At some point that we may have already passed it becomes more useful to work on mediation and adaptation than it does prevention.
That, or just go to a beach that doesn't have oil and sit in the sun on a day it's not obscured by smoke. Or take a hike in a mountain area that hasn't burned yet. And stay away from most of the covid-carrying moon-droolers.
I kinda meant society, but I was also thinking about individuals. At first I was going to post, "At some point we might as well choose hedonism." Great minds. However, I decided to be a little more responsible , and was also thinking about the choices that younger folks now face.
Lament the murder, not the murdered.
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That, or just go to a beach that doesn't have oil and sit in the sun on a day it's not obscured by smoke. Or take a hike in a mountain area that hasn't burned yet. And stay away from most of the covid-carrying moon-droolers.
Easier said than done. Especially the last part about staying away from "covid-carrying moon-droolers"... LOL...
I'm putting off any major travel until next spring.
At some point that we may have already passed it becomes more useful to work on mediation and adaptation than it does prevention.
That, or just go to a beach that doesn't have oil and sit in the sun on a day it's not obscured by smoke. Or take a hike in a mountain area that hasn't burned yet. And stay away from most of the covid-carrying moon-droolers.
I kinda meant society, but I was also thinking about individuals. At first I was going to post, "At some point we might as well choose hedonism." Great minds. However, I decided to be a little more responsible , and was also thinking about the choices that younger folks now face.
Yes but "society" no longer has any will to do diddly squat about anything. And whatever individuals do doesn't matter in the overall scheme of things. But I don't advocate turning into environmental trashers. I just think it's time to recognize that the earth is on the unchangeable downhill and will be a different place to live in than we used to enjoy. And the US is on the downhill on the way to a loss of what "America" used to believe itself - or try -to be.
That, or just go to a beach that doesn't have oil and sit in the sun on a day it's not obscured by smoke. Or take a hike in a mountain area that hasn't burned yet. And stay away from most of the covid-carrying moon-droolers.
Easier said than done. Especially the last part about staying away from "covid-carrying moon-droolers"... LOL...
I'm putting off any major travel until next spring.
We'll see.
Oh, I dunno. You live in an area with high vax rates and good containment efforts. And if you don't hang with people that you don't know if they're vaxed or not, you're pretty safe.
Yes but "society" no longer has any will to do diddly squat about anything. And whatever individuals do doesn't matter in the overall scheme of things. But I don't advocate turning into environmental trashers. I just think it's time to recognize that the earth is on the unchangeable downhill and will be a different place to live in than we used to enjoy. And the US is on the downhill on the way to a loss of what "America" used to believe itself - or try -to be.
I had hopes that people might force govt and business to do the right thing, but I am not able to say you're wrong. That said, we will be forced to try to mediate and adapt. There's no alternative besides dying.
Lament the murder, not the murdered.
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Some might argue that there's no alternative to dying, eventually.
I don't think that extinction is in the cards, yet. So, surviving individuals and groups will have to have done something.
Oh, I thought you were referring to individuals, all of whom will likely eventually die. Opps. I don't think total extinction is any time soon, either, although if you make more places uninhabitable, get to extreme food and water shortages, make fuels unattainable or unaffordable, you might get a real life version of "Road Warrior."
Some might argue that there's no alternative to dying, eventually.
I don't think that extinction is in the cards, yet. So, surviving individuals and groups will have to have done something.
Oh, I thought you were referring to individuals, all of whom will likely eventually die. Opps. I don't think total extinction is any time soon, either, although if you make more places uninhabitable, get to extreme food and water shortages, make fuels unattainable or unaffordable, you might get a real life version of "Road Warrior."
The super rich have enough resources and technology to build whatever is necessary to keep them and a labor force alive. Maybe Mad Max out on the edges, but mostly it's snipers, walls and gates and tunnels leading down to cavernous spaces.
Trump: “We had the safest border in the history of our country - or at least recorded history. I guess maybe a thousand years ago it was even better.”
The super rich have enough resources and technology to build whatever is necessary to keep them and a labor force alive. Maybe Mad Max out on the edges, but mostly it's snipers, walls and gates and tunnels leading down to cavernous spaces.
As long as the global economy doesn't totally crash. But if stocks and most cash become mostly worthless, the ruling class will be the neoplacebos who've been hoarding gold and diamonds.
That, or just go to a beach that doesn't have oil and sit in the sun on a day it's not obscured by smoke. Or take a hike in a mountain area that hasn't burned yet. And stay away from most of the covid-carrying moon-droolers.
Easier said than done. Especially the last part about staying away from "covid-carrying moon-droolers"... LOL...
I'm putting off any major travel until next spring.
We'll see.
Oh, I dunno. You live in an area with high vax rates and good containment efforts. And if you don't hang with people that you don't know if they're vaxed or not, you're pretty safe.
Oh, well, what's the point of travel unless you hang with people you don't previously know?
Although I'm planning on a little trip down south aways to the park I used to visit as a teen. Not exactly a day trip, though. We'll see.
Oh, well, what's the point of travel unless you hang with people you don't previously know?
Depends on how you do your hanging. We encounter interesting people all the time. We just talk from a reasonable distance, don't go to bars, inside restaurants, or churches and do most of our socializing outside. Sure you may miss stuffing yourself into a packed brauhaus and all loudly singing and yelling during Oktoberfest, but there are good alternatives.
Oh, well, what's the point of travel unless you hang with people you don't previously know?
Depends on how you do your hanging. We encounter interesting people all the time. We just talk from a reasonable distance, don't go to bars, inside restaurants, or churches and do most of our socializing outside. Sure you may miss stuffing yourself into a packed brauhaus and all loudly singing and yelling during Oktoberfest, but there are good alternatives.
Oh, well, what's the point of travel unless you hang with people you don't previously know?
Depends on how you do your hanging. We encounter interesting people all the time. We just talk from a reasonable distance, don't go to bars, inside restaurants, or churches and do most of our socializing outside. Sure you may miss stuffing yourself into a packed brauhaus and all loudly singing and yelling during Oktoberfest, but there are good alternatives.
Are caves considered indoor or outdoor?
Funny. But for covid purposes, I'd consider them outdoors if they're large caves and not big crowds. Public caves are usually pretty well ventilated. OTOH, I probably wouldn't go into something like Lewis and Clark Caverns in Montana because they tend to herd you in largish groups through fairy narrow places, with a good bit of standing around together.
Oh, well, what's the point of travel unless you hang with people you don't previously know?
Depends on how you do your hanging. We encounter interesting people all the time. We just talk from a reasonable distance, don't go to bars, inside restaurants, or churches and do most of our socializing outside. Sure you may miss stuffing yourself into a packed brauhaus and all loudly singing and yelling during Oktoberfest, but there are good alternatives.
Are caves considered indoor or outdoor?
Funny. But for covid purposes, I'd consider them outdoors if they're large caves and not big crowds. Public caves are usually pretty well ventilated. OTOH, I probably wouldn't go into something like Lewis and Clark Caverns in Montana because they tend to herd you in largish groups through fairy narrow places, with a good bit of standing around together.
These are talus caves, so they are generally well ventilated. However I just checked with the NPS and they are subject to closure for most of the year due to environmental constraints involving the breeding of big ear bats.
These are talus caves, so they are generally well ventilated. However I just checked with the NPS and they are subject to closure for most of the year due to environmental constraints involving the breeding of big ear bats.
So there is that.
Bats everywhere are threatened by White-nose syndrome. I'm not sure that any caving sans extreme decontamination procedures that tourists are never put through is responsible. I've ceased visiting them.
Lament the murder, not the murdered.
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Townsend's big-eared bat (Corynorhinus townsendii) is a species of vesper bat.
As far as I can tell, while it can carry the fungus, the Townsend big ear bat does not get sick with white nose syndrome. The caving restrictions here are in place primarily to protect the bat population during mating/breeding season(s).
As far as I can tell, while it can carry the fungus, the Townsend big ear bat does not get sick with white nose syndrome. The caving restrictions here are in place primarily to protect the bat population during mating/breeding season(s).
Don't caves often have more than one species of bat?
States and provinces affected by white-nose syndrome as of April 2018
However, once it arrives it's too late for vulnerable species.
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As far as I can tell, while it can carry the fungus, the Townsend big ear bat does not get sick with white nose syndrome.
And, I gather, this is the only bat species to inhabit these particular caves. However, I could check with one of my high school buddies to see if they know differently. I just don't know how to contact him. Perhaps another one knows. And the location Vrudy points out is at least 1000 miles from the caves here.
, and was also thinking about the choices that younger folks now face.
At some point that we may have already passed it becomes more useful to work on mediation and adaptation than it does prevention.