Latest Witch Hunt -- IRS Non-scandal.

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First, the great "addition" to the scandal was the news that the IRS was also harassing, targeting, investigating, whatever conservative people, Romney donors, people who spoke against the administration, etc. Peggy Noonan ginned it up in one of her columns ... using anecdotal evidence, hearsay, and just twisted opinion.

One thing the wingnuts can do is frickin' whine.

Nate Silvers -- he of the most accurate election prediction fame -- laid that little gem to rest with statistical analysis.
His [Silvers'] conclusion? Uh, Noonan needs some more data if she’s going to corroborate her contention:

[E]ven with no political targeting at all, hundreds of thousands of conservative voters would have been chosen for audits in the I.R.S.’s normal course of business. Among these hundreds of thousands of voters, thousands would undoubtedly have gone beyond merely voting to become political activists.
The fact that Ms. Noonan has identified four conservatives from that group of thousands provides no evidence at all toward her hypothesis. Nor would it tell us very much if dozens or even hundreds of conservative activists disclosed that they had been audited. This is exactly what you would expect in a country where there are 1.5 million audits every year.
At the end of his post, Silver does a bit of knife-twisting, writing that some folks last year engaged in similar quantitative atrocities in concluding that Mitt Romney was likely to win the presidential election, “while dismissing polls that collectively surveyed hundreds of thousands of voters in swing states and largely showed Mr. Obama ahead.”
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And the next little gem was to claim that the IRS commissioner, (Bush-appointee) Doug Shulman, had visited Obama 157 times while his predecessor had visited Bush only once. The nutjob blogs (Daily Caller and the ever-incorrect IBD) and Fox News ran with that story.

The only problem is that it's not true. It seems Shulman signed in 11 times, not 157. It seems there "smoking gun" is about noteworthy as their whistleblowers were. I'm still waiting to hear one of those whistles.
Of course, it’s hard to get proof of “coordination” when the meetings didn’t take place. It turns out that Garance Franke-Ruta, a rather industrious writer at The Atlantic, bothered to sift through all of the documents in order to determine that actually, former IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman signed in for 11 visits, not 157, between 2009 and 2012 (my bold):

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“And yet the public meeting schedules available for review to any media outlet show that very thing: Shulman was cleared primarily to meet with administration staffers involved in implementation of the health-care reform bill,” Garance Franke-Ruta concludes (based on that pesky thing called actual evidence).
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Oh, yeah. The one visit to the Bush White House that Shulman's predecessor was credited with? The Bush records are not open to the public. That made it up.

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Stinger wrote:One thing the wingnuts can do is frickin' whine.
So, tell me; who would be doing the "frickin' whining" had the "witch hunt" been on the Democratic Party? :-0?> -0-? Uh Oh!

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Probably no one since it's a total non-issue. LeoX I realize you like to take the contrary position no matter what it is, but as an x-LEO, would you find it inappropriate for LE to pay special attention to a group with the word terrorists or gang in the title?
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Leo Lyons wrote:
Stinger wrote:One thing the wingnuts can do is frickin' whine.
So, tell me; who would be doing the "frickin' whining" had the "witch hunt" been on the Democratic Party? :-0?> -0-? Uh Oh!
The whining's not about the witch hunt. The witch hunt -- yet another one -- is occurring in Congress. The tea-che bags are whining about conservatives getting audited by the IRS. For a group that audits about 30,000 millionaires a year, everyone except the exceptionally dim would expect conservative supporters to be audited. Whining about the rational world playing itself out logically and rationally.

None of whines reach the level of Poor Wittle Weo's whining about being falsely accused.

Of course, a rational explanation could clear those matters up.

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Vrede wrote:
Leo Lyons wrote:
Stinger wrote:One thing the wingnuts can do is frickin' whine.
So, tell me; who would be doing the "frickin' whining" had the "witch hunt" been on the Democratic Party? :-0?> -0-? Uh Oh!
A few maybe, but since Dems in general favor strengthening of tax law as it relates to campaign finance and more active enforcement of what we've got, overall the reaction would have been quite different. What's your opinion, should groups engaged in political work be skating so they're tax exempt or not?
Actually, it was some of the Pubs who were demanding regulation of the non-profits just a few years back ... in the prehistoric era before January 20, 2009.

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The only scandal was how easy the IRS is on these groups--both left and right--that are
clearly operating as political organizations but claiming they are social welfare groups. It
seems they've been letting this stuff go unexamined for a long time. They really need to
clamp down on this stuff, but I doubt they will, especially now.

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Bungalow Bill wrote:The only scandal was how easy the IRS is on these groups--both left and right--that are
clearly operating as political organizations but claiming they are social welfare groups. It
seems they've been letting this stuff go unexamined for a long time. They really need to
clamp down on this stuff, but I doubt they will, especially now.
They have no guidance. Our dysfunctional Congress won't give them any guidelines (it's their job), the IRS won't send down any guidelines (because Congress hasn't provided any), so the flunkies are left to pretend they're doing their jobs. If they turn a group down and the group challenges them, they don't have any guidelines or rules to support their denial. I'm glad it's not my job.

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I don't know all the details, but this seems to have been going on for a while--giving
groups that have no right to be classified as social welfare groups tax exemptions.
It would be great if they had some guidance so this farce doesn't continue, but I
wouldn't count on it.

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Ombudsman wrote:Probably no one since it's a total non-issue. LeoX I realize you like to take the contrary position no matter what it is, but as an x-LEO, would you find it inappropriate for LE to pay special attention to a group with the word terrorists or gang in the title?
Bump.
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I happened to unluckily come across one of John Fogle's brain dead rants in the Times-News Friday I think it was. He was whining monumentally about the same old trifecta of non issues......the IRS "scandal," the Fox News reporter "scandal" and of course the old standby, Benghazi. The amount of stupidity that flows from that moron is truly astounding. It made my head hurt.

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Vrede wrote:
A U.S. Internal Revenue Service manager, who described himself as a conservative Republican, told congressional investigators that he and a local colleague decided to give conservative groups the extra scrutiny that has prompted weeks of political controversy.

In an official interview transcript released on Sunday by Democratic Representative Elijah Cummings, the manager said he and an underling set aside "Tea Party" and "patriot" groups that had applied for tax-exempt status because the organizations appeared to pose a new precedent that could affect future IRS filings...

http://news.yahoo.com/democrat-irs-test ... 42119.html
Opps.
And, that makes a lot of sense. If groups are known political, let's take a good hard look before giving them a tax break.

I was behind a car yesterday that had bumperstickers that read: "T.E.A. Taxed Enough Already;" OneBigAssMistakeAmerica;" "N.R.A.;" "Liberals are Brain Dead;" and "More Jesus." Wow, that sums it all up on one hatchback!

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Dryer Vent wrote:
Vrede wrote:
A U.S. Internal Revenue Service manager, who described himself as a conservative Republican, told congressional investigators that he and a local colleague decided to give conservative groups the extra scrutiny that has prompted weeks of political controversy.

In an official interview transcript released on Sunday by Democratic Representative Elijah Cummings, the manager said he and an underling set aside "Tea Party" and "patriot" groups that had applied for tax-exempt status because the organizations appeared to pose a new precedent that could affect future IRS filings...

http://news.yahoo.com/democrat-irs-test ... 42119.html
Opps.
And, that makes a lot of sense. If groups are known political, let's take a good hard look before giving them a tax break.

I was behind a car yesterday that had bumperstickers that read: "T.E.A. Taxed Enough Already;" OneBigAssMistakeAmerica;" "N.R.A.;" "Liberals are Brain Dead;" and "More Jesus." Wow, that sums it all up on one hatchback!
That was probably Fogle.

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Dryer Vent wrote:
And, that makes a lot of sense. If groups are known political, let's take a good hard look before giving them a tax break.
Particularly groups who make it one of their missions to avoid paying taxes.
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Perhaps the teabaggers should have been given tax exempt status for maybe 18 months and then get a letter from the IRS saying they have made an unfortunate error (or else a letter saying that "due to the actions and activities of your organization over the previous eighteen months, we have determined that your organization does not meet the qualifications for a tax exempt organization. We are still determining the amount of penalties and fines that will be levied on your organization, and will forward same to you as soon as possible"). Would this be perceived as a "scandal" or just a criminal matter?


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Damn; I'd just about bet that Colonel Taylor is back, but incognito.

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Nail on the head. The right is twisting and spinning this as hard as they can, just like they did with Benghazi, Fast and Furious, and all the other witch hunts.

All they're doing is spinning their wheels.

Now, where's that jobs bill and the economic agenda they babbled about? Oh, that's right. They never had one.

They're only agenda is to defeat every Obama initiative without any concern for what it costs the American people.

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Thorny, still funny after all these years.:

So will this get any tractor or just another day at the office for
the most Open Administration in History? By CBS no less!

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Hard to blame that one on a typo. That place is getting even more
and more bizarre, if that is possible.

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