Politics over principles?

[Jasmine]

How is it that liberals supported Biden’s goals to promote electric vehicles, but now they’re vandalizing Teslas?

If Russia invaded Ukraine in 2017 and Trump provided monetary aid and weapons to Ukraine, would liberals support that?

It was liberals who introduced Title IX, but now liberals are okay with men participating in women’s sports? Why? Because Biden supports it?

What’s more important - politics or principles?

I will say that conservatives are just as guilty. Example: They spoke out about Bill Clinton’s sexual escapades, but dismiss Trump’s own sexual misdeeds.

Consistency would be nice.

[O Really]

How is it that liberals supported Biden’s goals to promote electric vehicles, but now they’re vandalizing Teslas? There are a lot of electric vehicles, Tesla is just one brand that now has the face of Musk, who is widely detested. You might really enjoy music but refuse to buy/listen to certain bands. The fact that Tesla happens to be electric is irrevelant.

If Russia invaded Ukraine in 2017 and Trump provided monetary aid and weapons to Ukraine, would liberals support that? Likely, if he went about it in a rational manner. Bad thing about Trump isn't always that his policy is wrong, it's that he never thinks it through or cares about consequences.

It was liberals who introduced Title IX, but now liberals are okay with men participating in women’s sports? Why? Because Biden supports it?
Hardly anybody is okay with "men participating in women's sports." They support re-gendered people who are, in this case, considered women. I don't agree with it myself, but it's not "men" playing.
What’s more important - politics or principles? For most people, politics, hands down. And that's part of our problem.

I will say that conservatives are just as guilty. Example: They spoke out about Bill Clinton’s sexual escapades, but dismiss Trump’s own sexual misdeeds. Naaa, that's just politics, that always has aspects of hypocrisy. If you want real examples of inconsistency and lack of principles, look at what Republicans stood for 30 years ago and what they're willing to do now.

Consistency would be nice.

[Jasmine]

How is it that liberals supported Biden’s goals to promote electric vehicles, but now they’re vandalizing Teslas? There are a lot of electric vehicles, Tesla is just one brand that now has the face of Musk, who is widely detested. You might really enjoy music but refuse to buy/listen to certain bands. The fact that Tesla happens to be electric is irrevelant.

If Russia invaded Ukraine in 2017 and Trump provided monetary aid and weapons to Ukraine, would liberals support that? Likely, if he went about it in a rational manner. Bad thing about Trump isn't always that his policy is wrong, it's that he never thinks it through or cares about consequences.

It was liberals who introduced Title IX, but now liberals are okay with men participating in women’s sports? Why? Because Biden supports it?
Hardly anybody is okay with "men participating in women's sports." They support re-gendered people who are, in this case, considered women. I don't agree with it myself, but it's not "men" playing.
What’s more important - politics or principles? For most people, politics, hands down. And that's part of our problem.

I will say that conservatives are just as guilty. Example: They spoke out about Bill Clinton’s sexual escapades, but dismiss Trump’s own sexual misdeeds. Naaa, that's just politics, that always has aspects of hypocrisy. If you want real examples of inconsistency and lack of principles, look at what Republicans stood for 30 years ago and what they're willing to do now.

Consistency would be nice.

Democrats have changed, too.

This is why I do not believe in political parties. Parties can shift. People should be about principle, not party.

[Vrede too]

How is it that liberals supported Biden’s goals to promote electric vehicles, but now they’re vandalizing Teslas?
"liberals" aren't vandalizing Teslas, silly, a handful of radicals are doing that. Anyhow, good job, you and Supplicantsalemgr are following the Faux Noise script to the letter:
viewtopic.php?p=209896#p209896

If Russia invaded Ukraine in 2017 and Trump provided monetary aid and weapons to Ukraine, would liberals support that?
Dolt .45 WAS providing monetary aid and weapons to Ukraine, until he tried to extort Zelenskyy to invent LIES about Biden. When he got caught he resumed the aid. We had a whole impeachment about this, remember?

It was liberals who introduced Title IX, but now liberals are okay with men participating in women’s sports? Why? Because Biden supports it?
You really are trans-obsessed, aren't you? Again adhering to the Faux Noise script Was 2 pages on the topic YOU started not sufficient before?
viewtopic.php?t=5099
Maybe you didn't like how we exposed con hypocrisy there and figured you'd try again:
viewtopic.php?p=206939#p206939

What’s more important - politics or principles?
Principles, including the one about not creating false equivalences.

I will say that conservatives are just as guilty. Example: They spoke out about Bill Clinton’s sexual escapades, but dismiss Trump’s own sexual misdeeds.
Another false equivalence. Bill had affairs, seedy, but TRE45QN bragged about sexual assault and committed rape.

Consistency would be nice.
Politics + unlimited money, thanks RepuQs = Winning > any principles.

[Jasmine]

How is it that liberals supported Biden’s goals to promote electric vehicles, but now they’re vandalizing Teslas?
"liberals" aren't vandalizing Teslas, silly, a handful of radicals are doing that. Anyhow, good job, you and Supplicantsalemgr are following the Faux Noise script to the letter:
viewtopic.php?p=209896#p209896

If Russia invaded Ukraine in 2017 and Trump provided monetary aid and weapons to Ukraine, would liberals support that?
Dolt .45 WAS providing monetary aid and weapons to Ukraine, until he tried to extort Zelenskyy to invent LIES about Biden. When he got caught he resumed the aid. We had a whole impeachment about this, remember?

It was liberals who introduced Title IX, but now liberals are okay with men participating in women’s sports? Why? Because Biden supports it?
You really are trans-obsessed, aren't you? Again adhering to the Faux Noise script Was 2 pages on the topic YOU started not sufficient before?
viewtopic.php?t=5099
Maybe you didn't like how we exposed con hypocrisy there and figured you'd try again:
viewtopic.php?p=206939#p206939

What’s more important - politics or principles?
Principles, including the one about not creating false equivalences.

I will say that conservatives are just as guilty. Example: They spoke out about Bill Clinton’s sexual escapades, but dismiss Trump’s own sexual misdeeds.
Another false equivalence. Bill had affairs, seedy, but TRE45QN bragged about sexual assault and committed rape.

Consistency would be nice.
Politics + unlimited money, thanks RepuQs = Winning > any principles.

Ha ha ha!

[Vrede too]

Democrats have changed, too.

This is why I do not believe in political parties. Parties can shift. People should be about principle, not party.

Agreed, the Dems didn't used to be so timid, corporatist and con. This is why I am not a Dem.

[O Really]

I would really be happy if the US had a parliamentary system like England, Canada, and others. Enough parties with a reasonable chance of winning some seats that you have to form coalitions to govern. Unfortunately in the US politics is a team game and your either in one team or the other team or you're sitting it out no matter how much you think your "protest" vote matters. No matter what they thought, in 2024 people votes either for (a) a party with flaws but that takes their responsibility of running the government seriously or (b) a party that has no interest in governing and will wreck the very basic principles of 250 years of history.

[Jasmine]

I would really be happy if the US had a parliamentary system like England, Canada, and others. Enough parties with a reasonable chance of winning some seats that you have to form coalitions to govern. Unfortunately in the US politics is a team game and your either in one team or the other team or you're sitting it out no matter how much you think your "protest" vote matters. No matter what they thought, in 2024 people votes either for (a) a party with flaws but that takes their responsibility of running the government seriously or (b) a party that has no interest in governing and will wreck the very basic principles of 250 years of history.

I see it differently, of course. I think in 2024 people voted for a change from the same old, same old.

Both parties (all parties, really) are flawed. But the democrats deserved to lose the elections. They fell victim to their own corruption and dishonesty.

In 2028, I hope all the candidates are fresh and young. No more decaying fossils.

[O Really]

Corruption and dishonesty? Seriously? F'rinstance? Voting against the status quo sounds good, especially if the status quo is you with your thumb in a vice. But if the alternative not only leaves that thumb but adds the other one and some teeth pulled with pliers, maybe that miserable status quo wasn't so awful after all.

[Jasmine]

Corruption and dishonesty? Seriously? F'rinstance? Voting against the status quo sounds good, especially if the status quo is you with your thumb in a vice. But if the alternative not only leaves that thumb but adds the other one and some teeth pulled with pliers, maybe that miserable status quo wasn't so awful after all.

I meant pretending that Biden still had all his wits and faculties, when it was obvious to most of us that he was deteriorating mentally and physically. I mean, it doesn’t get more corrupt and dishonest than that. Imagine propping up a carcass as the leader of our country? Who was really running things? The democrats tried to maintain the illusion, and paid the price when Biden glitched at the debate. By then, they didn’t have time to produce a viable alternative.

[1 CAT FAN]

Corruption and dishonesty? Seriously? F'rinstance? Voting against the status quo sounds good, especially if the status quo is you with your thumb in a vice. But if the alternative not only leaves that thumb but adds the other one and some teeth pulled with pliers, maybe that miserable status quo wasn't so awful after all.

I meant pretending that Biden still had all his wits and faculties, when it was obvious to most of us that he was deteriorating mentally and physically. I mean, it doesn’t get more corrupt and dishonest than that. Imagine propping up a carcass as the leader of our country? Who was really running things? The democrats tried to maintain the illusion, and paid the price when Biden glitched at the debate. By then, they didn’t have time to produce a viable alternative.

[Supsalemgr]

Corruption and dishonesty? Seriously? F'rinstance? Voting against the status quo sounds good, especially if the status quo is you with your thumb in a vice. But if the alternative not only leaves that thumb but adds the other one and some teeth pulled with pliers, maybe that miserable status quo wasn't so awful after all.

I meant pretending that Biden still had all his wits and faculties, when it was obvious to most of us that he was deteriorating mentally and physically. I mean, it doesn’t get more corrupt and dishonest than that. Imagine propping up a carcass as the leader of our country? Who was really running things? The democrats tried to maintain the illusion, and paid the price when Biden glitched at the debate. By then, they didn’t have time to produce a viable alternative.

Well stated.

[O Really]

Shirley you people can't be Sirius.

[neoplacebo]

Shirley you people can't be Sirius.

A more perfect example of the kind of damage Fox News has done to the country over the past couple decades will not be found. And multiply it by tens of millions.

[bannination]

It was liberals who introduced Title IX, but now liberals are okay with men participating in women’s sports? Why? Because Biden supports it?

Is this really true though? I just don't think the government should be making laws about it. That's the true issue I care about.

[GoCubsGo]

Hey, how about that?


GOP thinks the court orders they used against Biden should be outlawed — because they now target Trump
The old political adage that "where you stand depends upon where you sit" has been getting aired out in Washington.

Republicans and conservatives used to celebrate judges' issuance of nationwide court injunctions to block Biden policies or progressive government programs.

Now that nationwide court injunctions are being used to block Trump policies, however, onetime fans of the practice have decided that it's unconstitutional and illegal and needs to be outlawed.