Immigration

[O Really]

Just curious, Supes, is there any other law that you would expect such rigid black/white enforcement? Examples would be nice.
F'rinstance, we'd probably all agree that murderers should be punished, maybe up to killing them. But there are degrees of murder, and not all instances of killing someone are even murder at all. And if they're caught, they're entitled to a trial, and the government has to prove its case beyond reasonable doubt, and if the government is caught acting illegally, the murderer may likely walk - or at least be entitled to another trial. "Extenuating circumstances" and "mitigation factors" apply to pretty much every law I can think of, and due process is required without exception. Well, there is one exception for actual proven terrorists, but I think that's it.

But for immigration law, which is complicated by anybody's standard, the most minor violation makes them ILLEGAL and subject to all sorts of ILLEGAL practices that wouldn't even be tolerated for real murderers or crowd shooters.

Do you really want everything to be rigidly applied with no application of judgement or context, or is it just for immigrants such as those who probably live within 5 miles or less from you and pick your apples?

[Vrede too]

Here's another legal perspective on the topic of courthouse raids:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/fed ... 19128.html

"This circumstance presents noncitizens in removal proceedings with a Hobson’s choice between two irreparable harms," Judge P. Casey Pitts wrote in his Christmas Eve decision.

"First, they may appear in immigration court and face likely arrest and detention," the judge wrote. "Alternatively, noncitizens may choose not to appear and instead to forego their opportunity to pursue their claims for asylum or other relief from removal."

Federal judge blocks ICE from arresting immigrants who show up for court appointments in Northern California


George Galvis, left, leads a chant inside the Home Depot during the "ICE out of Home Depot" protest in Oakland on Dec. 20

Dementia Don, Blondage, Friendly Fire Barbie, and InHoman are ILLEGAL, again. ICE was supposed to be chasing down dangerous criminal immigrants. It's disgusting that the lazy mf jackboots are picking off asylum seekers who are trying to obey the law, instead. Racist MAGA cheers them on. Sick.

[supesalemgr2]

Just curious, Supes, is there any other law that you would expect such rigid black/white enforcement? Examples would be nice.
F'rinstance, we'd probably all agree that murderers should be punished, maybe up to killing them. But there are degrees of murder, and not all instances of killing someone are even murder at all. And if they're caught, they're entitled to a trial, and the government has to prove its case beyond reasonable doubt, and if the government is caught acting illegally, the murderer may likely walk - or at least be entitled to another trial. "Extenuating circumstances" and "mitigation factors" apply to pretty much every law I can think of, and due process is required without exception. Well, there is one exception for actual proven terrorists, but I think that's it.

But for immigration law, which is complicated by anybody's standard, the most minor violation makes them ILLEGAL and subject to all sorts of ILLEGAL practices that wouldn't even be tolerated for real murderers or crowd shooters.

Do you really want everything to be rigidly applied with no application of judgement or context, or is it just for immigrants such as those who probably live within 5 miles or less from you and pick your apples?

I was just commenting on astuteness of the judges comments.

As for the reality of the situation. We have a significant number of migrants here in Henderson County. I accept quite a few are not here legally. Most are here to assimilate and enjoy the fruits of the USA. They do not bother me as long as they do not break the law. It is their choice to chance that and probably motivates them to act within the law.

[neoplacebo]

Just curious, Supes, is there any other law that you would expect such rigid black/white enforcement? Examples would be nice.
F'rinstance, we'd probably all agree that murderers should be punished, maybe up to killing them. But there are degrees of murder, and not all instances of killing someone are even murder at all. And if they're caught, they're entitled to a trial, and the government has to prove its case beyond reasonable doubt, and if the government is caught acting illegally, the murderer may likely walk - or at least be entitled to another trial. "Extenuating circumstances" and "mitigation factors" apply to pretty much every law I can think of, and due process is required without exception. Well, there is one exception for actual proven terrorists, but I think that's it.

But for immigration law, which is complicated by anybody's standard, the most minor violation makes them ILLEGAL and subject to all sorts of ILLEGAL practices that wouldn't even be tolerated for real murderers or crowd shooters.

Do you really want everything to be rigidly applied with no application of judgement or context, or is it just for immigrants such as those who probably live within 5 miles or less from you and pick your apples?

I was just commenting on astuteness of the judges comments.

As for the reality of the situation. We have a significant number of migrants here in Henderson County. I accept quite a few are not here legally. Most are here to assimilate and enjoy the fruits of the USA. They do not bother me as long as they do not break the law. It is their choice to chance that and probably motivates them to act within the law.

See if you can do that "they don't bother me as long as they do not break the law" thing with regard to trump and his higher ranking cult members like Homan and Gnome.

[supesalemgr2]

Outrageous political utterance of the day:

It is reported Mayor Karen Bass has said it is sad that about 50% of Border Patrol applicants are Hispanic. How dare legal Hispanic residents desire to protect our borders and enforce border laws.

[Vrede too]

See if you can do that "they don't bother me as long as they do not break the law" thing with regard to trump and his higher ranking cult members like Homan and Gnome.

Good point. If immigration-related violence comes to WNC it will be at the hands of Dementia Don's admin*.

[neoplacebo]

See if you can do that "they don't bother me as long as they do not break the law" thing with regard to trump and his higher ranking cult members like Homan and Gnome.

Good point. If immigration-related violence comes to WNC it will be at the hands of Dementia Don's admin*.

Well, it would seem that he cannot apply that same principle on a consistent basis. Could this be an example of a point going over his head? Or is it another example of how morals and ethics can only be referenced in one direction?

And his notation of a Democrat making a disparaging comment about Hispanics must somehow absolve trump of ALL of his previous disgusting remarks about Mexicans, Muslims, and any other non white non rabid Christian right wing extremist. Overall, quite illuminating in spite of the darkness and silence.

[supesalemgr2]

See if you can do that "they don't bother me as long as they do not break the law" thing with regard to trump and his higher ranking cult members like Homan and Gnome.

Good point. If immigration-related violence comes to WNC it will be at the hands of Dementia Don's admin*.

Well, it would seem that he cannot apply that same principle on a consistent basis. Could this be an example of a point going over his head? Or is it another example of how morals and ethics can only be referenced in one direction?

And his notation of a Democrat making a disparaging comment about Hispanics must somehow absolve trump of ALL of his previous disgusting remarks about Mexicans, Muslims, and any other non white non rabid Christian right wing extremist. Overall, quite illuminating in spite of the darkness and silence.

Care to share those disparaging comments you reference?

[Vrede too]

See if you can do that "they don't bother me as long as they do not break the law" thing with regard to trump and his higher ranking cult members like Homan and Gnome.

Good point. If immigration-related violence comes to WNC it will be at the hands of Dementia Don's admin*.

Well, it would seem that he cannot apply that same principle on a consistent basis. Could this be an example of a point going over his head? Or is it another example of how morals and ethics can only be referenced in one direction?

And his notation of a Democrat making a disparaging comment about Hispanics must somehow absolve trump of ALL of his previous disgusting remarks about Mexicans, Muslims, and any other non white non rabid Christian right wing extremist. Overall, quite illuminating in spite of the darkness and silence.

I am quite comfortable in detesting racist Dems as much as I do racist RepuQs. There are just more of the latter.

[O Really]

Care to share those disparaging comments you reference?

“Migrant criminals.” “Illegal monster.” “Killers.” “Gang members.” “Poisoning our country.” “Taking your jobs.” “The largest invasion in the history of our country.”

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2024 ... immigrants

But why bother, I'm sure you can excuse all 12,000 of them.

[supesalemgr2]

Care to share those disparaging comments you reference?

“Migrant criminals.” “Illegal monster.” “Killers.” “Gang members.” “Poisoning our country.” “Taking your jobs.” “The largest invasion in the history of our country.”

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2024 ... immigrants

But why bother, I'm sure you can excuse all 12,000 of them.

Don't you think for those terms to be relevant they should be posted in context? Even as posted most folks would be against many who fell into those categories.

[Vrede too]

“Migrant criminals.” “Illegal monster.” “Killers.” “Gang members.” “Poisoning our country.” “Taking your jobs.” “The largest invasion in the history of our country.”

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2024 ... immigrants

But why bother, I'm sure you can excuse all 12,000 of them.

I'll bet that took you seconds to find, not that searching is really necessary with racist DonOLD. SoupySales sure is oblivious and lazy.

[O Really]

“Migrant criminals.” “Illegal monster.” “Killers.” “Gang members.” “Poisoning our country.” “Taking your jobs.” “The largest invasion in the history of our country.”

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2024 ... immigrants

But why bother, I'm sure you can excuse all 12,000 of them.

I'll bet that took you seconds to find, not that searching is really necessary with racist DonOLD. SoupySales sure is oblivious and lazy.

Yes, and of course Supes took the terms as objective descriptions, not the clear insults they were.

[GoCubsGo]

I'll bet that took you seconds to find, not that searching is really necessary with racist DonOLD. SoupySales sure is oblivious and lazy.

Add in misogynistic and racist and you have the formula of how DonOld got elected.

[Vrede too]

I'll bet that took you seconds to find, not that searching is really necessary with racist DonOLD. SoupySales sure is oblivious and lazy.

Add in misogynistic and racist and you have the formula of how DonOld got elected.

I posted and you quoted "racist" . I didn't include misogyny and his other bigotries since the topic is Immigration.

[Vrede too]

“Migrant criminals.” “Illegal monster.” “Killers.” “Gang members.” “Poisoning our country.” “Taking your jobs.” “The largest invasion in the history of our country.”

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2024 ... immigrants

But why bother, I'm sure you can excuse all 12,000 of them.

I'll bet that took you seconds to find, not that searching is really necessary with racist DonOLD. SoupySales sure is oblivious and lazy.

Yes, and of course Supes took the terms as objective descriptions, not the clear insults they were.

Bigots always believe that they're merely realists.

[GoCubsGo]

I'll bet that took you seconds to find, not that searching is really necessary with racist DonOLD. SoupySales sure is oblivious and lazy.

Add in misogynistic and racist and you have the formula of how DonOld got elected.

I posted and you quoted "racist" . I didn't include misogyny and his other bigotries since the topic is Immigration.

Worth repeating though.

[neoplacebo]

See if you can do that "they don't bother me as long as they do not break the law" thing with regard to trump and his higher ranking cult members like Homan and Gnome.

Good point. If immigration-related violence comes to WNC it will be at the hands of Dementia Don's admin*.

Well, it would seem that he cannot apply that same principle on a consistent basis. Could this be an example of a point going over his head? Or is it another example of how morals and ethics can only be referenced in one direction?

And his notation of a Democrat making a disparaging comment about Hispanics must somehow absolve trump of ALL of his previous disgusting remarks about Mexicans, Muslims, and any other non white non rabid Christian right wing extremist. Overall, quite illuminating in spite of the darkness and silence.

Care to share those disparaging comments you reference?

Sure. I'll just refer you to your post earlier about mayor Bass making a disparaging comment about Hispanics.....which YOU brought up, not me. Hell, I don't even know is she actually said those words; I'm just relying on you. And if you're asking me to share the disparaging comments your cult leader has been spewing for years, you're not paying attention. I do not find that surprising.

[supesalemgr2]

See if you can do that "they don't bother me as long as they do not break the law" thing with regard to trump and his higher ranking cult members like Homan and Gnome.

Good point. If immigration-related violence comes to WNC it will be at the hands of Dementia Don's admin*.

Well, it would seem that he cannot apply that same principle on a consistent basis. Could this be an example of a point going over his head? Or is it another example of how morals and ethics can only be referenced in one direction?

And his notation of a Democrat making a disparaging comment about Hispanics must somehow absolve trump of ALL of his previous disgusting remarks about Mexicans, Muslims, and any other non white non rabid Christian right wing extremist. Overall, quite illuminating in spite of the darkness and silence.

Care to share those disparaging comments you reference?

Sure. I'll just refer you to your post earlier about mayor Bass making a disparaging comment about Hispanics.....which YOU brought up, not me. Hell, I don't even know is she actually said those words; I'm just relying on you. And if you're asking me to share the disparaging comments your cult leader has been spewing for years, you're not paying attention. I do not find that surprising.

If you consider my standing up for the Hispanic community as disparaging I can't help you.

[neoplacebo]

Good point. If immigration-related violence comes to WNC it will be at the hands of Dementia Don's admin*.

Well, it would seem that he cannot apply that same principle on a consistent basis. Could this be an example of a point going over his head? Or is it another example of how morals and ethics can only be referenced in one direction?

And his notation of a Democrat making a disparaging comment about Hispanics must somehow absolve trump of ALL of his previous disgusting remarks about Mexicans, Muslims, and any other non white non rabid Christian right wing extremist. Overall, quite illuminating in spite of the darkness and silence.

Care to share those disparaging comments you reference?

Sure. I'll just refer you to your post earlier about mayor Bass making a disparaging comment about Hispanics.....which YOU brought up, not me. Hell, I don't even know is she actually said those words; I'm just relying on you. And if you're asking me to share the disparaging comments your cult leader has been spewing for years, you're not paying attention. I do not find that surprising.

If you consider my standing up for the Hispanic community as disparaging I can't help you.

Well, I guess you'll just have to write my comment off as yet another point allegedly going over my head. I had no idea you were "standing up for the Hispanic community" by noting that a Democratic mayor said something unflattering to Hispanics.....but it does make me suspicious of your stated motive of "standing up for the Hispanic community" in light of your complete silence when trump and other right wing nuts whine about how bad all these immigrants are and how they're all criminals or mental asylum escapees.....trump has been doing this for almost ten years now. Funny how I never noticed you standing up for them. Even when they're picked up off the street and flown to a foreign country without due process or even without being charged with a crime. I guess you were "standing up" along with all those other invisible guys.