Liars and Hypocrites

[Roland Deschain]

It is going to be very interesting to see how you fools spin the now proven lies coming from the liar in chief about the health care plans being cancelled. Even more interesting will be watching you spin and twist the blatant hypocrisy in that obama has now granted a DELAY in the individual mandate. Lets not forget that less than a month ago him, reid, and the rest of the dims were so blatantly opposed to a delay they shut the government down instead of negotiating. That blinking light is your power dissipation light and it just went into high gear.
http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-oks-l ... itics.html

[indago]

Roland Deschain wrote:

It is going to be very interesting to see how you fools spin the now proven lies coming from the liar in chief about the health care plans being cancelled.

Zeke Emanual has already explained that it was a business decision by the insurance companies.

[Boatrocker]

Roland Deschain wrote:

It is going to be very interesting to see how you fools spin the now proven lies coming from the liar in chief about the health care plans being cancelled.

Zeke Emanual has already explained that it was a business decision by the insurance companies.

The horror stories we are hearing (that small percentage of TRUE ones, that is) cannot be shown to be more than insurance companies taking advantage of yet another opportunity to gouge the fuck out of their captive audience. A major failing of ACA was the lack of oversight and regulation that allows one of the most predatory businesses in America to do shit like this.

[Wneglia]

Roland Deschain wrote:

It is going to be very interesting to see how you fools spin the now proven lies coming from the liar in chief about the health care plans being cancelled.

Zeke Emanual has already explained that it was a business decision by the insurance companies.

The "business decision" was to comply with government regulations, which outlawed previous policies that did not have the "essential benefits" of ACA. Many policies lost their "grandfather" status which would have exempted them, by making changes since 2010 in copays, benefit coverage, etc. Bottom line is that the ACA invalidated most private non employer-provided policies forcing new policies to be written that included the "essential benefits", some of which many people didn't want such as maternity benefits for men. Link

BTW in the liberal state of New York, less than 1/4 of the doctors surveyed by the New York Medical Society have agreed to see Obamacare patients. Link.

In addition to very low reimbursement, providers are put at risk for getting paid at all. Under a provision of ACA, insurers are required to allow a three-month grace period of nonpayment of premiums before discontinuing coverage for enrollees in exchange plans who qualify for the federal premium tax credits. But under final regulations issued in March 2012 by CMS to implement the provision, insurers in health exchanges are required to pay claims arising in the first month only after an enrollee fails to make a required premium payment. The insurers are allowed to “pend” claims during the second and third month, and ultimately deny them, thus giving insurers the power to retroactively terminate coverage for the final two months of the grace period, putting the providers at risk for non-payment for services rendered.

[Roland Deschain]

Funny how all the resident libtards are either attacking the messenger, or only talking about the cancellations. Hard to defend the hypocrisy evidenced by obama's new delay after he stood so staunchly against it.

[bannination]

Roland Deschain wrote:

It is going to be very interesting to see how you fools spin the now proven lies coming from the liar in chief about the health care plans being cancelled.

Zeke Emanual has already explained that it was a business decision by the insurance companies.

The "business decision" was to comply with government regulations, which outlawed previous policies that did not have the "essential benefits" of ACA. Many policies lost their "grandfather" status which would have exempted them, by making changes since 2010 in copays, benefit coverage, etc. Bottom line is that the ACA invalidated most private non employer-provided policies forcing new policies to be written that included the "essential benefits", some of which many people didn't want such as maternity benefits for men. Link

BTW in the liberal state of New York, less than 1/4 of the doctors surveyed by the New York Medical Society have agreed to see Obamacare patients. Link.

In addition to very low reimbursement, providers are put at risk for getting paid at all. Under a provision of ACA, insurers are required to allow a three-month grace period of nonpayment of premiums before discontinuing coverage for enrollees in exchange plans who qualify for the federal premium tax credits. But under final regulations issued in March 2012 by CMS to implement the provision, insurers in health exchanges are required to pay claims arising in the first month only after an enrollee fails to make a required premium payment. The insurers are allowed to “pend” claims during the second and third month, and ultimately deny them, thus giving insurers the power to retroactively terminate coverage for the final two months of the grace period, putting the providers at risk for non-payment for services rendered.

FTA:

But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date -- the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example -- the policy would not be grandfathered.

Imagine that.... insurance companies using any excuse to raise rates. Ultimately what matters is that it helps more people that it hurts, that remains to be seen. I've always said universal care, but remember republicans wouldn't let anything but this pass.... wonder why?

[bannination]

Funny how all the resident libtards are either attacking the messenger, or only talking about the cancellations. Hard to defend the hypocrisy evidenced by obama's new delay after he stood so staunchly against it.

Why are you so against insurance company profits? I thought you guys were pro corporation?

[bannination]

Insurers want to strengthen the individual mandate

Insurers may be happy that forced enrollment in the exchanges is being pushed back for a bit. But over the long term, insurers actually want to strengthen the individual mandate, and have been lobbying the White House to that end. They’re concerned that the individual mandate is too weak.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapotheca ... six-weeks/

[rstrong]

You mean..... insurance companies are openly voicing the insurance industry / Republican Party position from before Obama adopted it?

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http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/he ... ing-clause



Republicans picking up on news from 2010 I see.......

[Roland Deschain]

Why not attack the messenger when he habitually lies, ignores rebuttals and eventually runs away? It's not like this messenger is capable of thoughtful and honest debate.

Because it is all you got and you know that you cannot refute the FACTS and those FACTS are becoming more and more apparent everyday. It really must suck to be a libtard arranging deck chairs on the Titanic these days....but it is fun as hell to watch you idiots twist

[bannination]

Yep, they shut down the government to avoid delaying something they were going to delay anyway. Makes perfect sense....... to Roland.

But hey, those are the facts and you can't convince him otherwise even though I was "twisting" it when it was his idea.

[Roland Deschain]

Yep, they shut down the government to avoid delaying something they were going to delay anyway. Makes perfect sense....... to Roland.

But hey, those are the facts and you can't convince him otherwise even though I was "twisting" it when it was his idea.

You poor deranged fucking idiot...There was no PLAN to delay obamacare on the part of the dems. They thought (or hoped) everything was gonna roll out just peachy keen. It has only been AFTER the fact that the roll out has been, and still is, a colossal failure that a dim initiated delay has been put in play. Your effort to to twist the hypocrisy into something positive for your ilk only proves how far up obama's ass you are. Tell us, how does that shit sandwich taste and are you still smiling as you continue to stuff your gaping maws?????

[bannination]

Yep, they shut down the government to avoid delaying something they were going to delay anyway. Makes perfect sense....... to Roland.

But hey, those are the facts and you can't convince him otherwise even though I was "twisting" it when it was his idea.

You poor deranged fucking idiot...There was no PLAN to delay obamacare on the part of the dems. They thought (or hoped) everything was gonna roll out just peachy keen. It has only been AFTER the fact that the roll out has been, and still is, a colossal failure that a dim initiated delay has been put in play. Your effort to to twist the hypocrisy into something positive for your ilk only proves how far up obama's ass you are. Tell us, how does that shit sandwich taste and are you still smiling as you continue to stuff your gaping maws?????

You should get that anger problem checked out.

I don't think there is much positive about the ACA personally, I wanted universal. ACA is and always was the republican solution. I'm hopeful that it's better than nothing, and I've seen it positively help some people already. I have a wait and see approach, not the OMG the sky is falling oh gawd you must eat shiat sandwiches!

No one thought that the ACA would roll out with no problems, at least no one that's sane. Seeing how there's no rush to sign up anyway, I don't think it's hit a failure state yet. Obviously it will be delayed until it's functioning acceptably, that's just good sense for anything.

I believe I even mentioned much earilier in another thread that I hope it fails so spectacularly that it leads to universal coverage.

[rstrong]

There was no PLAN to delay obamacare on the part of the dems.

Nor is there any such plan now. A couple low-level Dems have made noises about delaying the personal mandate deadline, but no one up top has done so.

And even then the implementation of ObamaCare would not be delayed. Not even the personal mandate. Only the personal mandate deadline.

But yes, I can understand how Republicans would be upset to wait an extra month for the personal mandate. They've been calling for it for over 15 years.

the roll out has been, and still is, a colossal failure that a dim initiated delay has been put in play.

The web site has been a failure. Largely because there was TOO MUCH DEMAND. People can still enroll by phone, mail or in person. AKA "The way they've always done it until just a few years ago, if not still."

that a dim initiated delay has been put in play.

Citation? That "a delay has been put in play?"

You poor deranged fucking idiot...

Right back at you.

[Roland Deschain]

There was no PLAN to delay obamacare on the part of the dems.

Nor is there any such plan now. A couple low-level Dems have made noises about delaying the personal mandate deadline, but no one up top has done so.

And even then the implementation of ObamaCare would not be delayed. Not even the personal mandate. Only the personal mandate deadline.

You really are a special kind of stupid aren't you? Extending the deadline is DELAYING the deadline.

the roll out has been, and still is, a colossal failure that a dim initiated delay has been put in play.

The web site has been a failure. Largely because there was TOO MUCH DEMAND. People can still enroll by phone, mail or in person. AKA "The way they've always done it until just a few years ago, if not still."

Try that bullshit somewhre else. "Too much demand"...tell me something numbnuts, does Ebay or Amazon crash or lock up on Cyber Monday or the week before Christmas. What about flowers.com, does it shut down the week before Valentines day? Might as well give that line a rest because it aint gonna fly with anyone with more than one brain cell.

that a dim initiated delay has been put in play.

Citation? That "a delay has been put in play?"
http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-oks-l ... itics.html
That is a DELAY dipshit

You poor deranged fucking idiot...

Right back at you.
I'm the one that has the truth...not the idiots trying to spin a positive out of a failure of epic proportions.

[rstrong]

You really are a special kind of stupid aren't you? Extending the deadline is DELAYING the deadline.

And yet ObamaCare isn't delayed one bit. Those who sign up for ObamaCare - even if they use traditional methods like phone, mail or in person - will not experience any delay.

"Too much demand"...tell me something numbnuts, does Ebay or Amazon crash or lock up on Cyber Monday or the week before Christmas.

Ebay and Amazon were unknown when they launched. They and others still routinely experienced crashes and lock-ups early on and as they grew.

The ACA on the other hand is a brand new service that is also going through the high loads of a Cyber Monday or the week before Christmas, right on day one. Look for similar comparisons - an eagerly awaited service getting high traffic at launch day - and you'll find plenty of similar problems. Everything from game sequels like Grand Theft Auto and SimCity to Kim Dotcom's Mega site.

And of course there's ORCA, the Republican Party's 2012 election day "get out the vote" web site:

"So, the end result was that 30,000+ of the most active and fired-up volunteers were wandering around confused and frustrated when they could have been doing anything else to help. Like driving people to the polls, phone-banking, walking door-to-door, etc. We lost by fairly small margins in Florida, Virginia, Ohio and Colorado. If this had worked could it have closed the gap? I sure hope not for my sanity's sake.

"The bitter irony of this entire endeavor was that a supposedly small government candidate gutted the local structure of GOTV efforts in favor of a centralized, faceless organization in a far off place (in this case, their Boston headquarters). Wrap your head around that."

http://news.yahoo.com/white-house-oks-l ... itics.html
That is a DELAY dipshit

Again, not a delay in the implementation of ObamaCare. Not even a delay in the personal mandate. Only a delay in the deadline.

I'm the one that has the truth...

I suspect you may actually be dumb enough to believe that.

[Wneglia]

"Too much demand"...tell me something numbnuts, does Ebay or Amazon crash or lock up on Cyber Monday or the week before Christmas.

Should have taken Amazon's offer to help

[bannination]

I'm the one that has the truth...not the idiots trying to spin a positive out of a failure of epic proportions.

No one's trying to spin anything that I've seen. We simply don't know how it will turn out yet. No one can predict the future like you.

[bannination]

"Too much demand"...tell me something numbnuts, does Ebay or Amazon crash or lock up on Cyber Monday or the week before Christmas.

Ebay and Amazon were unknown when they launched. They and others still routinely experienced crashes and lock-ups early on and as they grew.

I knew that. Roland Deschain has screwed-up, again. What a numbnuts!

... and if the government had spent the kind of money on redundancy that amazon had he'd be complaining about the cost....so much cost that amazon came up with the idea to sell their excess capacity.

He can't be satisfied.

Places like google, microsoft, etc. have the luxury of slowly rolling out their services and inviting people, that may have been an option for the government to take as well, but, then Roland would have complained about that as well.