College football

[billy.pilgrim]

Wrote something

Samford was 11 and 2 last year.
We started playing them at Pat Sullivan's request when Pat, our Heisman winner, coached there.

I assume you are just fucking with me as I'm fairly comfortable saying Auburn's strength of schedule beats most, maybe all, of the teams you root for.
Our next 4 games:
Texas A&M
Georgia
lsu
Ol' Miss


https://athlonsports.com/college-footba ... kings-2023

Samford ranked 91 vs Auburn @ 35
Is a damn site closer than
bama was @#1 when they played #96 mtsu, or today when #10 bama played #116 USF

Or Cal playing #123 North Texas, or Idaho (I couldn't find)

Or Duke playing #113 Louisiana Lafayette, or #94 Northwestern, or #107 UConn

[Vrede too]

Samford was 11 and 2 last year.

FCS.

We started playing them at Pat Sullivan's request when Pat, our Heisman winner, coached there.

Some traditions suck.

I assume you are just fucking with me

Moi?????

as I'm fairly comfortable saying Auburn's strength of schedule beats most, maybe all, of the teams you root for.
Our next 4 games:
Texas A&M
Georgia
lsu
Ol' Miss

This is about my opinion that fake games suck, not overall schedule strength. Do you feel pride after stomping Samford?

https://athlonsports.com/college-footba ... kings-2023

Samford ranked 91

New ACC and FBS Stanford is 91. FCS Samford is not even on your list. Opps. UMass is 109.

vs Auburn @ 35
Is a damn site closer than
bama was @#1 when they played #96 mtsu, or today when #10 bama played #116 USF

Neither. After a discrepancy of 50 does it matter?

Or Cal 67 playing #123 North Texas,

Almost the same difference as with your imaginary #91, better than the UMass discrepancy.

or Idaho (I couldn't find) Also FCS.

Or Duke 21 playing #113 Louisiana Lafayette, or #94 Northwestern,

Almost the same difference as with your imaginary #91, almost exactly the same difference as the UMass discrepancy.

or #107 UConn

I don't recall expressing approval for Cal or Duke playing fake "games". Got a link?

[Vrede too]

New page.

Saturday, September 16, 2023
All times EDT

Go football:

3:30 PM, FS1
2-1 San Diego State vs @2-0 loyal 16 Oregon State (-24.5).
9-26, loyalty is undefeated.

GO:

12:00 PM

ABC
@Boston College > 3 Florida State (-24.5). As if.
I won't count a loss in my tally. 29-31, almost

CBSSN
@Buffalo > Liberty (-3.0). 27-55

3:00 PM, ESPN+
@3 Montana State > Stetson. No spread. 57-20

3:30 PM

CBS
South Carolina > @1 Georgia (-27.0). As if.
I won't count a loss in my tally.
GO chicks! 14-17 in the 3rd. 14-24, GA is vulnerable?

ABC
@South Florida > 10 Alabama (-33.5). As if.
I won't count a loss in my tally. 3-3 at the half!!!
3-17, AL is vulnerable?

ESPN
@20 North Carolina (-7.0) > Minnesota. 31-13, Go O Really Go!

ACCN
@2-0 21 Duke (-17.0) > 1-1 Northwestern. Sorry, GoCubsGo. 38-14

ESPN+
@Appalachian State (-7.5) > East Carolina
ECU led early, ASU came back nicely in the 3rd. 43-18 final.

4:00 PM, PAC12
@California (-14.5) > Idaho. 31-17, GoNieceGo

5:00 PM, Peacock
8 Washington (-16.5) > @Michigan State
41-7. What's become of MSU? GO Lady O GO!

6:00 PM, ESPN+
@Charlotte > Georgia State (-7.0). 25-41

7:00 PM

ESPN+, SECN+
@Auburn > Samford
Such a cupcake game that Yahoo lists no spread
Changed to Auburn (-37.5) before the game. I won't count a win in my tally. 45-13

FS1
@Florida > 11 Tennessee (-5.0) 20-16

Northern Illinois > Nebraska (-13.0)
GoCubsGo, do we like Northern Illinois? 11-35

7:30 PM, SECN
Georgia Tech > @17 Ole Miss (-17.5). 23-48

8:00 PM

LHN
@4 Texas -30.0 > Wyoming
I won't count a win in my tally. 31-10

PAC12
@13 Oregon (-38.0) > Hawai'i
I won't count a win in my tally. 55-10

ACCN
Florida Atlantic > Clemson (-24.5)
I won't count a loss in my tally. 14-48

FOX
@Houston > TCU (-7.5). 13-36

PAC12
@Stanford (-6.5) > Sacramento State. 23-30

ESPN+
@11Montana > Ferris State ( Big Rapids, Michigan). No spread.
Was 3-10 at the half, then Montana scored 14 in the 3rd. 17-10, phew.
Losers: #7, 10 (to FCS Cal). Montana may move into the Top 10, stay at #11 or even drop.

10:00 PM, ESPN
@18 Colorado (-23.5) > Colorado State
I won't count a win in my tally.
Colorado down 11 in the 4th, got a FG. Got the ball back with 2:06 left, drove 98 yards for the TD and 2 pt conversion, 28-28 with 0:36 left. OT! This is weird, CO had the ball first in OT1 and OT2 - TDs and conversions both times. Why? CSU failed in OT2 - INT on 4th down. Deion is 3-0.

11-8

ALSO:

Massachusetts 17, @Eastern Michigan 19. There goes WDE's strength of schedule.
@NC State (-42.5) 45, VMI 7
Near certain OT, @UNLV 48 yd pass and 36 yd FG 40, Vandy (-4.5) 37

[billy.pilgrim]

Samford was 11 and 2 last year.

FCS.

We started playing them at Pat Sullivan's request when Pat, our Heisman winner, coached there.

Some traditions suck.

I assume you are just fucking with me

Moi?????

as I'm fairly comfortable saying Auburn's strength of schedule beats most, maybe all, of the teams you root for.
Our next 4 games:
Texas A&M
Georgia
lsu
Ol' Miss

This is about my opinion that fake games suck, not overall schedule strength. Do you feel pride after stomping Samford?

https://athlonsports.com/college-footba ... kings-2023

Samford ranked 91

New ACC and FBS Stanford is 91. FCS Samford is not even on your list. Opps. UMass is 109.

vs Auburn @ 35
Is a damn site closer than
bama was @#1 when they played #96 mtsu, or today when #10 bama played #116 USF

Neither. After a discrepancy of 50 does it matter?

Or Cal 67 playing #123 North Texas,

Almost the same difference as with your imaginary #91, better than the UMass discrepancy.

or Idaho (I couldn't find) Also FCS.

Or Duke 21 playing #113 Louisiana Lafayette, or #94 Northwestern,

Almost the same difference as with your imaginary #91, almost exactly the same difference as the UMass discrepancy.

or #107 UConn

I don't recall expressing approval for Cal or Duke playing fake "games". Got a link?

oops Samford Stanford what's the difference, it's only a "t".
I never said that you approved of Cal or Duke playing these so-called fake games, but I will say that you don't focus on them like you do with sec schools, especially Auburn.

I can't figure why you are so against playing what are essentially warm up games. How else does an App state (or any of the other 96 times in the last 10 years that FCS has beat FBS) beat #5 Michigan. The cupcake schools want these games. They want the shot at the big schools.

https://www.si.com/longform/appstate/in ... the%20game.

Playing sports about more than just a need to compete, it's also about making memories. Sports are also about the thrill that thousands of student athletes feel when David beats Goliath.

https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/colle ... odds-bm06/

Do you really want teams playing copies of themselves with strong conferences beating themselves up and cupcake conferences with 1 or 2 good teams having the best win/loss record?

All of the rankings seem to be flipping around this year, but the various sec schedules are as tough as any, tougher than most.
So it's strange to me that you can find fault with Auburn's non-conference schedule when we typically play 3 to 5 top ten teams in conference compared to teams who play cupcake games in conference and then schedule cupcake games out of conference.

I think you're selectively finding a problem without a solution where no problem exists and no solution is needed.

Me, I like the system we have now. Of course it can be made better. The big scholarship cap in the 90s? was great for smaller schools with less to spend and created more parity within the conference, but it didn't do anything about parity between conferences. Maybe that should be next.

[billy.pilgrim]

https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/colle ... odds-bm06/

Go Underdogs - the world loves you

David and Goliath (not really, just FCS vs FBS high times)

highlights
9/11/2021 Jacksonville State Florida State 20-17
9/11/2021 Duquesne Ohio 28-26
9/4/2021 East Tennessee State Vanderbilt 23-3
9/4/2021 Montana No. 20 Washington 13-7

wow - 2021 was a good year

10/23/2020 Jacksonville State FIU 19-10
9/14/2019 The Citadel Georgia Tech 27-24, OT

Go Citadel, beat Heisman’s school - you know, that guy who forced, under threat of lawsuit, a bunch of untrained,
unprepared fraternity kids from Cumberland to play his mighty GT.

9/1/2018 Nicholls State Kansas 26-23, OT
8/30/2018 UC Davis San Jose State 44-38

11/21/2015 The Citadel South Carolina 23-22

9/19/2015 Furman UCF 16-15
9/5/2015 South Dakota State Kansas 41-38
9/5/2015 Portland State Washington State 24-17


8/30/2014 Bethune-Cookman Florida International 14-12
11/23/2013 Georgia Southern Florida 26-20
11/9/2013 Old Dominion Idaho 59-38
9/21/2013 Jacksonville State Georgia State 32-26, OT
9/14/2013 Fordham Temple 30-29
9/14/2013 Bethune-Cookman Florida International 34-13

Spoiler:

https://youtu.be/7_eBBEYBrS4?si=UwuBODyrRWiaT_b-

[Vrede too]

... Do you feel pride after stomping Samford? ...

oops Samford Stanford what's the difference, it's only a "t".
And an 'm';
And the differing numbers of letters;
And FBS vs FCS;
And Power 5 vs Southern Conf;
And the fact that you were using imaginary Samford to make some fake point about other schools, one that you don't retract. Funny that.
I never said that you approved of Cal or Duke playing these so-called fake games, but I will say that you don't focus on them like you do with sec schools, especially Auburn.
Scroll up. There's plenty of attention paid to other ridiculous margins, not to mention all of the games with wide margins or no line that I don't even bother posting about if none of us have a team in the game.

Also:
Kinda dumb to tease myself;
I don't care that much about "my" teams, all of which are mediocre at best;
You're easy to wind up over nothing. O Really gets the folly of it, so he is tease-proof:

7:30 PM, ACCN
@Miami (-53.5 )
Go Bethune-Cookman, beat the spread!

That's embarrassing....

He leaves no room for razzing when he admits the obvious, and it's not like our opinions matter. Lighten up.

I can't figure why you are so against playing what are essentially warm up games.
There's no warming up in a massacre.
How else does an App state (or any of the other 96 times in the last 10 years that FCS has beat FBS) beat #5 Michigan.
Almost all of those 96 were strong FCS teams playing mediocre or lousy FBS schools. Nothing wrong with that. Remove those from your tally and it's not so impressive.
The cupcake schools want these games. They want the shot at the big schools.
As we've posted and you haven't refuted, the cupcake schools want the big school money, nothing more. When I was serious about playing community soccer we had no interest in playing pro teams or U-14, and didn't.

No one, not even the most diehard fan, bets on a cupcake without a spread, often a ridiculous spread.

https://www.si.com/longform/appstate/index.html
15 years ago, big whoop. Having to reach so far back makes my point more than yours. I'll trade that one miracle for the thousands of jokes played in the interim.

Playing sports about more than just a need to compete, it's also about making memories.
"memories" of being humiliated or the shame of being a bully.
Auburn (-37.5) vs Samford and Auburn (-35.0) vs UMass dishonor the word 'game'.
Sports are also about the thrill that thousands of student athletes feel when David beats Goliath.

https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/colle ... odds-bm06/

So far in 2023, there have been two FCS-over-FBS upsets, with Southern Illinois (over Northern Illinois) and Idaho (over Nevada) each scoring upsets in Week 2.

Eight FBS teams have lost to FCS schools since the start of the 2022 college football season: Charlotte, Navy, Bowling Green, Buffalo, Nevada, Utah State, Northwestern and Colorado State.

Which of those is a "Goliath"? Your link supports my point more than yours, as shown by most of the games listed.
Do you really want teams playing copies of themselves with strong conferences beating themselves up
Yes.
and cupcake conferences with 1 or 2 good teams having the best win/loss record?
Huh?

All of the rankings seem to be flipping around this year, but the various sec schedules are as tough as any, tougher than most.
So it's strange to me that you can find fault with Auburn's non-conference schedule when we typically play 3 to 5 top ten teams in conference compared to teams who play cupcake games in conference and then schedule cupcake games out of conference.
Again: "This is about my opinion that fake games suck, not overall schedule strength."

I think you're selectively finding a problem without a solution where no problem exists and no solution is needed.
Do you routinely play chess with 3rd graders and call it "competition"? Does your 3-0 have any meaning? Cal was 4-8 last year, 3-8 vs FBS teams, but Auburn is already halfway to a Bowl game.

Me, I like the system we have now. Of course it can be made better. The big scholarship cap in the 90s? was great for smaller schools with less to spend and created more parity within the conference, but it didn't do anything about parity between conferences. Maybe that should be next.
FBS will all be one merged Southeastern Big 10 Conference soon enough.

[Vrede too]

Colorado tops No. 17 TCU in Deion Sanders' 1st game as coach

... (Travis) Hunter became the first FBS player to record more than 100 receiving yards and an interception (at the Buffaloes' 4-yard line) in the same game since Miami's Quadtrine Hill in 2002....

(He) logged 129 snaps against TCU. He was targeted 16 times as a receiver and finished with three tackles, a pass breakup and the interception on defense....

Colorado's Travis Hunter taken to hospital after absorbing illegal hit (with video)

... Coach Deion Sanders had no update after the game other than to say, the "first thing I heard is he's going to be out a few weeks." Hunter was taken to a hospital during the third quarter for an evaluation.

Sanders did not specify Hunter's injury.

Dirty hit, but kinda predictable. It's one thing to play 2 sports like Deion or Bo did, a whole different animal to play over 100 snaps a game while hoping to survive.

"The bad thing about losing Travis," said defensive back Shilo Sanders, "it's like you're losing two players at once." ...

Is Cinderella doomed? Next up @13 Oregon.

[billy.pilgrim]

... Do you feel pride after stomping Samford? ...

oops Samford Stanford what's the difference, it's only a "t".
And an 'm';
And the differing numbers of letters;
And FBS vs FCS;
And Power 5 vs Southern Conf;
And the fact that you were using imaginary Samford to make some fake point about other schools, one that you don't retract. Funny that.

Thus the oops


I never said that you approved of Cal or Duke playing these so-called fake games, but I will say that you don't focus on them like you do with sec schools, especially Auburn.
Scroll up. There's plenty of attention paid to other ridiculous margins, not to mention all of the games with wide margins or no line that I don't even bother posting about if none of us have a team in the game.

Also:
Kinda dumb to tease myself;
I don't care that much about "my" teams, all of which are mediocre at best;
You're easy to wind up over nothing. O Really gets the folly of it, so he is tease-proof:

7:30 PM, ACCN
@Miami (-53.5 )
Go Bethune-Cookman, beat the spread!

That's embarrassing....

He leaves no room for razzing when he admits the obvious, and it's not like our opinions matter. Lighten up.

I can't figure why you are so against playing what are essentially warm up games.
There's no warming up in a massacre.
How else does an App state (or any of the other 96 times in the last 10 years that FCS has beat FBS) beat #5 Michigan.
Almost all of those 96 were strong FCS teams playing mediocre or lousy FBS schools. Nothing wrong with that. Remove those from your tally and it's not so impressive.
The cupcake schools want these games. They want the shot at the big schools.
As we've posted and you haven't refuted, the cupcake schools want the big school money, nothing more. When I was serious about playing community soccer we had no interest in playing pro teams or U-14, and didn't.

No one, not even the most diehard fan, bets on a cupcake without a spread, often a ridiculous spread.

https://www.si.com/longform/appstate/index.html
15 years ago, big whoop. Having to reach so far back makes my point more than yours. I'll trade that one miracle for the thousands of jokes played in the interim.

Playing sports about more than just a need to compete, it's also about making memories.
"memories" of being humiliated or the shame of being a bully.
Auburn (-37.5) vs Samford and Auburn (-35.0) vs UMass dishonor the word 'game'.
Sports are also about the thrill that thousands of student athletes feel when David beats Goliath.

https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/colle ... odds-bm06/

So far in 2023, there have been two FCS-over-FBS upsets, with Southern Illinois (over Northern Illinois) and Idaho (over Nevada) each scoring upsets in Week 2.

Eight FBS teams have lost to FCS schools since the start of the 2022 college football season: Charlotte, Navy, Bowling Green, Buffalo, Nevada, Utah State, Northwestern and Colorado State.

Which of those is a "Goliath"? Your link supports my point more than yours, as shown by most of the games listed.
Do you really want teams playing copies of themselves with strong conferences beating themselves up
Yes.
and cupcake conferences with 1 or 2 good teams having the best win/loss record?
Huh?

All of the rankings seem to be flipping around this year, but the various sec schedules are as tough as any, tougher than most.
So it's strange to me that you can find fault with Auburn's non-conference schedule when we typically play 3 to 5 top ten teams in conference compared to teams who play cupcake games in conference and then schedule cupcake games out of conference.
Again: "This is about my opinion that fake games suck, not overall schedule strength."

I think you're selectively finding a problem without a solution where no problem exists and no solution is needed.
Do you routinely play chess with 3rd graders and call it "competition"? Does your 3-0 have any meaning? Cal was 4-8 last year, 3-8 vs FBS teams, but Auburn is already halfway to a Bowl game.

Me, I like the system we have now. Of course it can be made better. The big scholarship cap in the 90s? was great for smaller schools with less to spend and created more parity within the conference, but it didn't do anything about parity between conferences. Maybe that should be next.
FBS will all be one merged Southeastern Big 10 Conference soon enough.

[billy.pilgrim]

I just don’t understand. Are you requiring all teams to be in some sort of parity before they play each other? Should Georgia only play other top 10 teams? Who should Auburn play for this parity? We ranked in the 50s last year, but are playing 3 or 4 games in the top 15, or how about 2013 when we went 0 for 8 in the sec? Should Vandy be kicked out of the sec?

No, the system we have works, at least in the sec. Everyone plays 4 to 6 tough regular season games and the rest sre bssically scrimmage games against teams that voluntarily want the game. As much as anything, a FCS linebacker gets to tell his kids about the time he tackled, or at least played against, a Bo Jackson.
I just don’t get what it is that you want.

[Vrede too]

1 Georgia(57)
2 Michigan(2)
3 Texas(3) up1
4 Florida State(1) down1
5 USC
6 Ohio State
7 Penn State
8 Washington Go Lady O Go!
9 Notre Dame
10 Oregon up3. Pac-12 has 3 Top 10 teams, woohoo!

13 Alabama down3
14 Oregon State up2. Loyalty!

17 North Carolina up3 Go O Really Go!
18 Duke up3
19 Colorado down1. Coulda been worse.
20 Miami up2 Go O Really Go!
21 Washington State up2. Loyalty!
22 UCLA up2
23 Tennessee down12. Nice.
24 Iowa up1
25 Florida wasn't ranked. Not higher than Tennessee?

Others receiving votes:
(34) Maryland 4 Up from 1 vote.
(39) Auburn 1. Up from 0 votes. Cupcake-stomping progress!

No. 13 Alabama is out of the top 10 of The Associated Press college football poll for the first time in eight years ...

After scraping by South Florida on Saturday, Alabama (2-1) saw its streak of consecutive AP poll appearances ranked in the top 10 snapped at 128. That was the second-longest such streak in the history of the poll behind Miami's 137 from 1985-93.

The Crimson Tide are out of the top 10 for the first time since Sept. 27, 2015....

The ugly 17-3 win against USF marked Alabama's first game against a non-Power Five conference opponent since 2007 in which the Tide failed to score at least 20 points. In its previous 42 games against non-Power Five opponents, Alabama was unbeaten, with an average margin of victory of 40 points.

In other words Alabama has shunned actual competition since 2007.

... Pac-12: 8 (Nos. 5, 8, 10, 11, 14, 19, 21, 22).
SEC: 6 (Nos. 1, 12, 13, 15, 23, 25).
ACC: 4 (Nos. 4, 17, 18, 20).
Big Ten: 4 (Nos. 2, 6, 7, 24).
Big 12: 2 (Nos. 3, 16).
Independent: 1 (No. 9).

Next week: Ranked vs. ranked

No. 6 Ohio State at No. 9 Notre Dame: For the second straight year, it's a top-10 matchup.
No. 15 Ole Miss at No. 13 Alabama: ... Can both lose?
No. 22 UCLA at No. 11 Utah: The second meeting with both teams ranked. The first was last year. Babylon vs LDS, go Bruins!
No. 19 Colorado at No. 10 Oregon: First regular-season meeting with both teams ranked.
No. 14 Oregon State at No. 21 Washington State: The Beavers and Cougars, the Pac-12's left-behinds, have played 98 times but never before when both teams were ranked. Loyalty Bowl.
No. 24 Iowa at No. 7 Penn State. Three of the last four meetings came when both were ranked. Go Hawkeyes!

[Vrede too]

... Scroll up. There's plenty of attention paid to other ridiculous margins, not to mention all of the games with wide margins or no line that I don't even bother posting about if none of us have a team in the game.

Also:
Kinda dumb to tease myself;
I don't care that much about "my" teams, all of which are mediocre at best;
You're easy to wind up over nothing. O Really gets the folly of it, so he is tease-proof:


He leaves no room for razzing when he admits the obvious, and it's not like our opinions matter. Lighten up.

... Almost all of those 96 were strong FCS teams playing mediocre or lousy FBS schools. Nothing wrong with that. Remove those from your tally and it's not so impressive.


As we've posted and you haven't refuted, the cupcake schools want the big school money, nothing more. When I was serious about playing community soccer we had no interest in playing pro teams or U-14, and didn't.

No one, not even the most diehard fan, bets on a cupcake without a spread, often a ridiculous spread.

https://www.si.com/longform/appstate/index.html
15 years ago, big whoop. Having to reach so far back makes my point more than yours. I'll trade that one miracle for the thousands of jokes played in the interim.


"memories" of being humiliated or the shame of being a bully.
Auburn (-37.5) vs Samford and Auburn (-35.0) vs UMass dishonor the word 'game'.


https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/colle ... odds-bm06/

So far in 2023, there have been two FCS-over-FBS upsets, with Southern Illinois (over Northern Illinois) and Idaho (over Nevada) each scoring upsets in Week 2.

Eight FBS teams have lost to FCS schools since the start of the 2022 college football season: Charlotte, Navy, Bowling Green, Buffalo, Nevada, Utah State, Northwestern and Colorado State.

Which of those is a "Goliath"? Your link supports my point more than yours, as shown by most of the games listed.


Do you routinely play chess with 3rd graders and call it "competition"? Does your 3-0 have any meaning? Cal was 4-8 last year, 3-8 vs FBS teams, but Auburn is already halfway to a Bowl game.

(wrote something)

No, the system we have works, at least in the sec. Everyone plays 4 to 6 tough regular season games and the rest sre bssically scrimmage games

Not real games, glad we finally agree.

against teams that voluntarily want the game massacre $$$ (ftfy). As much as anything, a FCS linebacker gets to tell his kids about the time he tackled, or at least played against, a Bo Jackson.

As much as anything, an FCS running back gets to tell his kids about the time his football career ended in a "scrimmage" when he was violently tackled by an FBS linebacker who was faster and weighed 50 pounds more.

I just don’t get what it is that you want.

Not to see dozens of games with 30+ point spreads. Not sure how I can make it clearer.

[billy.pilgrim]

... Scroll up. There's plenty of attention paid to other ridiculous margins, not to mention all of the games with wide margins or no line that I don't even bother posting about if none of us have a team in the game.

Also:
Kinda dumb to tease myself;
I don't care that much about "my" teams, all of which are mediocre at best;
You're easy to wind up over nothing. O Really gets the folly of it, so he is tease-proof:


He leaves no room for razzing when he admits the obvious, and it's not like our opinions matter. Lighten up.

... Almost all of those 96 were strong FCS teams playing mediocre or lousy FBS schools. Nothing wrong with that. Remove those from your tally and it's not so impressive.


As we've posted and you haven't refuted, the cupcake schools want the big school money, nothing more. When I was serious about playing community soccer we had no interest in playing pro teams or U-14, and didn't.

No one, not even the most diehard fan, bets on a cupcake without a spread, often a ridiculous spread.

https://www.si.com/longform/appstate/index.html
15 years ago, big whoop. Having to reach so far back makes my point more than yours. I'll trade that one miracle for the thousands of jokes played in the interim.


"memories" of being humiliated or the shame of being a bully.
Auburn (-37.5) vs Samford and Auburn (-35.0) vs UMass dishonor the word 'game'.


https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/colle ... odds-bm06/

So far in 2023, there have been two FCS-over-FBS upsets, with Southern Illinois (over Northern Illinois) and Idaho (over Nevada) each scoring upsets in Week 2.

Eight FBS teams have lost to FCS schools since the start of the 2022 college football season: Charlotte, Navy, Bowling Green, Buffalo, Nevada, Utah State, Northwestern and Colorado State.

Which of those is a "Goliath"? Your link supports my point more than yours, as shown by most of the games listed.


Do you routinely play chess with 3rd graders and call it "competition"? Does your 3-0 have any meaning? Cal was 4-8 last year, 3-8 vs FBS teams, but Auburn is already halfway to a Bowl game.

(wrote something)

No, the system we have works, at least in the sec. Everyone plays 4 to 6 tough regular season games and the rest sre bssically scrimmage games

Not real games, glad we finally agree.

against teams that voluntarily want the game massacre $$$ (ftfy). As much as anything, a FCS linebacker gets to tell his kids about the time he tackled, or at least played against, a Bo Jackson.

As much as anything, an FCS running back gets to tell his kids about the time his football career ended in a "scrimmage" when he was violently tackled by an FBS linebacker who was faster and weighed 50 pounds more.

Both teams had similar sized players. Of course the bigger schools attract the faster and more talented.

Of course you have examples showing that this happens more than it does playing games within your division, or do you just "feel" this to be the case.

Auburn had 5 injuries against Samford. I can't find that Samford had any.

I just don’t get what it is that you want.

Not to see dozens of games with 30+ point spreads. Not sure how I can make it clearer.

30+ point spreads pretty much eliminates Vandy. Should they be kicked out of the sec.

Bama over the past 3 years scored 30+ against:
LSU
Arkansas
Auburn
Kentucky
Vandy
Miami
Southern Mississippi
Mississippi State
Missouri
Texas A&M
Tennessee

You propose close games, but you don't offer how this can be achieved. I'm interested in your fix.

[Vrede too]

Both teams had similar sized players. Of course the bigger schools attract the faster and more talented.

Of course you have examples showing that this happens more than it does playing games within your division, or do you just "feel" this to be the case.

Auburn had 5 injuries against Samford. I can't find that Samford had any.

30+ point spreads pretty much eliminates Vandy. Should they be kicked out of the sec.

Bama over the past 3 years scored 30+ against:
LSU
Arkansas
Auburn
Kentucky
Vandy
Miami
Southern Mississippi
Mississippi State
Missouri
Texas A&M
Tennessee

You propose close games, but you don't offer how this can be achieved. I'm interested in your fix.

The point is that the injuries for either team happen in what you admit is a "scrimmage", not a contest with meaning. The pointlessness of it is sad for those 5 Tigers and any injured Samford players.

... They do sell the health and soul of their players for a few shekels. I still don't like it.

I also think it sucks, O Really, including because of the inflation of the big schools' records. Profs can get disciplined for doing that.

Good idea! Maybe a UK soccer-style system where each year the top 1 or 2 teams in the lower level league trade places with the worst teams in the upper level league. Bye-bye, Vandy.

"scored 30+" tells me nothing. We're discussing winning margins.

The fix is for the schools, conferences and/or NCAA to have the integrity and sportsmanship to not allow the scheduling of non-conference known cupcake games, and for donors and other fans to demand it.

[billy.pilgrim]

You really seem back and forth on this. 1st it was bigger faster players causing injuries on smaller slower players on small teams, until I point out that Auburn player were hurt and Samford's weren't and now something about the pointlessness of Auburn players getting hurt.
Damn, it's football, people get hurt in flag football.
Scrimmage games are an important preparation for the really big games.
Are you also against teams having their own scrimmage units?
Teams often have 125 players, but will limit away game travel to around 70.
That leaves 50 something players who may never play in an actual game to scrimmage against in practice

Poor wording..those were 30+ point winning margins.

I'm sure Vandy would resent your idea, as they've been free to leave at any time, but choose not to.

There is no fix for the bigger schools. If there were, this conversation would resonate outside of this forum.
Again, it's a free market.

[O Really]

Big score spreads don't bother me per se. Every year, there are teams that are better than others, and on a given Saturday most any time can have an exceptionally good or bad day. My objection, and I think I started this mess, is when a team is scheduled that's so far out of their league so as to make any victory meaningless and any loss to be catastrophic.

[Vrede too]

Ditto, O Really.

You really seem back and forth on this. 1st it was bigger faster players causing injuries on smaller slower players on small teams, until I point out that Auburn player were hurt and Samford's weren't

You didn't point out that Samford players weren't hurt. You just said that you were unable to find their injury report. Please be honest.

and now something about the pointlessness of Auburn players getting hurt.

The "back and forth" is all in your head. My citing the example of injuries to smaller, slower players on small teams never precluded big team injuries being just as pointless. Look again.

Damn, it's football, people get hurt in flag football.
Humiliation and bullying Scrimmage games are an important preparation for the really big games. Ftfy.
Are you also against teams having their own scrimmage units?
Teams often have 125 players, but will limit away game travel to around 70.
That leaves 50 something players to scrimmage against in practice.

Full speed, full contact scrimmages are usually avoided, and scrimmages don't count toward season records that are bragged about by shameless teams and fans.

Poor wording..those were 30+ point winning margins.

If they were predictable and non-conference, shame on the schedulers.

I'm sure Vandy would resent your idea, as they've been free to leave at any time, but choose not to.

SEC $$$, just like the shameless, pointlessly player-endangering big and small schools with non-conference games.

There is no fix for the bigger schools. If there were, this conversation would resonate outside of this forum.

You're about the only person I've ever seen that likes and defends pre-planned routs.

Again, it's a free market.

Agreed, NCAA capitalism creates abominations, just like capitalism creates abominations in other realms. Thanks for supporting my point!

[billy.pilgrim]

Ditto, O Really.

You really seem back and forth on this. 1st it was bigger faster players causing injuries on smaller slower players on small teams, until I point out that Auburn player were hurt and Samford's weren't

You didn't point out that Samford players weren't hurt. You just said that you were unable to find their injury report. Please be honest.

and now something about the pointlessness of Auburn players getting hurt.

The "back and forth" is all in your head. My citing the example of injuries to smaller, slower players on small teams never precluded big team injuries being just as pointless. Look again.

Damn, it's football, people get hurt in flag football.
Humiliation and bullying Scrimmage games are an important preparation for the really big games. Ftfy.
Are you also against teams having their own scrimmage units?
Teams often have 125 players, but will limit away game travel to around 70.
That leaves 50 something players to scrimmage against in practice.

Full speed, full contact scrimmages are usually avoided, and scrimmages don't count toward season records that are bragged about by shameless teams and fans.

Poor wording..those were 30+ point winning margins.

If they were predictable and non-conference, shame on the schedulers.

I very clearly showed that all were sec.
Bama over the past 3 years scored 30+ against:
LSU
Arkansas
Auburn
Kentucky
Vandy
Miami
Southern Mississippi
Mississippi State
Missouri
Texas A&M
Tennessee

I'm sure Vandy would resent your idea, as they've been free to leave at any time, but choose not to.

SEC $$$, just like the shameless, pointlessly player-endangering big and small schools with non-conference games.

There is no fix for the bigger schools. If there were, this conversation would resonate outside of this forum.

You're about the only person I've ever seen that likes and defends pre-planned routs.

Again, it's a free market.

Agreed, NCAA capitalism creates abominations, just like capitalism creates abominations in other realms. Thanks for supporting my point!

I have not supported your point

One more time. Your idea could work if we didn't have cupcake conferences where a boise can play their cupcakes in conference and also schedule same non-conference and then jump up and down about their undefeated season.
The acc has had its share of cupcakes in the past. I remember when the sec offered Independent fsu a spot in the sec, they declined because they said it would limit their chances to be #1, and when GT dropped Auburn in something like our 90th meeting because they were losing almost every year.

[billy.pilgrim]

Big score spreads don't bother me per se. Every year, there are teams that are better than others, and on a given Saturday most any time can have an exceptionally good or bad day. My objection, and I think I started this mess, is when a team is scheduled that's so far out of their league so as to make any victory meaningless and any loss to be catastrophic.

Even when the weaker school initiated the meeting?

[Vrede too]

I very clearly showed that all were sec....

Intra-conference scheduling has its own rules and I have not once griped about it. Lame deflection.

I have not supported your point

You prefer "free market" abominations over non-conference integrity and sportsmanship.

One more time. Your idea could work if we didn't have cupcake conferences where a boise can play their cupcakes in conference and also schedule same non-conference and then jump up and down about their undefeated season.

You sure obsess. Boise had a couple of good years many years ago and now is just as likely to lose intra-conference, as it should be.

The acc has had its share of cupcakes in the past.
I remember when the sec offered Independent fsu a spot in the sec, they declined because they said it would limit their chances to be #1,

Cowards. Funny that they still haven't been #1 in like forever.

and when GT dropped Auburn in something like our 90th meeting because they were losing almost every year.

Pussies. What's your point?

[Vrede too]

Big score spreads don't bother me per se. Every year, there are teams that are better than others, and on a given Saturday most any time can have an exceptionally good or bad day. My objection, and I think I started this mess, is when a team is scheduled that's so far out of their league so as to make any victory meaningless and any loss to be catastrophic.

Even when the weaker school initiated the meeting?

He posted his opinion on that 2 days ago and I've re-posted it. Why demand a rehash?

... They do sell the health and soul of their players for a few shekels. I still don't like it.

I also think it sucks, O Really, including because of the inflation of the big schools' records. Profs can get disciplined for doing that.