Oklahoma executes inmate who dies vomiting and convulsing

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Ulysses wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:08 pm
So handcuffing/shackling someone and killing them, for whatever reason, is IMHO murder. The reason, IMHO, is immaterial. It's still murder.
Handcuffing/shackling someone with intent to rob/rape (or any other reason) and murder is allowable as
long as the death is not perpetuated by a law enforcement authority? The reason is immaterial?
Someone wipes out your family and you'd be content in seeing them spend the rest of their days behind bars?
Your manner of thought makes no sense at all.

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Leo Lyons wrote:
Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:29 am
Ulysses wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:08 pm
So handcuffing/shackling someone and killing them, for whatever reason, is IMHO murder. The reason, IMHO, is immaterial. It's still murder.
Handcuffing/shackling someone with intent to rob/rape (or any other reason) and murder is allowable as
long as the death is not perpetuated by a law enforcement authority? The reason is immaterial?
Someone wipes out your family and you'd be content in seeing them spend the rest of their days behind bars?
Your manner of thought makes no sense at all.
No, it is not "allowable". It can and should be punished to the full extent of the law, which extent should extend to life in prison without possibility of parole.

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Leo Lyons wrote:
Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:29 am

Someone wipes out your family and you'd be content in seeing them spend the rest of their days behind bars?
Your manner of thought makes no sense at all.
Well, it does, actually, if you are one of the many (some of whom are here) who think the life behind bars is worse punishment than being killed. If it were my family, I'd personally want nothing short of a life run by Pinhead, to include live skinning. But it's unlikely even Texas would go along with that, and apparently nobody is going to go along with my preference for a reasonably rapid killing after conviction, and the average of 20 years before being killed isn't much different from a life sentence, so sure - I'd be happy to just put them in a cage the rest of their lives and cut out all the drama surrounding a state killing.

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Leo Lyons wrote:
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Someone wipes out your family and you'd be content in seeing them spend the rest of their days behind bars?
Your manner of thought makes no sense at all.
Of course not, I'm want them hung up by their thumbs and die a hundred horrible deaths by my hand.

And for that reason I'm not allowed to administer punishment because it would be cruel and unusual.

As it should be.
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Leo Lyons wrote:
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Another Oklahoma case:

Baker Mayfield chokes up as Oklahoma death row inmate he's defended nears controversial execution

I'm not going to study the case closely enough to form an independent opinion, but a lot of credible people are convinced of Julius Jones' innocence. There are no mulligans with the death penalty.
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Oklahoma governor commutes Julius Jones’ death sentence

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... Stitt commuted the 41-year-old Jones’ death sentence to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole. He had been scheduled for execution at 4 p.m.
IF he's innocent there's now a slim chance of someday proving it.
... “After prayerful consideration and reviewing materials presented by all sides of this case, I have determined to commute Julius Jones’ sentence to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole,” Stitt said in a news release.
Translation: If I allow a future execution to proceed it's god's fault.
... Oklahoma ended a six-year moratorium on executions — brought on by concerns over its lethal injection methods — last month. Grant, 60, convulsed and vomited as he was being put to death Oct. 28....
That fuck up was god's fault, too.
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Vrede too wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:43 pm
Oklahoma governor commutes Julius Jones’ death sentence

:clap:
... Stitt commuted the 41-year-old Jones’ death sentence to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole. He had been scheduled for execution at 4 p.m.
IF he's innocent there's now a slim chance of someday proving it.
... “After prayerful consideration and reviewing materials presented by all sides of this case, I have determined to commute Julius Jones’ sentence to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole,” Stitt said in a news release.
Translation: If I allow a future execution to proceed it's god's fault.
... Oklahoma ended a six-year moratorium on executions — brought on by concerns over its lethal injection methods — last month. Grant, 60, convulsed and vomited as he was being put to death Oct. 28....
That fuck up was god's fault, too.
Every thing is God's fault. Predestination. Puritans knew they were fucked and shifted the blame to god. They couldn't handle it.

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neoplacebo wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:36 pm
Every thing is God's fault. Predestination. Puritans knew they were fucked and shifted the blame to god. They couldn't handle it.
I think that in many ways the Puritans won. :problem: :(
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GoCubsGo wrote:
Mon Nov 08, 2021 12:42 pm
Leo Lyons wrote:
Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:29 am

Someone wipes out your family and you'd be content in seeing them spend the rest of their days behind bars?
Your manner of thought makes no sense at all.
Of course not, I'm want them hung up by their thumbs and die a hundred horrible deaths by my hand.

And for that reason I'm not allowed to administer punishment because it would be cruel and unusual.

As it should be.
I agree.

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Vrede too wrote:
Thu Nov 18, 2021 1:43 pm
Oklahoma governor commutes Julius Jones’ death sentence

:clap:

IF he's innocent there's now a slim chance of someday proving it.
Or not. TV news says that he would not be eligible for a future pardon, though I'd wonder whether a sitting Gov can limit a future Gov that way.
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O Really wrote:
Mon Nov 08, 2021 12:22 pm
Leo Lyons wrote:
Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:29 am

Someone wipes out your family and you'd be content in seeing them spend the rest of their days behind bars?
Your manner of thought makes no sense at all.
Well, it does, actually, if you are one of the many (some of whom are here) who think the life behind bars is worse punishment than being killed. If it were my family, I'd personally want nothing short of a life run by Pinhead, to include live skinning. But it's unlikely even Texas would go along with that, and apparently nobody is going to go along with my preference for a reasonably rapid killing after conviction, and the average of 20 years before being killed isn't much different from a life sentence, so sure - I'd be happy to just put them in a cage the rest of their lives and cut out all the drama surrounding a state killing.
Plus it could be argued that the eventual killing puts the state in a morally compromised position. If killing another human other than necessary for self-defence is wrong, why do we have the goverment do it?

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Ulysses wrote:
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Poor obsessed and insecure Useless, my posting to a thread magically causes him to respond to posts that he'd abandoned weeks before. Maybe he gets hard being the more recent poster.
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