Donny, are you ok?
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"Should be..." sure, if we had a Supreme Court that valued precedent. An almost identical case in 1980 (Stone vs. Graham) shot down Kentucky's attempt to require the 10 commandments in classrooms with clear and unambiguous language. Scarily, though, that decision was only 5-4 and the current bunch seems to have no compunction in making it up as they go along, so who knows.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Stone-v-Graham
https://www.britannica.com/event/Stone-v-Graham
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The lessons of Roy Moore are also lost on the state of Louisiana.O Really wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 10:33 am"Should be..." sure, if we had a Supreme Court that valued precedent. An almost identical case in 1980 (Stone vs. Graham) shot down Kentucky's attempt to require the 10 commandments in classrooms with clear and unambiguous language. Scarily, though, that decision was only 5-4 and the current bunch seems to have no compunction in making it up as they go along, so who knows.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Stone-v-Graham
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It seems to have become a universal right-wing strategy to do/pass something, knowing it's illegal, knowing it's likely to get overturned, knowing some judge will issue an injunction even before it goes into effect, and just don't care. They figure they'll get enough publicity, throw enough red meat to get value out of it anyway. Helluva way to run a country when those who are "leaders" have no respect for the fundamentals of law.
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O Really wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2024 11:11 amIt seems to have become a universal right-wing strategy to do/pass something, knowing it's illegal, knowing it's likely to get overturned, knowing some judge will issue an injunction even before it goes into effect, and just don't care. They figure they'll get enough publicity, throw enough red meat to get value out of it anyway. Helluva way to run a country when those who are "leaders" have no respect for the fundamentals of law.

And as long as they think they're getting something out of it and no real repurcussions, why quit?
The party of small unobtrusive government marches on.
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The party of "fiscal responsibility" marches on, too

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There really ought to be some way to exact penalties on government officials that pass stuff that is clearly unlawful. It's one thing to try to push the limit on an ambiguous or or conflicting interpretation law, but IMNVHO quite another to just ignore clear and settled law. I used to run into that a lot on labor issues, where an employer thought they could establish whatever policy they wanted and that if it were "policy" it didn't matter what the law was. When they got caught, consequences varied somewhat according to how the policy was developed:
(1) Did you seek legal advice before implementing this policy? If "yes", then penalty is lower.
(2) Did your lawyer approve this policy? If "yes", penalty may be waived, even if the lawyer was wrong
(3) If you did not seek advice, penalty is higher
(4) if your lawyer told you not to do it and you did it anyway, penalty is very painful
Gotta be some way to penalize government officials who ignore the law.
(1) Did you seek legal advice before implementing this policy? If "yes", then penalty is lower.
(2) Did your lawyer approve this policy? If "yes", penalty may be waived, even if the lawyer was wrong
(3) If you did not seek advice, penalty is higher
(4) if your lawyer told you not to do it and you did it anyway, penalty is very painful
Gotta be some way to penalize government officials who ignore the law.
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Re: Donny, are you ok?
Even presidents.

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This one's good.
Plus, he's been reduced to appearing on the Sean Spicer show?
Plus, he's been reduced to appearing on the Sean Spicer show?

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Re: Donny, are you ok?
He likes that "never seen anything like it" line. Along with "disgrace".
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Every day I marvel at how this is a nominee for president of the United States.
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GoCubsGo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2024 2:50 pmEvery day I marvel at how this is a nominee for president of the United States.
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1804577421548761215

The list is HUGE, too many to excerptFact check: Trump says George Washington ‘probably didn’t’ own slaves. Washington did
Former President Donald Trump delivered another litany of false claims during two speeches on Saturday....

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neoplacebo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 5:08 pmEvery time I see him on video and he starts his accordion hands shit, I start laughing.

OppsTrump’s ‘bloodshed and crime’ remarks in Philly were detached from reality
The former president continued his tired routine of portraying cities with large Black populations as crime-ridden during a campaign stop in Philadelphia. But the facts aren’t in his favor.
... That fictitious, John Singleton-esque portrayal of crime-ridden communities has basically been Trump’s campaign pitch to (and about) major cities, particularly those with large Black populations. As he has done with similar attacks on Atlanta and Detroit, he often portrays such communities as lawless hellscapes in desperate need of his authoritarian ire, harsher policing and, as he has promised in a second White House term, less police accountability....
But evidence suggests otherwise.
Violent crime has decreased nationwide since Trump’s presidency, and Philadelphia’s drop — particularly, with regard to gun violence — has been among the steepest. In fact, the city’s district attorney is predicting that the city’s decrease in violent crime this year could set a national record....
So, no — Philadelphia is not “ravaged.” In reality, the city is in better shape than Trump left it as president.

Nonetheless, such attacks serve two goals for Trump and his campaign. They falsely portray liberals — specifically, President Biden — as weak on crime. But perhaps more ominously, they set the stage for Trump, if he’s elected, to follow through on his plan to use the National Guard to impose military-style crackdowns — ostensibly meant to root out crime — in America’s inner cities.


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He's having a pre debate nerve nutty meltdown.
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I didn't see the trump LAW (Lie And Whine) speech, but I'd bet anything he did the accordian hands thing while lying and whining. It's what he does.Vrede too wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 10:50 amneoplacebo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 5:08 pmEvery time I see him on video and he starts his accordion hands shit, I start laughing.
OppsTrump’s ‘bloodshed and crime’ remarks in Philly were detached from reality
The former president continued his tired routine of portraying cities with large Black populations as crime-ridden during a campaign stop in Philadelphia. But the facts aren’t in his favor.
... That fictitious, John Singleton-esque portrayal of crime-ridden communities has basically been Trump’s campaign pitch to (and about) major cities, particularly those with large Black populations. As he has done with similar attacks on Atlanta and Detroit, he often portrays such communities as lawless hellscapes in desperate need of his authoritarian ire, harsher policing and, as he has promised in a second White House term, less police accountability....
But evidence suggests otherwise.
Violent crime has decreased nationwide since Trump’s presidency, and Philadelphia’s drop — particularly, with regard to gun violence — has been among the steepest. In fact, the city’s district attorney is predicting that the city’s decrease in violent crime this year could set a national record....
So, no — Philadelphia is not “ravaged.” In reality, the city is in better shape than Trump left it as president.
Nonetheless, such attacks serve two goals for Trump and his campaign. They falsely portray liberals — specifically, President Biden — as weak on crime. But perhaps more ominously, they set the stage for Trump, if he’s elected, to follow through on his plan to use the National Guard to impose military-style crackdowns — ostensibly meant to root out crime — in America’s inner cities.![]()
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neoplacebo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 7:58 pmI didn't see the trump LAW (Lie And Whine) speech, but I'd bet anything he did the accordion hands thing while lying and whining. It's what he does.


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No real need to....they're all pretty much the same. Occasional reference to Hannibal Lecter is the only real variable in any of them.Vrede too wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 9:48 pmneoplacebo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 7:58 pmI didn't see the trump LAW (Lie And Whine) speech, but I'd bet anything he did the accordion hands thing while lying and whining. It's what he does.![]()
I didn't have the patience to watch the 2 videos or to search for video of the Philly speech.
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It's a chronic condition.GoCubsGo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2024 12:24 pmHe's having a pre debate nerve nutty meltdown.
https://x.com/AntiToxicPeople/status/18 ... 3608348114
Trump Throws Middle-Of-The-Night Fit After Nancy Pelosi Called Him Out On Live TV
Donald Trump posted a wild late night rant aimed at Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) after the former House speaker slammed his debate performance as a “manifesto of lies” during an MSNBC interview earlier in the day.
“As you may recall, I tore up his speech at a State of the Union because it was a total manifesto of lies,” she said on Sunday. “And that’s what we saw the other night, which must be rejected as well as his candidacy.”
She pointed to Trump’s false claim that he wanted to send troops to the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, but Pelosi, House speaker at the time, blocked him.
She said people were hurt and killed at the Capitol due to Trump’s inactions ― just as people were hurt and killed due to his mismanagement of the COVID-19 pandemic.
“This is a dangerous person and evil,” she told MSNBC’s Jen Psaki.
That apparently triggered Trump, who fired back on his Truth Social website at about 12:30 a.m. on Monday:

GoNancyGo!... “How can you have a legitimate debate when somebody is totally lying? You have to completely dispel their falsehoods,” she said.
But she wondered why all the attention was on Biden while Trump’s glaring issues were ignored.
“This guy’s old. He doesn’t have a stream of thought that is logical,” she said. “And nobody says anything about that, that he can be so disassociated from the facts.”...
I'm not sure what the current whine is about, but here's the last time Dolt .45 mentioned a Pelosi daughter:
Trump’s Strange Nancy Pelosi Claim Draws Instant Fact Check From Her Daughter
Christine Pelosi said the bizarre moment is part of the presumptive GOP candidate's "deceitful, deranged obsession with our mother."

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GoCubsGo wrote: ↑Tue Jul 02, 2024 11:38 amHow can anyone think this clown is NOT ok?
Former President Donald Trump amplified posts on social media calling for a televised military tribunal for former Republican Rep. Liz Cheney and the jailing of top elected officials, including President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris.
“ELIZABETH LYNNE CHENEY IS GUILTY OF TREASON,” one post created by another user that Trump amplified on his social media website Truth Social on Sunday reads. “RETRUTH IF YOU WANT TELEVISED MILITARY TRIBUNALS.”

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