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[billy.pilgrim]

I very clearly showed that all were sec....

Intra-conference scheduling has its own rules and I have not once griped about it. Lame deflection.

You gripped about 30+ point wins. Nothing said about in or out of conference

I have not supported your point

You prefer "free market" abominations over non-conference integrity and sportsmanship.
You are arguing with millions of fans.

One more time. Your idea could work if we didn't have cupcake conferences where a boise can play their cupcakes in conference and also schedule same non-conference and then jump up and down about their undefeated season.

You sure obsess. Boise had a couple of good years many years ago and now is just as likely to lose intra-conference, as it should be.
No obsession, just an example.
I'm still waiting on an example of how players are hurt playing bigger schools. These kids played against and alongside each other in high school.

The acc has had its share of cupcakes in the past.
I remember when the sec offered Independent fsu a spot in the sec, they declined because they said it would limit their chances to be #1,

Cowards. Funny that they still haven't been #1 in like forever.
I also agree and teased my semi-hole friend back then.

and when GT dropped Auburn in something like our 90th meeting because they were losing almost every year.

Pussies. What's your point?

My point is pretty simple. Creating a schedule in order to win the most games by a few points and then crowing about it is worse than playing 5 or 6 highly competitive games along with a few easy one is more competitive.

All this arguing you are doing isn't wanted by the small teams you are advocating for.

[Vrede too]

You gripped about 30+ point wins. Nothing said about in or out of conference

The discussion has been about optional non-conference scheduling from the very beginning. I didn't know that I had to repeat that FACT with each post. Sorry.

You are arguing with millions of fans.

"millions of fans" like ridiculous pre-planned routs? Do tell.

... I'm still waiting on an example of how players are hurt playing bigger schools. These kids played against and alongside each other in high school.

You think injuries don't happen when the opponent is bigger and faster? Do tell. Anyhow, my issue all along has been with injuries in the course of these pointless "scrimmages".

... My point is pretty simple. Creating a schedule in order to win the most games by a few points and then crowing about it is worse than playing 5 or 6 highly competitive games along with a few easy one is more competitive.

Huh?

All this arguing you are doing isn't wanted by the small teams you are advocating for.

We've agreed that small teams schedule pointless "scrimmages" for the money at the cost of their players "health and souls", while rejecting all notions of integrity and sportsmanship and disrespecting fans. Why belabor the point?

[O Really]

So Northwest Central Upper Peninsula College calls up the University of Michigan and says "we'd like to be your sacrificial lamb for your Homecoming Week if you'll give us more money than we'll make from all our other games combined."
Should NCUPC be allowed to make such a request? Sure
Should the Big M be allowed to accept? Sure
Should Big M accept? Absolutely not. Could they really play "Hail To The Victors" after kicking a kitten? I don't think so.
Should Big M generally try to schedule somebody they're very likely to beat for Homecoming? Sure

[billy.pilgrim]

You gripped about 30+ point wins. Nothing said about in or out of conference

The discussion has been about optional non-conference scheduling from the very beginning. I didn't know that I had to repeat that FACT with each post. Sorry.

You are arguing with millions of fans.

"millions of fans" like ridiculous pre-planned routs? Do tell.

... I'm still waiting on an example of how players are hurt playing bigger schools. These kids played against and alongside each other in high school.

You think injuries don't happen when the opponent is bigger and faster? Do tell. Anyhow, my issue all along has been with injuries in the course of these pointless "scrimmages".

Overall an fcs team probably is faster. Bigger, maybe, but within every team in both divisions there are players who are bigger and faster than other players. Are you saying that a 180 lb Safety shouldn't try to tackle a 230 running back, or that a running back should be required to match the size of the Defensive Line before running up the middle.

I think you've imagined a problem where there isn't one.
This has changed some, but academics are a big factor, as is staying close to home, for choosing a fcs school. At one point (90s I think) Grambling had more players in the NFL than any other school.

The following is the complete list of former FCS players on NFL active rosters as of Aug 30, 2022:

AFC NORTH
Cleveland Browns (1): OG Drew Forbes (Southeast Missouri State)

RESERVE/INJURED — WR Isaiah Weston (Northern Iowa)
Pittsburgh Steelers (3): LS Christian Kuntz (Duquesne), LB Derrek Tuszka (North Dakota State), S Miles Killebrew (Southern Utah)

Baltimore Ravens (1): TE Nick Boyle (Delaware)

Cincinnati Bengals (2): G Cordell Volson (North Dakota State)

AFC EAST
New England Patriots (4): WR Kendrick Bourne (Eastern Washington), RB Pierre Strong (South Dakota State), WR Kristian Wilkerson (Southeast Missouri State), OL Cole Strange (Chattanooga)

New York Jets (3): QB Joe Flacco (Delaware), LB Quincy Williams (Murray State), DL John Franklin-Myers (Stephen F. Austin)

RESERVE/Non-football injury — OL Greg Senat (Wagner)
Buffalo Bills (5): RB Taiwan Jones (Eastern Washington), CB Siran Neal (Jacksonville State), OT Spencer Brown (Northern Iowa), CB Christian Benford (Villanova), CB Taron Johnson (Weber State)

Miami Dolphins (5): RB Chase Edmonds (Fordham), TE Tanner Conner (Idaho State), DB Elijah Campbell (Northern Iowa), OT Terron Armstead (Arkansas-Pine Bluff), DB Keion Crossen (Western Carolina)

RESERVE/INJURED — FB John Lovett Princeton

NFC SOUTH
Atlanta Falcons (5): S Dean Marlowe (James Madison), LB Troy Andersen (Montana State), LB Quinton Bell (Prairie View A&M), WR KhaDarel Hodge (Prairie View A&M), CB Mike Ford (Southeast Missouri State)

Carolina Panthers (2): S Jeremy Chinn (Southern Illinois), WR Andre Roberts (The Citadel)

RESERVE/INJURED — LB Julian Stanford (Wagner)
New Orleans Saints (3): OL Lewis Kidd (Montana State), OT Trevor Penning (Northern Iowa), DE Tanoh Kpassagnon (Villanova)

RESERVE/INJURED — OL Ethan Greenidge (Villanova)
Tampa Bay Buccaneers (7): TE Cameron Brate (Harvard), DL Mike Greene (James Madison), OT Josh Wells (James Madison), OT Dylan Cook (Montana), CB Zyon McCollum (Sam Houston), CB Don Gardner (South Dakota State), TE JJ Howland (Yale)

RESERVE/INJURED — LB Cam Gill (Wagner)
RESERVE/INJURED — OG Aaron Stinnie (James Madison)

AFC SOUTH
Jacksonville Jaguars (3): RB James Robinson (Illinois State), DE De'Shaan Dixon (Norfolk State), WR Jamal Agnew (San Diego), LB Foyesade Oluokun (Yale)

Houston Texans (5): OL Tytus Howard (Alabama State), DB Tremon Smith (Central Arkansas), LB Kamu Grugier-Hill (Eastern Illinois), DB Tristin McCollum (Sam Houston), DL Derek Rivers (Youngstown State)

Tennessee Titans (4): LB Dylan Cole (Missouri State), OL Dillon Radunz (North Dakota State), RB Julius Chestnut (Sacred Heart), OL Corey Levin (Chattanooga)

Indianapolis Colts (6): DT Eric Johnson (Missouri State), LB Darius Leonard (South Carolina State), LB E.J. Speed (Tarleton State), Mo Alie-Cox* (VCU), LS Luke Rhodes (William & Mary), DB Rodney Thomas (Yale)

RESERVE/INJURED — TE Andrew Ogletree (Youngstown State)
AFC WEST
Las Vegas Raiders (2): DT Bilal Nichols (Delaware), TE Jesper Horsted (Princeton)

RESERVE/INJURED — LB Tae Davis (Chattanooga)
RESERVE/INJURED — OT Brandon Parker (North Carolina A&T)
Los Angeles Chargers (5): S Nasir Adderley (Delaware), LB Troy Reeder (Delaware), QB Easton Stick (North Dakota State), WR DeAndre Carter (Sacramento State), TE Donald Parham Jr. (Stetson University)

RESERVE/INJURED — OT Andrew Trainer (William & Mary)
Kansas City Chiefs (3): RB Jerick McKinnon (Georgia Southern), WR Justin Watson (Penn), DT Khalen Saunders (Western Illinois)

Denver Broncos (7): TE Eric Saubert (Drake), LB Aaron Patrick (Eastern Kentucky), LB Jonas Griffith (Indiana State), LB Alex Singleton (Montana State), OL Billy Turner (North Dakota State), LS Jacob Bobenmoyer (Northern Colorado), WR Montrell Washington (Samford)

PUP — OL Tom Compton (South Dakota)

NFC EAST
New York Giants (3): LB Elerson Smith (Northern Iowa), DL Nick Williams (Samford), P Jamie Gillan (Arkansas-Pine Bluff)

Philadelphia Eagles (5): LS Rick Lovato (Old Dominion) CB James Bradberry (Samford), DT Javon Hargrave (South Carolina State), TE Dallas Goedert (South Dakota State), OG Sua Opeta (Weber State)

RESERVE/INJURED — TE Jaeden Graham (Yale)
Washington Commanders (2): QB Carson Wentz (North Dakota State), Taylor Heinicke (Old Dominion)

Dallas Cowboys (4): S Markquese Bell (Florida A&M), RB Aaron Shampklin (Harvard), OT Matt Waletzko (North Dakota), WR Dennis Houston (Western Illinois)

NFC WEST
Arizona Cardinals (3): OL Joshua Miles (Morgan State), OL Rashaad Coward (Old Dominion), CB Antonio Hamilton (South Carolina State)

Los Angeles Rams (7): DB Robert Rochell (Central Arkansas), WR Cooper Kupp (Eastern Washington), LB Daniel Hardy (Montana State), WR Lance McCutcheon (Montana State), CB Decobie Durant (South Carolina State), LB Christian Rozeboom (South Dakota State), DT Jonah Williams (Weber State)

San Francisco 49ers (7): DB George Odum (Central Arkansas), QB Jimmy Garoppolo (Eastern Illinois), DE Samson Ebukam (Eastern Washington), OT Nick Zakelj (Fordham), FB Kyle Juszczyk (Harvard), QB Trey Lance (North Dakota State), TE Ross Dwelley (San Diego)

Seattle Seahawks (4): LS Tyler Ott (Harvard), DE Shelby Harris (Illinois State), K Jason Myers (Marist), S Ryan Neal (Southern Illinois)

NFC NORTH
Chicago Bears (5): LB Caleb Johnson (Houston Baptist), LB Joe Thomas (South Carolina State), OL Ja'Tyre Carter (Southern), OL Braxton Jones (Southern Utah), DB DeAndre Houston-Carson (William & Mary)

RESERVE/INJURED — OL Dakota Dozier (Furman)
Detroit Lions (3): WR Kalif Raymond (Holy Cross), CB Bobby Price (Norfolk State), LB Chris Board (North Dakota State)

Green Bay Packers (3): TE Robert Tonyan (Indiana State), WR Ishmael Hyman (James Madison), WR Christian Watson (North Dakota State)

Minnesota Vikings (1): TE Ben Ellefson (North Dakota State)

NFC SOUTH
Atlanta Falcons (5): S Dean Marlowe (James Madison), LB Troy Andersen (Montana State), LB Quinton Bell (Prairie View A&M), WR KhaDarel Hodge (Prairie View A&M), CB Mike Ford (Southeast Missouri State)

Carolina Panthers (2): S Jeremy Chinn (Southern Illinois), WR Andre Roberts (The Citadel)

RESERVE/INJURED — LB Julian Stanford (Wagner)
New Orleans Saints (3): OL Lewis Kidd (Montana State), OT Trevor Penning (Northern Iowa), DE Tanoh Kpassagnon (Villanova)

RESERVE/INJURED — OL Ethan Greenidge (Villanova)
Tampa Bay Buccaneers (7): TE Cameron Brate (Harvard), DL Mike Greene (James Madison), OT Josh Wells (James Madison), OT Dylan Cook (Montana), CB Zyon McCollum (Sam Houston), CB Don Gardner (South Dakota State), TE JJ Howland (Yale)

RESERVE/INJURED — LB Cam Gill (Wagner)
RESERVE/INJURED — OG Aaron Stinnie (James Madison)




... My point is pretty simple. Creating a schedule in order to win the most games by a few points and then crowing about it is worse than playing 5 or 6 highly competitive games along with a few easy one is more competitive.

So maybe they aren't so much smaller, slower and injury prone. Maybe it has more to do with academics, personal family reasons and of course many tried out for the bigger football schools, but was a tad too slow, couldn't stay still during the snap count or some other penalty weakness, or couldn't control his temper, or he was just barely out of the running.

Huh?

All this arguing you are doing isn't wanted by the small teams you are advocating for.

We've agreed that small teams schedule pointless "scrimmages" for the money at the cost of their players "health and souls", while rejecting all notions of integrity and sportsmanship and disrespecting fans. Why belabor the point?

Unless you are advocating a return to an 8 game season, having to play all games against major teams would definitely result in more injuries.

[Vrede too]

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[Vrede too]

As promised:

The discussion has been about optional non-conference scheduling from the very beginning. I didn't know that I had to repeat that FACT with each post. Sorry.

Just so there's no confusion.

The "back and forth" is all in your head. My citing the example of injuries to smaller, slower players on small teams never precluded big team injuries being just as pointless. Look again.

You think injuries don't happen when the opponent is bigger and faster? Do tell. Anyhow, my issue all along has been with injuries in the course of these pointless "scrimmages".

Overall an fcs team probably is faster.

FCS is faster? Do tell. Why weren't these faster players recruited into the FBS?

Bigger, maybe, but within every team in both divisions there are players who are bigger and faster than other players. Are you saying that a 180 lb Safety shouldn't try to tackle a 230 running back, or that a running back should be required to match the size of the Defensive Line before running up the middle.

What a silly extrapolation you're desperately grasping at.

... The following is the complete list of former FCS players on NFL active rosters as of Aug 30, 2022:

(billy.pilgrim wrote something)

Sigh, some concepts take forever to sink in. The point I've stated several times is that ALL injuries are unacceptable in what you've admitted are pointless "scrimmages".

Wow, you sure put a ton of effort into a pointless deflection!

We've agreed that small teams schedule pointless "scrimmages" for the money at the cost of their players "health and souls", while rejecting all notions of integrity and sportsmanship and disrespecting fans. Why belabor the point?

Unless you are advocating a return to an 8 game season, having to play all games against major teams would definitely result in more injuries.

Assertion sans evidence in defense of bullying humiliations.

[billy.pilgrim]

As promised:

The discussion has been about optional non-conference scheduling from the very beginning. I didn't know that I had to repeat that FACT with each post. Sorry.

Just so there's no confusion.

The "back and forth" is all in your head. My citing the example of injuries to smaller, slower players on small teams never precluded big team injuries being just as pointless. Look again.

You think injuries don't happen when the opponent is bigger and faster? Do tell. Anyhow, my issue all along has been with injuries in the course of these pointless "scrimmages".

Overall an fcs team probably is faster.

FCS is faster? Do tell. Why weren't these faster players recruited into the FBS?
Typo

Bigger, maybe, but within every team in both divisions there are players who are bigger and faster than other players. Are you saying that a 180 lb Safety shouldn't try to tackle a 230 running back, or that a running back should be required to match the size of the Defensive Line before running up the middle.

What a sill extrapolation you're desperately grasping at.

... The following is the complete list of former FCS players on NFL active rosters as of Aug 30, 2022:

(billy.pilgrim wrote something)

Sigh, some concepts take forever to sink in. The point I've stated several times is that ALL injuries are unacceptable in what you've admitted are pointless "scrimmages".

Wow, you sure put a ton of effort into a pointless deflection!

We've agreed that small teams schedule pointless "scrimmages" for the money at the cost of their players "health and souls", while rejecting all notions of integrity and sportsmanship and disrespecting fans. Why belabor the point?

Unless you are advocating a return to an 8 game season, having to play all games against major teams would definitely result in more injuries.

Assertion sans evidence in defense of bullying humiliations.

I have no idea where you get this as I've offered plenty of evidence that you have ignored. So far (and I'm probably with this conversation) you have only offered your opinion mixed with speculation.
We should stop now. You are welcome to have the last word.

[Vrede too]

... So far (unintelligible) you have only offered your opinion mixed with speculation....

Mirror.

As promised:

The discussion has been about optional non-conference scheduling from the very beginning. I didn't know that I had to repeat that FACT with each post. Sorry.

Just so there's no confusion.

[billy.pilgrim]

So Northwest Central Upper Peninsula College calls up the University of Michigan and says "we'd like to be your sacrificial lamb for your Homecoming Week if you'll give us more money than we'll make from all our other games combined."
Should NCUPC be allowed to make such a request? Sure
Should the Big M be allowed to accept? Sure
Should Big M accept? Absolutely not. Could they really play "Hail To The Victors" after kicking a kitten? I don't think so.
Should Big M generally try to schedule somebody they're
very likely to beat for Homecoming? Sure

I agree with much of what you said.

Absolutely they shouldn't play "Hail To The Victors" after kicking a kitten. I'm just not in agreement that all are sacrificial lambs, or there wouldn't be so many fcs players in the NFL and Grambling wouldn't have once held the record for producing the most NFL players.
There's a big difference in academic requirements.
Most players came from the immediate area of the school, many due to personal reasons.

North Dakota State is 9-3 against FBS opponents and has won six in a row since 2010 with wins at Kansas (6-3), Minnesota (37-24), Colorado State (22-7), Kansas State (24-21), Iowa State (34-14) and 11th-ranked Iowa (23-21).Sep 12, 2022

[billy.pilgrim]

... So far (unintelligible) you have only offered your opinion mixed with speculation....

Mirror.

As promised:

The discussion has been about optional non-conference scheduling from the very beginning. I didn't know that I had to repeat that FACT with each post. Sorry.

Just so there's no confusion.

No one asked you to. I would like to see some response to the number of fcs in the NFL and the academic requirements that cause some players to not qualify for a fbs school.

There are cupcakes in both divisions. I'm all in for any fbs team that plays 6 to eight games against similar quality teams. I doubt Auburn could have won against the better fcs teams in 2012 when chizik created one of the slowest weakest teams of any fbs school.
I understand that he's at UNC now. He can be a very good DC, but he's really an idiot head coach.
He made strength training voluntary. His Wildcat play was exactly the same in every game. Game 1 it made 10 yards, by game 4 it never went past the line of scrimmage and by game 10 it was losing 4 or 5 yards every time.
We went 3 & 9.

[Vrede too]

... North Dakota State is 9-3 against FBS opponents and has won six in a row since 2010 with wins at Kansas (6-3), Minnesota (37-24), Colorado State (22-7), Kansas State (24-21), Iowa State (34-14) and 11th-ranked Iowa (23-21).Sep 12, 2022

You prove my point again, thanks!

... You're easy to wind up over nothing. O Really gets the folly of it, so he is tease-proof:

He leaves no room for razzing when he admits the obvious, and it's not like our opinions matter. Lighten up.

... Almost all of those 96 were strong FCS teams playing mediocre or lousy FBS schools. Nothing wrong with that. Remove those from your tally and it's not so impressive.

Challenge ducked.

As we've posted and you haven't refuted, the cupcake schools want the big school money, nothing more. When I was serious about playing community soccer we had no interest in playing pro teams or U-14, and didn't.

Still no refutation.

No one, not even the most diehard fan, bets on a cupcake without a spread, often a ridiculous spread.

https://www.si.com/longform/appstate/index.html
15 years ago, big whoop. Having to reach so far back makes my point more than yours. I'll trade that one miracle for the thousands of jokes played in the interim.

"memories" of being humiliated or the shame of being a bully.
Auburn (-37.5) vs Samford and Auburn (-35.0) vs UMass dishonor the word 'game'.

https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/colle ... odds-bm06/

So far in 2023, there have been two FCS-over-FBS upsets, with Southern Illinois (over Northern Illinois) and Idaho (over Nevada) each scoring upsets in Week 2.

Eight FBS teams have lost to FCS schools since the start of the 2022 college football season: Charlotte, Navy, Bowling Green, Buffalo, Nevada, Utah State, Northwestern and Colorado State.

Which of those is a "Goliath"? Your link supports my point more than yours, as shown by most of the games listed.

Question and point ducked.

Do you routinely play chess with 3rd graders and call it "competition"? Does your 3-0 have any meaning? Cal was 4-8 last year, 3-8 vs FBS teams, but Auburn is already halfway to a Bowl game.

Questions and point ducked.

You've made my point yet again.

North Dakota State Bison football

All-time record 764–375–34 (.666)
Bowl record 5–1 (.833)
Playoff appearances 30
Playoff record Div. I FCS: 44–3, Div. II: 30–12
Claimed national titles 17
(College Div.): 1965, 1968, 1969
(Div. II): 1983, 1985, 1986, 1988, 1990
(Div. I FCS): 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2021
Unclaimed national titles 4
Conference titles 37
(10 MVFC, 1 GWFC, 26 NCC)

Not just a good FCS team, THE undisputed premier FCS team since 2011.

In contrast, the FBS teams you list are all mediocre or lousy, exactly as I said. Even Iowa in 2022. Crowing about anyone's "Sep 12" ranking in goofy. You dishonestly neglect to mention that it finished the season (#34) with only 4 votes - worse than Troy, South Carolina, Fresno State, Duke, Boise State, North Carolina, NC State and others.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/r ... asontype/2

It's foolish to deceptively cherry-pick about the FCS when I only had the FCS to follow and root for within 500 miles for 30 years.

[billy.pilgrim]

,Vrede said
"Sigh, some concepts take forever to sink in. The point I've stated several times is that ALL injuries are unacceptable in what you've admitted are pointless "scrimmages"."

Where did I say these games are pointless scrimmages?
If I did, I didn't mean to.

Are you also against the legitimate NFL teams having scrimmage teams for practice, with player and coach knowing they will be dropped to trim the roster before the season starts?


Vrede said
"Wow, you sure put a ton of effort into a pointless deflection!"
1) I'm not sure who you are anymore. That seems rude to the conversation.
2) interesting that the facts I researched are dismissed without discussion.
3)

[Vrede too]

... So far (unintelligible) you have only offered your opinion mixed with speculation.
... You are welcome to have the last word.

Mirror.

As promised:

The discussion has been about optional non-conference scheduling from the very beginning. I didn't know that I had to repeat that FACT with each post. Sorry.

Just so there's no confusion.

You are so easy to wind up, as I've said. You offered the last word, which I posted - "Mirror" - yet here you are again.

No one asked you to.

Umm, you kept posting about intra-conference inequality as a lame deflection from the optional non-conference scheduling that the discussion was ALWAYS about. You never "asked", but I did promise your ongoing reorientation.

I would like to see some response to the number of fcs in the NFL and the academic requirements that cause some players to not qualify for a fbs school.

Another ongoing lame deflection. The few true upsets that you linked vs the scores of routs every season make the point. As you said, "scrimmages", not real games.

(billy.pilgrim wrote something that may or may not be valid, but is irrelevant to this chat)

[Vrede too]

This is your new tactic after your North Dakota State flop???

Sigh, some concepts take forever to sink in. The point I've stated several times is that ALL injuries are unacceptable in what you've admitted are pointless "scrimmages".

Where did I say these games are pointless scrimmages?
If I did, I didn't mean to.

... No, the system we have works, at least in the sec. Everyone plays 4 to 6 tough regular season games and the rest sre bssically scrimmage games against teams that voluntarily want the game....

... Scrimmage games are an important preparation for the really big games....

We've been down this road before. Once you start "forgetting" your own words AND don't bother to check my assertion by searching the word in your own posts, it's time for me to hang it up. I'm done with this tangent even if you again use a supposed reply to O Really to passive-aggressively get a dig in on me.

Are you also against the legitimate NFL teams having scrimmage teams for practice, with player and coach knowing they will be dropped to trim the roster before the season starts?

Irrelevancy already addressed:

Full speed, full contact scrimmages are usually avoided, and scrimmages don't count toward season records that are bragged about by shameless teams and fans.

Wow, you sure put a ton of effort into a pointless deflection!

1) I'm not sure who you are anymore. That seems rude to the conversation.

Mirror, initial snark 2 days ago:

Wrote something

2) interesting that the facts I researched are dismissed without discussion.

True, when they're utter irrelevancies like the endless:

The following is the complete list of former FCS players on NFL active rosters as of Aug 30, 2022:

Again:

... The few true upsets that you linked vs the scores of routs every season make the point. As you said, "scrimmages", not real games.

Cherry-picking a few FCS kids that succeed in the NFL doesn't change that, hence my "dismissed without discussion."

Ta-ta.

[billy.pilgrim]

... North Dakota State is 9-3 against FBS opponents and has won six in a row since 2010 with wins at Kansas (6-3), Minnesota (37-24), Colorado State (22-7), Kansas State (24-21), Iowa State (34-14) and 11th-ranked Iowa (23-21).Sep 12, 2022

You prove my point again, thanks!

Absolutely I did not

... You're easy to wind up over nothing. O Really gets the folly of it, so he is tease-proof:

What point of yours did I prove?

He leaves no room for razzing when he admits the obvious, and it's not like our opinions matter. Lighten up.

... Almost all of those 96 were strong FCS teams playing mediocre or lousy FBS schools. Nothing wrong with that. Remove those from your tally and it's not so impressive.

Challenge ducked.

What challenge, when?

As we've posted and you haven't refuted, the cupcake schools want the big school money, nothing more. When I was serious about playing community soccer we had no interest in playing pro teams or U-14, and didn't.

I already said that it's more than money

Still no refutation.

No one, not even the most diehard fan, bets on a cupcake without a spread, often a ridiculous spread.

https://www.si.com/longform/appstate/index.html
15 years ago, big whoop. Having to reach so far back makes my point more than yours. I'll trade that one miracle for the thousands of jokes played in the interim.

I'm missing something here. What did I say about 15 years ago?

"memories" of being humiliated or the shame of being a bully.
Auburn (-37.5) vs Samford and Auburn (-35.0) vs UMass dishonor the word 'game'.

I already explained why we play Samford. They made it to the quarter finals last year, while Auburn didn't even make it to a bowl game, but I do appreciate you seeing us as a powerhouse

https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/colle ... odds-bm06/

So far in 2023, there have been two FCS-over-FBS upsets, with Southern Illinois (over Northern Illinois) and Idaho (over Nevada) each scoring upsets in Week 2.

Eight FBS teams have lost to FCS schools since the start of the 2022 college football season: Charlotte, Navy, Bowling Green, Buffalo, Nevada, Utah State, Northwestern and Colorado State.

Which of those is a "Goliath"? Your link supports my point more than yours, as shown by most of the games listed.

Question and point ducked.
Sad that you don't understand playing someone much better with little chance of winning. My right knee kept me out of most sports. Is pool a sport. It was for me. I was real good. Ken and Danny were great. I learned from them even though I usually lost.

Do you routinely play chess with 3rd graders and call it "competition"? Does your 3-0 have any meaning? Cal was 4-8 last year, 3-8 vs FBS teams, but Auburn is already halfway to a Bowl game.

Apples to oranges. Why not compare both teams from 2022?

Yeah, so easy to make numbers say things that don't necessarily mean much. As far as being half way to a bowl game, at this way too early in the season to say anything meaningful - Cal is only 1 game behind Auburn. We both are about to enter the tough part of our seasons.

Cal was 4-8 and Auburn was 5-7. Not any significant difference. Neither qualified for a bowl. Neither had an impressive win.
Auburn played 2022 #7 Samford
Cal played # 22
Not much difference there unless you compare the 2022 Cal team to the 2023 Auburn "so far" team in order to make an imaginary point. If we don't win Saturday against Texas a&m, we are probably looking at 4 straight losses.
We could have 6 or 7 losses. It looks like cal could also.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_NC ... all_season

I seriously don't think you give anything I've posted a fair chance


Questions and point ducked.

You've made my point yet again.

North Dakota State Bison football

All-time record 764–375–34 (.666)
Bowl record 5–1 (.833)
Playoff appearances 30
Playoff record Div. I FCS: 44–3, Div. II: 30–12
Claimed national titles 17
(College Div.): 1965, 1968, 1969
(Div. II): 1983, 1985, 1986, 1988, 1990
(Div. I FCS): 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2021
Unclaimed national titles 4
Conference titles 37
(10 MVFC, 1 GWFC, 26 NCC)

Not just a good FCS team, THE undisputed premier FCS team since 2011.

Or was it you that made my point.

In contrast, the FBS teams you list are all mediocre or lousy, exactly as I said. Even Iowa in 2022. Crowing about anyone's "Sep 12" ranking in goofy. You dishonestly neglect to mention that it finished the season (#34) with only 4 votes - worse than Troy, South Carolina, Fresno State, Duke, Boise State, North Carolina, NC State and others.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/r ... asontype/2

Sorry vrede, but I don't do dishonest. What did I say about anyone'ssept 12. 2022 ranking? Pointit out so i can retract or explain.

It's foolish to deceptively cherry-pick about the FCS when I only had the FCS to follow and root for within 500 miles for 30 years.

Where in the world did you live that there weren't any Division 1 teams?

[billy.pilgrim]

... So far (unintelligible) you have only offered your opinion mixed with speculation.
... You are welcome to have the last word.

Mirror.

As promised:

The discussion has been about optional non-conference scheduling from the very beginning. I didn't know that I had to repeat that FACT with each post. Sorry.

Just so there's no confusion.

You are so easy to wind up, as I've said. You offered the last word, which I posted - "Mirror" - yet here you are again.

No one asked you to.

Umm, you kept posting about intra-conference inequality as a lame deflection from the optional non-conference scheduling that the discussion was ALWAYS about. You never "asked", but I did promise your ongoing reorientation.

I get it now. Facts are lame, but opinions are Truth

I would like to see some response to the number of fcs in the NFL and the academic requirements that cause some players to not qualify for a fbs school.

Another ongoing lame deflection. The few true upsets that you linked vs the scores of routs every season make the point. As you said, "scrimmages", not real games.

(billy.pilgrim wrote something that may or may not be valid, but is irrelevant to this chat)

[billy.pilgrim]

This is your new tactic after your North Dakota State flop???

What North Dakota flop?

Sigh, some concepts take forever to sink in. The point I've stated several times is that ALL injuries are unacceptable in what you've admitted are pointless "scrimmages".

Where did I say these games are pointless scrimmages?
If I did, I didn't mean to.

oops, looks like I never said that scrimmages are pointless. That was you.

... No, the system we have works, at least in the sec. Everyone plays 4 to 6 tough regular season games and the rest sre bssically scrimmage games against teams that voluntarily want the game....

... Scrimmage games are an important preparation for the really big games....

We've been down this road before. Once you start "forgetting" your own words AND don't bother to check my assertion by searching the word in your own posts, it's time for me to hang it up. I'm done with this tangent even if you again use a supposed reply to O Really to passive-aggressively get a dig in on me.

Are you also against the legitimate NFL teams having scrimmage teams for practice, with player and coach knowing they will be dropped to trim the roster before the season starts?

Irrelevancy already addressed:
No it wasn't

Full speed, full contact scrimmages are usually avoided, and scrimmages don't count toward season records that are bragged about by shameless teams and fans.

Wow, you sure put a ton of effort into a pointless deflection!

1) I'm not sure who you are anymore. That seems rude to the conversation.

Mirror, initial snark 2 days ago:

Wrote something

2) interesting that the facts I researched are dismissed without discussion.

True, when they're utter irrelevancies like the endless:

The following is the complete list of former FCS players on NFL active rosters as of Aug 30, 2022:

Again:

... The few true upsets that you linked vs the scores of routs every season make the point. As you said, "scrimmages", not real games.

Cherry-picking a few FCS kids that succeed in the NFL doesn't change that, hence my "dismissed without discussion."

Few?

Ta-ta.

[Vrede too]

Absolutely I did not

As I posted, I'm done debating now that you "forgot" posting "scrimmage". Regardless, I would have shunned replying after you made such a hash of the color formatting and didn't have the initiative to fix it. I'll bet even you would be challenged to sort out who posted what.

I will address a couple of factual matters, though.

What challenge, when?

Revise your list of "96" games to remove the "strong FCS teams playing mediocre or lousy FBS schools".

I already said that it's more than money

True, it's a "scrimmage", at least for the bullying FBS schools. My bad.

https://www.si.com/longform/appstate/index.html

I'm missing something here. What did I say about 15 years ago?

Opps, 16 years ago, the Mich-App St game that YOU linked, obviously.

I already explained why we play Samford. They made it to the quarter finals last year, while Auburn didn't even make it to a bowl game, but I do appreciate you seeing us as a powerhouse

Auburn (-37.5)

Apples to oranges. Why not compare both teams from 2022?

Cal is a cupcake school EVERY year. Is Auburn?

Sorry vrede, but I don't do dishonest. What did I say about anyone'ssept 12. 2022 ranking? Pointit out so i can retract or explain.

... North Dakota State is 9-3 against FBS opponents and has won six in a row since 2010 with wins at Kansas (6-3), Minnesota (37-24), Colorado State (22-7), Kansas State (24-21), Iowa State (34-14) and 11th-ranked Iowa (23-21).Sep 12, 2022

You must have "forgotten" again, even when it's your own orange highlighting and you and I both re-posted it. Iowa was ranked (#34) with just 4 votes by the end of the season, NOT "11th".

Where in the world did you live that there weren't any Division 1 teams?

Umm, all of the FCS IS Division 1. It used to be called 1-AA. I've posted often about living in Missoula, MT. Go U of MT Griz! My bad, though, the perpetually forgettable Washington State University is just 250 miles away. Sorry. No one rooted for it except maybe Pullman transplants.

After WSU there's UW, 475 miles.
Bluefield, a mountainous 365 miles, didn't go FBS until 2001. No one rooted for it.
Salt Lake City - 525 miles. Logan, Utah - 470 miles. No one rooted for the Utes or Aggies.
To the southeast - Laramie, Wyoming, 770 miles. No one rooted for the Cowboys.
To the east there are no FBS schools until Minneapolis, 1200 miles.
Go Griz!

Aside:
Locally favorite NFL teams are the Seahawks, 500 miles, and Broncos, 1000 miles.
The CFL's Calgary Stampeders are 420 miles away. CFL teams only get rooted for when Griz end up there. Former Griz QB David Dickenson won the 2006 Grey Cup with the BC Lions and was named the game's MVP. He now coaches the Stampeders. He also led the 1995 Montana Grizzlies I-AA national champion football team. Good times.

[Vrede too]

As I posted, I'm done debating now that you "forgot" posting "scrimmage". I will address a couple of factual matters, though.

What North Dakota flop?

You shunned mentioning that North Dakota State has been the DOMINANT FCS team for a dozen years while the FBS teams it beat are mediocre or lousy, exactly as I had posted earlier. You claimed highlighted importance for Iowa's "Sept. 12" ranking. You thought you'd get away with this cherry-picking when debating a 48-year FCS fan. Opps, flop.

oops, looks like I never said that scrimmages are pointless. That was you.

I only put "scrimmages" in quotes and your admission that they're not games is what makes them pointless. Thank you.

No it wasn't

Right here:

Full speed, full contact scrimmages are usually avoided, and scrimmages don't count toward season records that are bragged about by shameless teams and fans.

Few?

Not counting the huge number of "RESERVE/INJURED" you listed, the most on any NFL team are 7 and there aren't many stars.

During the regular season, each team is allowed a maximum of 55 players on its roster; only 48 of these may be active (eligible to play) on game days.

I'll stick with "few". Thanks for asking. Didn't matter, it's the pointless games that are the issue, not whether there are some good FCS players. That was just a straw man deflection.

[Vrede too]

Colorado tops No. 17 TCU in Deion Sanders' 1st game as coach

... (Travis) Hunter became the first FBS player to record more than 100 receiving yards and an interception (at the Buffaloes' 4-yard line) in the same game since Miami's Quadtrine Hill in 2002....

(He) logged 129 snaps against TCU. He was targeted 16 times as a receiver and finished with three tackles, a pass breakup and the interception on defense....

Colorado's Travis Hunter taken to hospital after absorbing illegal hit (with video)

... Coach Deion Sanders had no update after the game other than to say, the "first thing I heard is he's going to be out a few weeks." Hunter was taken to a hospital during the third quarter for an evaluation.

Sanders did not specify Hunter's injury.

Dirty hit, but kinda predictable. It's one thing to play 2 sports like Deion or Bo did, a whole different animal to play over 100 snaps a game while hoping to survive.

"The bad thing about losing Travis," said defensive back Shilo Sanders, "it's like you're losing two players at once." ...

Is Cinderella doomed? Next up @13 Oregon.

Colorado State player, family receive death threats after hit

It was a nasty hit, but there are so many death threats these days. I wonder if it's all immature Americans, or whether there aren't legions of foreign trolls waiting to pounce on every "outrage", minor and major, just to degrade our society.

... "It's just sad," Colorado State coach Jay Norvell said Monday of the threats at his weekly news conference. "It's sad that that's the state of the world we live in. It's a football game. Let's not make it more than that....

Yup.

I like Deion and Colorado, but this is nuts:

Bettors still backing Colorado after Buffaloes fail to cover vs. CSU

Colorado remains the hottest bet on the board at sportsbooks despite handing the betting public a hefty loss this past weekend.

Colorado rallied to defeat Colorado State 43-35 in double overtime Saturday but didn't cover the 23-point spread, much to dismay of the approximately 90% of the betting public that backed the Buffaloes. BetMGM reported Saturday morning that there were twice as many bets on Colorado to cover as on any other college football team.

Joey Feazel, lead college football trader for Caesars Sportsbook, said Colorado failing to cover produced the house's biggest win in a game this season, nudging out Duke's upset of Clemson on Labor Day.

Asked if Saturday's big win made up for the big losses Caesars suffered on Colorado's first two games of the season, Feazel replied: "Almost."

A month into the college football season, coach Deion Sanders' Buffaloes, roughly a 100-1 long shot, have attracted more than twice as many futures bets to win the national championship as any other team. Buffaloes quarterback Shedeur Sanders has attracted more than half of the money wagered at DraftKings to win the Heisman Trophy.

This week in its Pac-12 opener at Oregon, Colorado is a big underdog. As of Monday, more bets had been placed and more money wagered on Colorado-Oregon than on any other game at DraftKings, including Ohio State-Notre Dame. The Buffaloes opened as 21-point underdogs.

Go football.

The Colorado State-Colorado game also attracted significant in-game betting -- the bulk of it on the Buffaloes, who trailed throughout most of the contest. SimpleBet, a company that provides live odds to sportsbooks, said the game accounted for 27% of all college football bets that its clients accepted Saturday.