Race, lets make this serious! It is nearly 2013.

[GoCubsGo]

This has all the makings for a happy ending for all involved.

I'll bet there's still a curfew for Blacks and Latinos.

Ha!

[billy.pilgrim]

It would be a long debate over how much of our current situation is Abe's fault and how much is the fault of crybaby Southern historical revisionists.

You resort to name calling so fast. Are you directing that toward me?

All this time I thought you were a pacifist and understood that politicians do things for political reasons.

You sure have thin skin. That was directed at crybaby Southern historical revisionists, NOT you unless you are one.

I'm no pacifist, and I'm admitting that reasonable people can give Abe a share of the blame. Pay attention.

Back to the topic, I don't understand your argument:

IF slavery was on its way out and;
IF Abe was not an abolitionist;
THEN, wasn't it really stupid of the SOUTH to secede and attack federal facilities over slavery, thus committing economic, social and literal suicide? Unless, of course, the intent was really to keep millions enslaved as long as possible, and expand slavery in the West. How many years of that would have been acceptable?

I don't understand your "ifs"

Slavery was on its way out everywhere. That's a documented fact.
In Abe's own words he puts the Union over slavery. Another fact.
Maybe it was stupid to secede, it was SC.

The rest is all opinion, could be true. I think that the rest of the world would have objected and it would have ended much like it ended elsewhere.

[billy.pilgrim]

This has all the makings for a happy ending for all involved.

I'll bet there's still a curfew for Blacks and Latinos.

Of course. Why tonight? Are they celebrating Juneteenth?

[billy.pilgrim]

This has all the makings for a happy ending for all involved.

Well, that sure is a load off my troubled mind.......hearing Mayor P.T. Barnum bless this fascist fandango warms my soul. Now if they will only begin issuing each rally attendee an AR-15 everything would be just trumpy bigly.

I'd happily donate to the cause of distributing a few cases of sneezing powder to the rally attendees.

bingo

[Vrede too]

I don't understand your "ifs"

Slavery was on its way out everywhere. That's a documented fact.
In Abe's own words he puts the Union over slavery. Another fact.

Just presenting your arguments without diving into an extended debate about each and other considerations.

Maybe it was stupid to secede, it was SC.

"Maybe"? Doesn't that automatically follow from your ifs, and didn't TN, AL and FL follow SC's lead?

The rest is all opinion, could be true. I think that the rest of the world would have objected and it would have ended much like it ended elsewhere.

My question stands - How many more years of keeping millions enslaved would have been acceptable?

[Vrede too]

This has all the makings for a happy ending for all involved.

I'll bet there's still a curfew for Blacks and Latinos.

Of course. Why tonight? Are they celebrating Juneteenth?

They're celebrating the influx of thousands of old White Repugs.

[billy.pilgrim]

I don't understand your "ifs"

Slavery was on its way out everywhere. That's a documented fact.
In Abe's own words he puts the Union over slavery. Another fact.

Just presenting your arguments without diving into an extended debate about each and other considerations.

Maybe it was stupid to secede, it was SC.

"Maybe"? Doesn't that automatically follow from your ifs, and didn't TN, AL and FL follow SC's lead?

The rest is all opinion, could be true. I think that the rest of the world would have objected and it would have ended much like it ended elsewhere.

My question stands - How many more years of keeping millions enslaved would have been acceptable?

in the grand scheme of 10,000+ years and considering how much better blacks have it in countries that did it without a war that seems to still be going strong 150 years later, I would say only that there could have been a better way.

It's a lot more complicated than simple black and white answers - even for Lincoln and he was a damn politician.

[Vrede too]

Leaving aside the fact that a lot of our current problems are due to crybaby Southern historical revisionists and pitiful racists, I agree that everyone at the time made the worst possible decisions as measured by just the contemporary national tragedy. What the alternative was, who it also would have been a tragedy for and whether America would have been like the rest of the world, I can't say. It was only here that the slavers chose war when they were already losing politically.

[neoplacebo]

It would be a long debate over how much of our current situation is Abe's fault and how much is the fault of crybaby Southern historical revisionists.

You resort to name calling so fast. Are you directing that toward me?

All this time I thought you were a pacifist and understood that politicians do things for political reasons.

You sure have thin skin. That was directed at crybaby Southern historical revisionists, NOT you unless you are one.

I'm no pacifist, and I'm admitting that reasonable people can give Abe a share of the blame. Pay attention.

Back to the topic, I don't understand your argument:

IF slavery was on its way out and;
IF Abe was not an abolitionist;
THEN, wasn't it really stupid of the SOUTH to secede and attack federal facilities over slavery, thus committing economic, social and literal suicide? Unless, of course, the intent was really to keep millions enslaved as long as possible, and expand slavery in the West. How many years of that would have been acceptable?

I don't understand your "ifs"

Slavery was on its way out everywhere. That's a documented fact.
In Abe's own words he puts the Union over slavery. Another fact.
Maybe it was stupid to secede, it was SC.

The rest is all opinion, could be true. I think that the rest of the world would have objected and it would have ended much like it ended elsewhere.

Slavery in the American south was, for slave owners, more of an economic issue than a moral or ethical one. The availability of abundant cheap (free) labor was an essential factor in the operation of the typical southern agrarian plantation type operation. The vast majority of white southerners did not own a slave. The economic model of a capitalist system depends on utilizing the cheapest labor possible; this is why just about nothing is made in America anymore. After the US civil war, "blue collar" workers became the new slaves; they were slaves to their jobs. This economic slavery has in the past half century trickled down to embrace foreign labor and this process is now making slaves of the capitalists to the cheap labor they've become addicted to. And if the slaves decide to stop work or stop sending the results of their labors to America, then we are like the Confederacy; we will lose. We've been losing for about fifty years.

[Vrede too]

Chick-fil-A CEO urged white people to take action against racism and said he does not blame looters after multiple locations were damaged last week

[billy.pilgrim]

It would be a long debate over how much of our current situation is Abe's fault and how much is the fault of crybaby Southern historical revisionists.

You resort to name calling so fast. Are you directing that toward me?

All this time I thought you were a pacifist and understood that politicians do things for political reasons.

You sure have thin skin. That was directed at crybaby Southern historical revisionists, NOT you unless you are one.

I'm no pacifist, and I'm admitting that reasonable people can give Abe a share of the blame. Pay attention.

Back to the topic, I don't understand your argument:

IF slavery was on its way out and;
IF Abe was not an abolitionist;
THEN, wasn't it really stupid of the SOUTH to secede and attack federal facilities over slavery, thus committing economic, social and literal suicide? Unless, of course, the intent was really to keep millions enslaved as long as possible, and expand slavery in the West. How many years of that would have been acceptable?

I don't understand your "ifs"

Slavery was on its way out everywhere. That's a documented fact.
In Abe's own words he puts the Union over slavery. Another fact.
Maybe it was stupid to secede, it was SC.

The rest is all opinion, could be true. I think that the rest of the world would have objected and it would have ended much like it ended elsewhere.

Slavery in the American south was, for slave owners, more of an economic issue than a moral or ethical one. The availability of abundant cheap (free) labor was an essential factor in the operation of the typical southern agrarian plantation type operation. The vast majority of white southerners did not own a slave. The economic model of a capitalist system depends on utilizing the cheapest labor possible; this is why just about nothing is made in America anymore. After the US civil war, "blue collar" workers became the new slaves; they were slaves to their jobs. This economic slavery has in the past half century trickled down to embrace foreign labor and this process is now making slaves of the capitalists to the cheap labor they've become addicted to. And if the slaves decide to stop work or stop sending the results of their labors to America, then we are like the Confederacy; we will lose. We've been losing for about fifty years.

Mostly agree, except with help from Jim Crow we created a level below blue collar exclusively for blacks.

War is always about money. Or it's money that starts and promotes war, slavery, exploitation ... there's also a lot of dumbass misplaced patriotism.

We seem to be at the End Times of our capitalism - the monolopy game may be coming to a close

[Vrede too]

Mostly agree, except with help from Jim Crow we created a level below blue collar exclusively for blacks.

War is always about money. Or it's money that starts and promotes war, slavery, exploitation ... there's also a lot of dumbass misplaced patriotism.

We seem to be at the End Times of our capitalism - the monolopy game may be coming to a close

What's your guess on its replacement?

[Vrede too]

(Laurel) Mississippi mayor in tears after ordering removal of state flag from city buildings

... The order signed by Mayor Johnny Magee reads that "there comes a point in time in the annals of history when it becomes necessary to re-define who we are and what a collection of people represent" and the state's flag — which includes the Confederate battle flag — "should be a unifying image of our ideals and values".

"Now is such a time," he said....

"I don't apologise for being emotional," Mayor Magee said during a press conference on 23 June. "I have lived through some things with this flag and as they told [Martin Luther King Jr] to wait. Time for waiting is over."

The state's legislature is poised to vote on a measure to remove and replace the flag with a different design this week.

Several powerful organisations in the state have also pressured Governor Tate Reeves and lawmakers to swiftly adopt a new flag.

The Mississippi Baptist Convention Board, the state's largest religious congregation with more than 500,000 members and 2,100 churches, has called for a "change to the current flag in order to mitigate the hurt that its symbolism entails".

Wow.

Walmart, which has 65 stores and employs more than 20,000 people in the state, also announced it will no longer fly the flag at its stores.

Last week, the NCAA announced that it will not host major events in the state until the Confederate flag is removed. Several athletes have refused to play in protest.

Coaches from Mississippi's public universities joined the state's Legislative Black Caucus and black ministers from across the state at the capital of Jackson on Thursday to pressure lawmakers to change the state flag.

City officials in Gulfport also unanimously voted to remove the flag, swapping it for an older design featuring a magnolia tree and a blue square with a white star, representing the Confederacy's Bonnie Blue flag.

Ummm, that's NOT progress.

... Following the murders of nine black churchgoers in Charleston, North Carolina by a white supremacist in 2014, Mississippi's public universities and several jurisdictions stopped flying the flag.

The flags in Laurel will be retired to a local library as part of a collection of historic documents and artefacts....

Love this next site:
UnFox News
Not Republican propaganda

Mississippi appears to have votes to change flag, lawmaker says

... State Rep. Robert Johnson III, the Democratic leader of the state House of Representatives, told NBC News that all the needed votes “appear to be there,” adding that legislative action could happen as soon as Friday.

Mississippi is the last state in the nation whose flag features the Confederate emblem.

“Supporters of a flag change worked through the night to secure the remaining votes necessary for a successful vote to change the state flag,” Johnson said. “The votes to make that change are there in the House and appear to be there in the Senate. There very well may be a first step taken today in the House by passing a rules suspension to take up a bill to remove the current state flag.”

Gov. Tate Reeves, a Republican who has opposed changing the flag through the legislature, acknowledged Thursday in a Facebook post that vetoing such legislation would be “pointless.” ...

Welcome to the 20th Century, don't stop now.

Comments:

I'm OK with them using the new Confederate flag

BLM APPROVED MISSISSIPPI FLAG

Here's yet another story that's sure to bring the whiny confederate flag-waving losers out of the woodwork. "Stop trying to erase history!" they'll cry. Again.

Don't worry, morons. We will never forget history. We will always remember that the confederacy was a pack of treasonous idiots who fought for a deeply immoral cause and got their tails kicked. We don't need your loser flags and statues to remind us. You lost. Over 150 years ago. Get over it.

I can't believe that so ignorant and backward a state would finally show some sign of progress and concern for humanity.

Change it to a yellow stained wife-beater!

Man oh man. Talk about ALOT of pissed off 'necks. This is going to be a doozy.

George Floyd led a flawed life, but I'd be hard-pressed to name anyone with a more meaningful death.

[Vrede too]

"The pedestal where the statue of Confederate general Albert Pike remains empty after it was toppled by protesters at Judiciary square in Washington, DC on June 20, 2020"

The Trump administration told Facebook and Twitter to remove posts that call for tearing down statues

banni, you're next in PINO's sights.

TEAR THEM DOWN!!!

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Mississippi lawmakers vote to remove rebel emblem from flag

... Republican Gov. Tate Reeves has said he will sign the bill, and the state flag will lose its official status as soon as he does. That could happen in the next few days....

A commission is to design a new flag that cannot include the Confederate symbol and that must have the words “In God We Trust.” Voters will be asked to approve the new design in the Nov. 3 election. If they reject it, the commission will set a different design using the same guidelines, and that would be sent to voters later.

Mississippi has a 38% Black population — and the last state flag that incorporates the emblem that’s widely seen as racist.

Republican House Speaker Philip Gunn, who is white, has pushed for five years to change the flag, saying that the Confederate symbol is offensive. The House passed the bill 91-23 Sunday afternoon. Within hours, the Senate followed suit, 37-14....

Debate over changing the flag has arisen before, and in recent years an increasing number of cities and all the state’s public universities have taken it down on their own. But the issue has never garnered enough support in the conservative Republican-dominated Legislature or with recent governors.

That dynamic shifted in a matter of weeks as an extraordinary and diverse coalition of political, business, religious groups and sports leaders pushed to change the flag.

At a Black Lives Matter protest outside the Mississippi Governor’s Mansion in early June, thousands cheered as an organizer said the state needs to divorce itself from all Confederate symbols.

Religious groups — including the large and influential Mississippi Baptist Convention — said erasing the rebel emblem from the state flag is a moral imperative.

Business groups said the banner hinders economic development in one of the poorest states in the nation.

In a sports-crazy culture, the biggest blow might have happened when college sports leagues said Mississippi could lose postseason events if it continued flying the Confederate-themed flag. Nearly four dozen of Mississippi’s university athletic directors and coaches came to the Capitol to lobby for change....

Democratic state Sen. Derrick Simmons of Greenville, who is African American, said the state deserves a flag that will make all people proud.

“Today is a history-making day in the state of Mississippi,” Simmons told colleagues. “Let’s vote today for the Mississippi of tomorrow.”

We'll have to wait for the atheists' victory in the next Civil War to deal with that “In God We Trust" thing.

[Vrede too]

Groundbreaking report reveals racial bias in English (language) football commentary
Players with lighter skin more often praised for intelligence
Power and pace referenced more often if player has darker skin

... More than 2,000 statements from commentary on 80 games across the Premier League, Serie A, La Liga and Ligue 1 were analysed.
Troy Deeney urges social media firms and government to tackle racism
Read more

RunRepeat ratio-adjusted its numbers to account for the fact there were 1,361 comments about lighter-skinned players and 713 about darker-skinned players and found the former group more widely praised for intelligence (62.60%), hard work (60.40%) and quality (62.79%). Commentators are also 6.59 times more likely to talk about the power of a player if he has darker skin and 3.38 times more likely to reference his pace.

The study also found that 63.33% of criticism from commentators in regards to the intelligence of a player is aimed at those with darker skin, while the figure for quality is 67.57%....

RunRepeat’s research took six months and centred on 20 games from each league in the 2019-20 season. Only English-language commentary was analysed in order to avoid errors caused by inaccurate translations and this was sourced from seven broadcasters: Sky Sports, BT Sport, FreeSports, beIN Sports, TSN, NBCSN and ESPN. The focus was on commentators and co‑commentators who speak as games are happening, and not on studio pundits. About 5% of the commentators and co-commentators were from a BAME (Black, Asian and minority ethnic) background....

This is one of the manifestation of systemic racism. I'll bet few of the commentators studied see themselves as racist in any way.

Fwiw, I never say, "I'm not racist." I don't think it's possible to grow up in America without racial biases. Perhaps that's improving, idk. It's one reason that I think it's important to actively counteract those inherent biases rather than ignoring the issue.

[Vrede too]

To: traviscowan@townofwilliamston.com, bethcoltrain@townofwilliamston.com, mayor@townofwilliamston.com, jodaniel@townofwilliamston.com, christinacraft@townofwilliamston.com
Subject: Police racism

Dear:
Travis Cowan - Police Chief
Beth Coltrain - Police Captain
Joyce Whichard-Brown - Town Mayor
John O'Daniel - Town Administrator
Christina Craft - Town Clerk/Executive Assistant (forward to all Town Commissioners, please)

Re:
(Williamston, North Carolina) Hampton Inn employee fired for calling cops on Black guests at the pool; Hilton apologizes
https://www.yahoo.com/news/hampton-inn- ... 43220.html

There should be zero toleration for racist enabling by your officers, especially in a town that is about 57.5% African American (Wiki). Please discipline them appropriately up to and including termination, and definitely implement reeducation if not terminated.

Sincerely,
(Vrede too)

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Mississippi lawmakers vote to remove rebel emblem from flag



We'll have to wait for the atheists' victory in the next Civil War to deal with that “In God We Trust" thing.

Signed by the Repug Gov today. He'd initially expressed a preference for a referendum.

[Vrede too]

Why not insult two races in one tweet?

Latest Trump Tweet:

I will Veto the Defense Authorization Bill if the Elizabeth “Pocahontas” Warren (of all people!) Amendment, which will lead to the renaming (plus other bad things!) of Fort Bragg, Fort Robert E. Lee, and many other Military Bases from which we won Two World Wars, is in the Bill!
(Liked by 62223 people.)

I wonder which fort he criminally cowered from in the 1960s?

[Whack9]

Why not insult two races in one tweet?

Latest Trump Tweet:

I will Veto the Defense Authorization Bill if the Elizabeth “Pocahontas” Warren (of all people!) Amendment, which will lead to the renaming (plus other bad things!) of Fort Bragg, Fort Robert E. Lee, and many other Military Bases from which we won Two World Wars, is in the Bill!
(Liked by 62223 people.)

I wonder which fort he criminally cowered from in the 1960s?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Warren is calling for the bases to be razed and the earth underneath salted. She's just asking for them to be renamed, meaning they're still the same bases "from which we won Two World Wars". They'll just have a different name.