Medicinally, they have mostly been used externally as part of a poultice, tincture, ointment, or where the leaves are directly applied transdermally to the skin. Traditional external uses have included the treating of aches and pains, dermatitis, orchitis, arthritis, rheumatism, headaches, infections, and as an anti-inflammatory. They have been used internally much more rarely due to the inherent dangers of ingestion. Internal uses, in highly diluted preparations, and often as a portion of a larger mix, have included treatments for stomach and muscle ailments, as a decongestant, to induce vomiting, to expel worms and parasites, and as a sedative.

Several South American cultures have used Brugmansia species as a treatment for unruly children, so that they might be admonished directly by their ancestors in the spirit world, and thereby become more compliant. Mixed with maize beer and tobacco leaves, it has been used to drug wives and slaves before they were buried alive with their dead lord.
Unruly Ms.pilgrim and boy.pilgrim beware. :o

Maybe don't trust the experts, either:
In the Northern Peruvian Andes, shamans (curanderos) traditionally used Brugmansia species for initiation, divination, and black magic rituals. In some Latin American countries such as Colombia and Peru, members of the genus Brugmansia are reportedly used by malevolent sorcerers or "bad shamans" in some ayahuasca brews in attempt to take advantage of tourists....
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Toxicity

All parts of Brugmansia are potentially poisonous, with the seeds and leaves being especially dangerous. Brugmansia are rich in scopolamine (hyoscine), hyoscyamine, and several other tropane alkaloids which can lead to anticholinergic toxidrome and delirium. Effects of ingestion can include paralysis of smooth muscles, confusion, tachycardia, dry mouth, constipation, tremors, migraine headaches, poor coordination, delusions, visual and auditory hallucinations, mydriasis, rapid onset cycloplegia, and death.

The hallucinogenic effects of Brugmansia were described in the journal Pathology as "terrifying rather than pleasurable". The author Christina Pratt, in An Encyclopedia of Shamanism, says that "Brugmansia induces a powerful trance with violent and unpleasant effects, sickening after effects, and at times temporary insanity". These hallucinations are often characterized by complete loss of awareness that one is hallucinating, disconnection from reality (psychosis), and amnesia of the episode, such as one example reported in European Archives of Psychiatry and Clinical Neuroscience of a young man who amputated his own penis and tongue after drinking only one cup of Brugmansia sanguinea tea.
:o billy.pilgrim beware. ;)
In 1994 in Florida, 112 people were admitted to hospitals after ingesting Brugmansia, leading one municipality to prohibit the purchase, sale, or cultivation of Brugmansia plants....
Florida, figures :P . Just touching them could have been a trip:
n 2022 The BMJ reported the following case: A woman in her 50s presented to the emergency department with blurred vision and pupil asymmetry for 3 hours. The right pupil was dilated, while the left was normal. A detailed history revealed that she had been pruning plants in her garden, when the blurred vision started. She did not complain of any other symptom. When all tests proved normal, she was finally asked to provide a photo of her garden. Brugmansia suaveolens (angel’s trumpet) was identified in the picture. On asking specific history, she reported rubbing her right eye after touching the plant’s leaves and flowers. It shows that Brugmansia is highly toxic. Even touching the leaves and flowers can transfer sufficient amounts of active principles to the hand.
Also, a lot of hippies poisoned themselves with jimsonweed thanks to Carlos Castaneda and inexpert prep and dosing.
... It has also been used as a hallucinogen (of the anticholinergic/antimuscarinic, deliriant type), taken entheogenically to cause intense, sacred or occult visions. It is unlikely ever to become a major drug of abuse owing to effects upon both mind and body frequently perceived as being highly unpleasant, giving rise to a state of profound and long-lasting disorientation or delirium (anticholinergic syndrome) with a potentially fatal outcome. It contains tropane alkaloids which are responsible for the psychoactive effects, and may be severely toxic.
No thanks. I was mildly tempted, but lost interest after reading about others' irl experiences. IIRC Castaneda didn't even like it much. Maaaybe if I'd met the right shaman.
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Are you sure that trump Jr. didn't do it?
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