Iran War

[O Really]

Not to cliche too much, but "1984" just keeps on being us. We're always at war. The enemy is "Eastasia" the enemy has always been Eastasia. The enemy is "Eurasia". Eastasia has always been our ally ...

[neoplacebo]

Boat go boom!

https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2031852446583255283

Wow, amazing video. That will bump insurance rates . . . if any insurers are still in the game.

I thought Iraq is Shia controlled, though.

Iraq is primarily sunni. That has always been the major issue between Iraq and Iran.

The Sunni were and are a minority in Iraq. They were only running things when Saddam was in charge. The US overthrew the Sunni leadership and even declared the Baath Party effectively illegal. The Shia won the initial election in Iraq. Iran has been Shia for a long time. That's why the Iraq war made no sense unless Dick Cheney was actually an Iranian mole.

"That's why the Iraq war made no sense"

The one constant about Islamists is they make no sense.

Basically, the Iraq war only served to unite the Shiites in Iraq and Iran against the Sunnis. So we spent trillions and sacrificed thousands of lives to serve as as intermediary in the alliance of Iraq and Iran. The entire tihng was ignorantly pursued....no regard to regional or cultural tradition....the whole thing based on a lie (weapons of mass destruction....nuclear weapons in Iraq) just like this current one is based on the same identical lie....nuclear weapons in Iran are an imminent threat. I though insurance people considered the worst case situation in any given circumstance. Oh, I forgot to remind you that our ouster of the Sunnis in Iraq, and our total fawning over the even more radical Wahabbi Sunnis in Saudi Arabia only served to unite the people we ousted in Iraa with our own "allies" of the same religious stripe. They probably still can't believe it and have all bought an extra AK-47.

Tell me what about the war between Christians in Northern Ireland made sense. If you're asserting that religion is not a sensible reason to engage in violence, I'd agree with you. But I don't think that's what you're saying at all. Tell that to the different sets of Jews in Israel....they themselves are having problems with their Orthodox being exempt from military service. Using religion as a cloak for violence and conquest and cloaking it in the guise of patriotism or some other such nonsense has been going on forever. Religion is the worst thing that has ever happened to mankind.

[neoplacebo]

The Sunni were and are a minority in Iraq. They were only running things when Saddam was in charge. The US overthrew the Sunni leadership and even declared the Baath Party effectively illegal. The Shia won the initial election in Iraq. Iran has been Shia for a long time. That's why the Iraq war made no sense unless Dick Cheney was actually an Iranian mole.

Exactly, thanks. More recently, when Sunni ISIS briefly took over Iraq, the US devoted air power against them. However, it was the Iranians and Shia militia who did the messy and dangerous urban fighting to oust them.

After 23 years of fighting there, these are the basics that every American should understand by now.

I gave him another shot of wassssup but I suspect it won't take. He's too far into his religious bigotry/hypocrisy.

[supesalemgr2]

Wow, amazing video. That will bump insurance rates . . . if any insurers are still in the game.

I thought Iraq is Shia controlled, though.

Iraq is primarily sunni. That has always been the major issue between Iraq and Iran.

The Sunni were and are a minority in Iraq. They were only running things when Saddam was in charge. The US overthrew the Sunni leadership and even declared the Baath Party effectively illegal. The Shia won the initial election in Iraq. Iran has been Shia for a long time. That's why the Iraq war made no sense unless Dick Cheney was actually an Iranian mole.

"That's why the Iraq war made no sense"

The one constant about Islamists is they make no sense.

Basically, the Iraq war only served to unite the Shiites in Iraq and Iran against the Sunnis. So we spent trillions and sacrificed thousands of lives to serve as as intermediary in the alliance of Iraq and Iran. The entire tihng was ignorantly pursued....no regard to regional or cultural tradition....the whole thing based on a lie (weapons of mass destruction....nuclear weapons in Iraq) just like this current one is based on the same identical lie....nuclear weapons in Iran are an imminent threat. I though insurance people considered the worst case situation in any given circumstance. Oh, I forgot to remind you that our ouster of the Sunnis in Iraq, and our total fawning over the even more radical Wahabbi Sunnis in Saudi Arabia only served to unite the people we ousted in Iraa with our own "allies" of the same religious stripe. They probably still can't believe it and have all bought an extra AK-47.

Tell me what about the war between Christians in Northern Ireland made sense. If you're asserting that religion is not a sensible reason to engage in violence, I'd agree with you. But I don't think that's what you're saying at all. Tell that to the different sets of Jews in Israel....they themselves are having problems with their Orthodox being exempt from military service. Using religion as a cloak for violence and conquest and cloaking it in the guise of patriotism or some other such nonsense has been going on forever. Religion is the worst thing that has ever happened to mankind.

I also have never understood the situation in Noethern Ireland.

[neoplacebo]

Iraq is primarily sunni. That has always been the major issue between Iraq and Iran.

The Sunni were and are a minority in Iraq. They were only running things when Saddam was in charge. The US overthrew the Sunni leadership and even declared the Baath Party effectively illegal. The Shia won the initial election in Iraq. Iran has been Shia for a long time. That's why the Iraq war made no sense unless Dick Cheney was actually an Iranian mole.

"That's why the Iraq war made no sense"

The one constant about Islamists is they make no sense.

Basically, the Iraq war only served to unite the Shiites in Iraq and Iran against the Sunnis. So we spent trillions and sacrificed thousands of lives to serve as as intermediary in the alliance of Iraq and Iran. The entire tihng was ignorantly pursued....no regard to regional or cultural tradition....the whole thing based on a lie (weapons of mass destruction....nuclear weapons in Iraq) just like this current one is based on the same identical lie....nuclear weapons in Iran are an imminent threat. I though insurance people considered the worst case situation in any given circumstance. Oh, I forgot to remind you that our ouster of the Sunnis in Iraq, and our total fawning over the even more radical Wahabbi Sunnis in Saudi Arabia only served to unite the people we ousted in Iraa with our own "allies" of the same religious stripe. They probably still can't believe it and have all bought an extra AK-47.

Tell me what about the war between Christians in Northern Ireland made sense. If you're asserting that religion is not a sensible reason to engage in violence, I'd agree with you. But I don't think that's what you're saying at all. Tell that to the different sets of Jews in Israel....they themselves are having problems with their Orthodox being exempt from military service. Using religion as a cloak for violence and conquest and cloaking it in the guise of patriotism or some other such nonsense has been going on forever. Religion is the worst thing that has ever happened to mankind.

I also have never understood the situation in Noethern Ireland.

But I'm pretty sure you don't consider Catholics or Protestants to share the "constant....is they make no sense." Why would you think Muslims of different sects universally make no sense? How about Hindus? Buddhists? Does only one religion "make sense" to you? Does this serve at all to illuminate my statement that religion is the worst human influence I can think of. See what it's done to you?

[supesalemgr2]

The Sunni were and are a minority in Iraq. They were only running things when Saddam was in charge. The US overthrew the Sunni leadership and even declared the Baath Party effectively illegal. The Shia won the initial election in Iraq. Iran has been Shia for a long time. That's why the Iraq war made no sense unless Dick Cheney was actually an Iranian mole.

"That's why the Iraq war made no sense"

The one constant about Islamists is they make no sense.

Basically, the Iraq war only served to unite the Shiites in Iraq and Iran against the Sunnis. So we spent trillions and sacrificed thousands of lives to serve as as intermediary in the alliance of Iraq and Iran. The entire tihng was ignorantly pursued....no regard to regional or cultural tradition....the whole thing based on a lie (weapons of mass destruction....nuclear weapons in Iraq) just like this current one is based on the same identical lie....nuclear weapons in Iran are an imminent threat. I though insurance people considered the worst case situation in any given circumstance. Oh, I forgot to remind you that our ouster of the Sunnis in Iraq, and our total fawning over the even more radical Wahabbi Sunnis in Saudi Arabia only served to unite the people we ousted in Iraa with our own "allies" of the same religious stripe. They probably still can't believe it and have all bought an extra AK-47.

Tell me what about the war between Christians in Northern Ireland made sense. If you're asserting that religion is not a sensible reason to engage in violence, I'd agree with you. But I don't think that's what you're saying at all. Tell that to the different sets of Jews in Israel....they themselves are having problems with their Orthodox being exempt from military service. Using religion as a cloak for violence and conquest and cloaking it in the guise of patriotism or some other such nonsense has been going on forever. Religion is the worst thing that has ever happened to mankind.

I also have never understood the situation in Noethern Ireland.

But I'm pretty sure you don't consider Catholics or Protestants to share the "constant....is they make no sense." Why would you think Muslims of different sects universally make no sense? How about Hindus? Buddhists? Does only one religion "make sense" to you? Does this serve at all to illuminate my statement that religion is the worst human influence I can think of. See what it's done to you?

Minor differences between two sects of any religion does not make sense. I understand some folks cannot deal with small differences. Protestant found a pretty good solution with all the different denominations. During my life I have been a member of three different denominations. I was baptized a Baptist, found the Methodist church (my preference), and a short time as Episcopalian which did not fit my values.

[Vrede too]

The Sunni were and are a minority in Iraq. They were only running things when Saddam was in charge. The US overthrew the Sunni leadership and even declared the Baath Party effectively illegal. The Shia won the initial election in Iraq. Iran has been Shia for a long time. That's why the Iraq war made no sense unless Dick Cheney was actually an Iranian mole.

Exactly, thanks. More recently, when Sunni ISIS briefly took over Iraq, the US devoted air power against them. However, it was the Iranians and Shia militia who did the messy and dangerous urban fighting to oust them.

After 23 years of fighting there, these are the basics that every American should understand by now.

I gave him another shot of wassssup but I suspect it won't take. He's too far into his religious bigotry/hypocrisy.

In this case I think it was easier on SoupySales' ego to declare himself senselessly bigoted against 2 billion Muslims than to just admit how badly he screwed up the "wassssup", the critically important Shia-Sunni dynamic in this war we've been bleeding for over 23 years.

Iranian drone boats blow up oil tankers

... The vessels were reportedly hit by Iranian remote-controlled boats laden with explosives while in Iraqi waters, with footage showing one of the tankers ablaze.

Iraqi authorities said oil ports had “completely stopped” operations following the attack, hours after Donald Trump insisted the United States had already won the war.

So much winning . . .

The attacks overnight sent oil prices climbing on Thursday, with crude hitting more than $100 (£80) a barrel, despite record releases of strategic crude reserves to dampen one of the worst oil shocks since the 1970s....

Average US gas prices have topped $3.50 per gallon. 14 days ago they were under $3.00.


The aftermath of the attack on the oil tankers in the Gulf near Iraq - AP


The Marshallese-flagged Safesea Vishnu was hit in Iraq’s territorial waters - Mohammed Aty/Reuters

Looks like the fire is out, still may sink IMO.

...The explosions came after three cargo vessels were hit by “unknown projectiles” in the blockaded Strait of Hormuz, the world’s most important oil artery, on Wednesday.

On Thursday morning, another container ship in the Strait was hit near the United Arab Emirates, the UK maritime agency said.

... At least 16 tankers and other vessels have come under attack in the Gulf during the war, while hundreds more have dropped anchor due to Tehran’s threat to attack nearby shipping.

That many attacked, I didn't know.

On Thursday, Chris Wright, the energy secretary, said the US military was “not ready” to escort tankers through the critical Strait of Hormuz, because all of its assets were focussed on striking Iran....

So, DonOLD lied, again.

[GoCubsGo]

Trump may be unable to end the war he started with Iran, even if he wanted to

Trump is now caught in the oldest trap of modern warfare – believing a swift, surgical military operation will yield quick, enduring political results. The Soviets did it in Afghanistan; the US in Iraq in 2003; Putin did it in Ukraine, and is still fighting.




If only someone could have told him.

[Vrede too]

Trump may be unable to end the war he started with Iran, even if he wanted to

Trump is now caught in the oldest trap of modern warfare – believing a swift, surgical military operation will yield quick, enduring political results. The Soviets did it in Afghanistan; the US in Iraq in 2003; Putin did it in Ukraine, and is still fighting.



If only someone could have told him.

The US also did it in Afghanistan, with 2 subsequent administrations including TRE45QN's declaring "surges" that were going to be magically successful. We were there 21 years before our humiliating withdrawal.


Riiight, this will fix Iran.

Preparing for regime collapse, Reza Pahlavi urges Iranians to prepare for his ‘final call’
Pahlavi, working alongside allied experts, has also developed a detailed “Emergency Phase” plan for governing Iran in the immediate aftermath of the Islamic Republic’s fall.

"allied experts" - Did we learn nothing 46 years ago?

... “Dear compatriots, we are now at the decisive stage of our final struggle,” he said, warning Iranians to prepare provisions and essentials “as soon as possible” and remain inside their homes for their safety.

He added that the people should “continue to strike and do not show up for work” and “continue on your nightly chants to show your unity.”

Pahlavi further issued a warning to members of Iran’s military and law enforcement still aligned with the regime, saying that this is their last chance “to break from the oppressive forces and join your people.” ...

Good luck with that.


Students supporting Reza Pahlavi chanted slogans in his favor across several universities. Furthermore, for the first time, they also chanted against the leftists, who are considered the primary rivals of the monarchists.

Great, replace one con regime with another. That will turn out well.

[GoCubsGo]

Things are going well.

Troop deployments?

DonOld meltdown?

[GoCubsGo]

BTW,

Does anyone find it odd that the only clear beneficiaries to this war are the Russians?

[GoCubsGo]

The real fear.

BTW, he's unhinged.

[O Really]

Attribute that statement to any other country leader and the only ones it fits would be places like North Korea and people in ISIS, etc.

[GoCubsGo]

Attribute that statement to any other country leader and the only ones it fits would be places like North Korea and people in ISIS, etc.

And none of them are unhinged.

[GoCubsGo]

It begins.

[Vrede too]

BTW,

Does anyone find it odd that the only clear beneficiaries to this war are the Russians?

The merchants of death are making out like bandits, as usual.

[GoCubsGo]

BTW,

Does anyone find it odd that the only clear beneficiaries to this war are the Russians?

The merchants of death are making out like bandits, as usual.

Yeah, that too.

[GoCubsGo]

Stable Commander in Chief genius alert.

Who wouldn't think they'd close it?

[GoCubsGo]

[Vrede too]

https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2032599334290624522

Perhaps a bad idea to park the air tankers tightly like that?

This is the most incompetent, incoherent war America has fought in the last 100 years. And that’s saying a lot. This administration has no idea what they are doing. There is no viable war plan. They change their goals and their aims every single day.

I have great sympathy for our soldiers and our military leaders. They are being given directions by a senile old man who is losing his mind. And so, it’s no surprise that this war is going horribly.

-- Sen. Chris Murphy (D-CT)

Murphy currently serves on the following committees:

United States Senate Committee on Appropriations
Committee on Foreign Relations
Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions