Race, lets make this serious! It is nearly 2013.

[billy.pilgrim]

I'm still enjoying the spaciousness of your head.

Ignored

Since billy.pilgrim is not quoting you, you have no idea if his posts have anything to do with you unless you're opening them.

Busted, again.

And again and again.
Plus I've caught him commenting on the exact subject matter of my posts.

Can you imagine such a petulant child able to ignore something that he thinks is about him and can check out while no one is looking?

[Ulysses]

Ignored

[GoCubsGo]

[Vrede too]

Would that apply if Clarence is White on the inside?

[GoCubsGo]

Would that apply if Clarence is White on the inside?

Maybe that's what they're trying to figure out in the hospital.

[billy.pilgrim]

What happens when a country music guy gets caught saying the n word?

His sales go up 1,220%


https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/mus ... t-n1274833

[Vrede too]

What happens when a country music guy gets caught saying the n word?

His sales go up 1,220%

https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/mus ... t-n1274833

There's a reason for it:

Ted Cruz was right: Babies are super racist. A Supreme Court nominee should know that.



Racist babies love country music.

[Vrede too]

All of MLB to wear Jackie Robinson's No. 42 in Dodger Blue on April 15

Players, coaches and managers throughout Major League Baseball will continue the annual tradition of donning Jackie Robinson's iconic No. 42 on April 15, but there will be an added twist for this year's 75th anniversary: All 42s will be colored Dodger Blue, regardless of the team's primary colors.

The Los Angeles Dodgers, the organization for which Robinson carved out his entire trailblazing career, will be at home against the Cincinnati Reds on April 15, a day that will mark 75 years since Robinson broke the color barrier in his debut with the Brooklyn Dodgers. A little more than three months later, on July 19, Dodger Stadium will host the All-Star Game and the Robinson-related tributes will continue for a different reason -- his widow, Rachel, turns 100 that day.

MLB has put together a special tribute video, titled "Play, Run, Win, Rise," that was written by Eljon Wardally and narrated by Leslie Odom Jr., and it will air at every host ballpark on April 15. A special logo, featuring Robinson's digital signature, was designed. Also, honorary patches will be stitched onto sleeves and caps, in addition to the Dodger Blue 42s that will emblazon the backs of all uniformed personnel.



Robinson, whose statue resides at the main, center-field entrance to Dodger Stadium, won the National League Rookie of the Year Award in 1947, was named MVP two years later and was inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1962. The Dodgers will reveal their own plans for Jackie Robinson Day at a later date.

"Our family is thrilled to see the many wonderful tributes to Jack's historic moment 75 years ago," Rachel Robinson said in a statement. "We will continue to honor his memory and legacy through our work with the Jackie Robinson Foundation. We are proud to have Major League Baseball and so many others as supporters of the young men and women we impact each year."

[GoCubsGo]

No sport does nostalgia, history and tributes better than baseball.

[Vrede too]

Cape Cod Town Fumes Over Black Student’s Fight With Alleged Racist Bully

The school and the courts will do what they do, but I'm kinda pleased that White bigot got his ass kicked. He probably learned a life lesson, and maybe the school district will improve.

It would not have bothered me if these gay dads also did some stomping:

Amtrak Train Bigot Accuses Gay Dads of Being ‘Pedophiles’ Who Stole Their Own Children

The only person abusing kids is the bigot.

[Vrede too]

Important note: It's not just Florida.

Florida Lawmakers Advance Bill To 'Make Whites Not Feel Bad About What Happened Years Ago'

Florida Governor Ron DeSantis and state lawmakers are working to prohibit discussions around race and discrimination in public schools and private businesses that could cause “discomfort” to white people, according to Vanity Fair.

On Tuesday, Florida’s Senate Education Committee approved SB 148 that was sponsored by State Senator Manny Diaz Jr.

“An individual, by virtue of his or her race or sex, does not bear responsibility for actions committed in the past by other members of the same race or sex. An individual should not be made to feel discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress on account of his or her race,” the bill states....

MSNBC’s Ja’han Jones said the bill is about “prioritizing white hypersensitivity over truthful teachings” and notes that “lessons about America’s racist and sexist past are acceptable only if they don’t offend white people.”

“To me, these new demands for fealty to fragile whiteness sound like a re-up of the Black Codes, laws instituted during and after the Civil War to reinforce white supremacy. In some states, the codes permitted capital punishment against Black people for minor crimes like petty theft, allowed whippings for vagrancy and swearing, and banned Black land ownership. Florida’s particularly harsh codes allowed white people to beat Black workers for ‘disrespect,’ as historian Jerrell H. Shofner wrote in his 1976 essay on the state’s racist laws. Historian Joe M. Richardson wrote that white Floridians passed the codes out of fear that their racist world was crumbling around them,” Ja’han said.

“It seems DeSantis and Florida’s GOP-led legislature are operating with a similar fear. They see the facade of white supremacy—weak as it is—crumbling under the weight of high school lesson plans and workplace trainings. And bills like SB 148 are sad attempts to piece that facade back together…. That’s why—if the white parents complaining about Black authors weren’t enough—it’s clear that the Florida bill is designed to coddle white people, even though it doesn’t mention them specifically,” Ja’han added.

Florida follows six other states that have taken measures to ban critical race theory, according to the World Population Review.

Further description, DeSantis and RepuQs despise business freedom:

Here’s what Florida employers need to know if DeSantis approves new ‘anti-woke’ law

White supremacist commies, it doesn't get much worse than that.

[Ulysses]

No sport does nostalgia, history and tributes better than baseball.

That may be true.

OTOH, no sport can be quite as boring as baseball (and I love baseball).

So there is that.

But for extreme boredom, no sport quite equals golf. More boring than baseball. Imagine that.

[Vrede too]

Less than half an hour, pitiful. Once again, desperate Useless flails about for an old post that he ignored earlier to reply to just so he can post after me in a thread. Childish.

(signature: obsessed butthurt )

Awww. , Useless. So much for "Ignored". You fail again. Plus, Useless, you've been busted too many times for anyone to believe you're not reading my posts, anyhow. It's just your excuse for cowering. Awww.

[Vrede too]

Mississippi
Syn. Clueless, Cruel

‘Did You Just Forget … All Those Black People We Shipped Over?’: Mississippi Governor Confuses Many When He Declares April Both Confederate Heritage Month and Genocide Awareness Month

...



... Many have also pointed out the governor’s announcement comes in the aftermath of his signing the state’s highly contested critical race theory law on March 14, where he called CRT a curriculum of indoctrination created to “humiliate” whites.

Reeves, who said, on Fox News “there is not systemic racism in America,” said when signing the bill, “Students are being force-fed an unhealthy dose of progressive fundamentalism that runs counter to the principles of America’s founding,” implying falsely that CRT is being taught at the K-12 level....

Ironically, Tate Reeves' contradictory proclamations prove the need for CRT and honest grade school history instruction.

White folks who don’t give a hamburger about the LIVES of Black children want us to care about the FEELINGS of white children.

I would guess that virtually none of those opposed to reparations for slavery know that reparations were in fact paid to the slaveowners for the loss of their property. The former slaves got nothing.

A Reckoning With How Slavery Ended
https://newrepublic.com/article/166102/ ... ost-empire

Americans don’t know a lot of things. It’s intentional

So true!!! … and we wear our ignorance proudly

[billy.pilgrim]

Mississippi
Syn. Clueless, Cruel

‘Did You Just Forget … All Those Black People We Shipped Over?’: Mississippi Governor Confuses Many When He Declares April Both Confederate Heritage Month and Genocide Awareness Month

...



... Many have also pointed out the governor’s announcement comes in the aftermath of his signing the state’s highly contested critical race theory law on March 14, where he called CRT a curriculum of indoctrination created to “humiliate” whites.

Reeves, who said, on Fox News “there is not systemic racism in America,” said when signing the bill, “Students are being force-fed an unhealthy dose of progressive fundamentalism that runs counter to the principles of America’s founding,” implying falsely that CRT is being taught at the K-12 level....

Ironically, Tate Reeves' contradictory proclamations prove the need for CRT and honest grade school history instruction.

White folks who don’t give a hamburger about the LIVES of Black children want us to care about the FEELINGS of white children.

I would guess that virtually none of those opposed to reparations for slavery know that reparations were in fact paid to the slaveowners for the loss of their property. The former slaves got nothing.

A Reckoning With How Slavery Ended
https://newrepublic.com/article/166102/ ... ost-empire

Americans don’t know a lot of things. It’s intentional

So true!!! … and we wear our ignorance proudly

Are they or you equating slavery with genocide?

[Vrede too]

Are they or you equating slavery with genocide?

They definitely are equating it. I hadn't put a lot of thought to it, but the characterization sounds reasonable to me. I found this:

Genocides in history (before World War I): Atlantic Slave Trade

Canadian scholar Adam Jones characterized the mass death of millions of Africans during the Atlantic slave trade as a genocide due to the fact that it was "one of the worst holocausts in human history" because it resulted in 15 to 20 million deaths according to one estimate, and he contradicts arguments such as the one which states that "it was in slave owners’ interest to keep slaves alive, not exterminate them" by stating that they are "mostly sophistry" by stating: "the killing and destruction were intentional, whatever the incentives to preserve survivors of the Atlantic passage for labor exploitation. To revisit the issue of intent already touched on: If an institution is deliberately maintained and expanded by discernible agents, though all are aware of the hecatombs of casualties it is inflicting on a definable human group, then why should this not qualify as genocide?"

You disagree?

[O Really]

Are they or you equating slavery with genocide?

They definitely are equating it. I hadn't put a lot of thought to it, but the characterization sounds reasonable to me. I found this:

Genocides in history (before World War I): Atlantic Slave Trade

Canadian scholar Adam Jones characterized the mass death of millions of Africans during the Atlantic slave trade as a genocide due to the fact that it was "one of the worst holocausts in human history" because it resulted in 15 to 20 million deaths according to one estimate, and he contradicts arguments such as the one which states that "it was in slave owners’ interest to keep slaves alive, not exterminate them" by stating that they are "mostly sophistry" by stating: "the killing and destruction were intentional, whatever the incentives to preserve survivors of the Atlantic passage for labor exploitation. To revisit the issue of intent already touched on: If an institution is deliberately maintained and expanded by discernible agents, though all are aware of the hecatombs of casualties it is inflicting on a definable human group, then why should this not qualify as genocide?"

You disagree?

I do.
Oxford defines "genocide" as "the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group"

The UN defines it as " a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part."

The "one estimate" of 15 to 20 million deaths may be suspect, since many other estimates of the total number of transatlantic market slaves was about 12.5 mill, but in any case the fact that a large percentage may have died or for some reason killed in transit or after enslavement doesn't show intent to destroy. Negligence, maybe. Uncaring, for sure. Cruel, of course. But no intent to take out the whole group.

[Ulysses]

I do.
Oxford defines "genocide" as "the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group"

The UN defines it as " a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part."

The "one estimate" of 15 to 20 million deaths may be suspect, since many other estimates of the total number of transatlantic market slaves was about 12.5 mill, but in any case the fact that a large percentage may have died or for some reason killed in transit or after enslavement doesn't show intent to destroy. Negligence, maybe. Uncaring, for sure. Cruel, of course. But no intent to take out the whole group.

Ah, but the UN definition of genocide clearly states, "... in whole or in part ..." .

Seems like slavery meets that definition in part, and as such, according to the UN, slavery ≡ genocide.

[Vrede too]

Are they or you equating slavery with genocide?

They definitely are equating it. I hadn't put a lot of thought to it, but the characterization sounds reasonable to me. I found this:

Genocides in history (before World War I): Atlantic Slave Trade

You disagree?

I do.
Oxford defines "genocide" as "the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group"

The UN defines it as " a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part."

The "one estimate" of 15 to 20 million deaths may be suspect, since many other estimates of the total number of transatlantic market slaves was about 12.5 mill, but in any case the fact that a large percentage may have died or for some reason killed in transit or after enslavement doesn't show intent to destroy. Negligence, maybe. Uncaring, for sure. Cruel, of course. But no intent to take out the whole group.

Wiki also has this article:

Genocide of indigenous peoples

If you search "slavery" in it, the word appears throughout as an element of the genocides that were perpetrated. The entire existing economy and culture of West Africa was destroyed by the slave trade, and many many communities and tribes were wiped out. Does it count as "intent" when this was the predictable result? Idk, but I won't dispute the semantics when people say that it does. It's an ongoing dispute: Was slavery genocide?

[billy.pilgrim]

Are they or you equating slavery with genocide?

They definitely are equating it. I hadn't put a lot of thought to it, but the characterization sounds reasonable to me. I found this:

Genocides in history (before World War I): Atlantic Slave Trade

You disagree?

I do.
Oxford defines "genocide" as "the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group"

The UN defines it as " a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part."

The "one estimate" of 15 to 20 million deaths may be suspect, since many other estimates of the total number of transatlantic market slaves was about 12.5 mill, but in any case the fact that a large percentage may have died or for some reason killed in transit or after enslavement doesn't show intent to destroy. Negligence, maybe. Uncaring, for sure. Cruel, of course. But no intent to take out the whole group.

Wiki also has this article:

Genocide of indigenous peoples

If you search "slavery" in it, the word appears throughout as an element of the genocides that were perpetrated. The entire existing economy and culture of West Africa was destroyed by the slave trade, and many many communities and tribes were wiped out. Does it count as "intent" when this was the predictable result? Idk, but I won't dispute the semantics when people say that it does. It's an ongoing dispute: Was slavery genocide?

No, slavery was not genocide. It was awful to be sure, but calling it genocide is either just more lazy history, or some attempt to make slavery sound worse by attaching other horrendous words to it. Slavery was bad enough on its own without mixing it up with genocide.

Possibly slavery in the Caribbean could border on genocide as the slaves in this tropical environment were worked all year and had a life expectancy of under 7 years as a worker slave.
Whereas slaves in this country worked seasonal crops and were needed year after year. They lived a lifespan not that dissimilar to whites.

https://geriatrics.stanford.edu/ethnome ... evity.html

"Despite the harsh living conditions of slavery, reconstruction and twentieth century separatism, Black older adults in the United States have continued to grow stronger and live longer. Some estimates placed the average longevity of Blacks at 21.4 years of age in 1850, with the average longevity for Whites at age 25.5. The combination of lower living standards, greater exposure, heavier labor, and poorer medical care gave slaves a higher mortality rate than whites. In 1860, 3.5 percent of the slaves and 4.4 percent of the Whites were over sixty. The death rate was 1.8 percent for the slaves and 1.2 percent for Whites (Stamp, 1965, p. 77).

These conclusions should not be accepted uncritically. The findings are based upon comparisons of aggregate data collected at the national level by the U.S. Bureau of the Census, 1850. Mortality data at the state level, for example in Virginia, for the same year did not show the same results. Savitt (1978, p. 201) found evidence that “more slaves than whites died of old age” between 1853 and 1860 in four Virginia counties. This suggests that some Black older adultslived longer than older Whites, at least in those counties. It was also reported that there were more centenarians among Blacks than Whites in 1850 (Savitt)."

http://www.csun.edu/~sjs25580/history.h ... for%20them.

Caribbean sugar plantations (British, Dutch and French)

"These slaves were worked to the bone, literally. Their life expectancy was only four to seven years. Unlike other colonies that had slavery, the sugar islands had no African women because the labor was just too tough for them. In fact the labor was too tough for the males. Many were worked to death because it was cheaper to work them until they died and just go buy more instead of working them fewer hours for them to stay alive. These slaves were labored for ten or more hours a day, would have to sleep in shabby huts, were only given starchy diets, had to work in horrible conditions, and were beaten when they didn’t work hard enough or would do something wrong."