This is as much of a reach as mtgreene's impeachment motions against Biden, but I'm still glad and hoping she follows through. Hope she at least gets some dem sponsors and endorsements.
GoCubsGo wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 8:31 amThis is as much of a reach as mtgreene's impeachment motions against Biden, but I'm still glad and hoping she follows through. Hope she at least gets some dem sponsors and endorsements.
GoCubsGo wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 8:31 amThis is as much of a reach as mtgreene's impeachment motions against Biden, but I'm still glad and hoping she follows through. Hope she at least gets some dem sponsors and endorsements.
Vrede too wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 8:37 amShe can make credible cases for impeaching Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito. Floor votes might be useful in purple districts.
Wonder if she can force a floor vote like boebert did on impeachment.
I think the only reason this is such a brouhaha is that it involves Trump, a known habitual and intentional lawbreaker. Sure there will be a lot of court rulings, but bottom line is that violation of a law isn't part of anybody's official duties. Lots of technicalities, but I don't find it an unreasonable decision for any normal sane responsible President - which of course doesn't include Trump.
GoCubsGo wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 12:27 pmSo is the Watergate break in and coverup legal now?
Saw online: Nixon called and would like his tapes back.
Can co-conspirators still be prosecuted? For example, if TRE45QN can't be held accountable for the fake electors scam, what about the fake electors and the lawyers that organized them? Is there blanket immunity if POTUS was engaged in an "official act"?
Rational answer: No, because the fact that Trump can't be prosecuted doesn't make it lawful. Further, while many if not most of those involved in fake electors thought they were following Trump, none of them had any legitimate obligation to act unlawfully just because they thought Trump said so.
Real Life answer: who knows? The country as we used to know it is doomed anyway.
This is an interesting take, the Supremes in addition to upending presidential immunity granted themselves additional power as final arbiters of what is a presidential crimes as well.
Quite the power grab and upends checks and balances.
Joe should go shoot 6 justices and call it an "official act".
GoCubsGo wrote: Wed Jul 03, 2024 12:34 amThis is an interesting take, the Supremes in addition to upending presidential immunity granted themselves additional power as final arbiters of what is a presidential crimes as well.
Quite the power grab and upends checks and balances.
... Legal analyst Joyce White Vance noted that a president with such broad immunity could order the assassination of Supreme Court justices, and retired military leader Mark Hertling wrote that he was “trying to figure out how a commander can refuse an illegal order from someone who is issuing it as an official act.”...
Over opposition from two conservative justices, the Supreme Court on Tuesday turned away a challenge that could’ve gutted the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA).
An Ohio-based construction contractor backed by Republican-led states and anti-regulatory interests contended Congress unconstitutionally delegated its legislative powers to the executive branch when it gave such broad authority to the agency, which sets and enforces workplace standards.
In a brief order, the court declined to take up the contractor’s appeal after a lower court rejected the challenge.
:happy-cheerleaderkid:
Conservative Justices Clarence Thomas and Neil Gorsuch publicly indicated they would’ve taken up the case, but at least four votes were needed....
Over opposition from two conservative justices, the Supreme Court on Tuesday turned away a challenge that could’ve gutted the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA).
An Ohio-based construction contractor backed by Republican-led states and anti-regulatory interests contended Congress unconstitutionally delegated its legislative powers to the executive branch when it gave such broad authority to the agency, which sets and enforces workplace standards.
In a brief order, the court declined to take up the contractor’s appeal after a lower court rejected the challenge.
:happy-cheerleaderkid:
Conservative Justices Clarence Thomas and Neil Gorsuch publicly indicated they would’ve taken up the case, but at least four votes were needed....
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What a bizarre bunch, how do they reconcile OSHA versus last week's Chevron ruling? :headscratch:
