The homophobic thread :>

[O Really]

It appears that the U.S. wants to be the world leader in perversion....Perversion on Parade..

It's a long jump from "not natcheral" to "perversion," Mr.B. Maybe you are trying to earn the descriptive terms Vrede tosses at you.

[O Really]

Well the original question was about why "they" hate us. Expecting non- or semi-democratic regimes to take the same attitude as the US (i.e., "ignore them") is indeed imposing our standards on them. My argument isn't whether places like Uganda are evil, or whether US actions are well-intentioned or reasonable. My argument is that those countries reaction is understandable.

[Mr.B]

"Run away from by Mr.B, as usual:"

I had to take a break from posting earlier because my virus protection warned me of an impending assault by a "Heartbleed" virus; something called a rstrong-bannination-verde strain that would corrupt my computer, so I had to put it in a self-clean cycle to rid it of all the grease, grime, spittle, and slobber.
Sorry it took so long; there was a lot of garbage to take out. As Banni said: ewwwwwwww!)

"Your pathetic ilk is reforming or dieing (sic) out and tolerance and equality are winning in every single venue - business, polls, legislatures, among youth overwhelmingly, every recent popular vote, and even now the churches."

Don't be such a whiny brat, I never had any doubts about it; the Bible states what will become of these "great victories". Your "pathetic ilk" may win the major battles, but the final war is still to be fought.

"The whole Adam and Eve thing is complete poppycock, though. We evolved."

Your family lineage may have evolved, mine didn't. Did it hurt when your tails fell off?

[Mr.B]

"Not with so many churches now gay tolerant. Current events much?"

A church is a place to worship, praise God, and learn what sin is, and to shun it. I doubt very seriously God is in any of those places that call themselves "churches".
I said it before....it's about the money. Fortunately, there are still overwhelming numbers of churches that are "bigoted" and view homosexuality for what it is.....abominable sin. Deal with it.

No, I don't "current events" much; it's disheartening to see/hear Satan at work; he's the one winning "in every single venue", like or lump it.

[rstrong]

I had to take a break from posting earlier because my virus protection warned me of an impending assault by a "Heartbleed" virus; something called a rstrong-bannination-verde strain

What you have is the Palin/Santorum virus. An adverse reaction to having own words repeated back to you.

[rstrong]

"Not with so many churches now gay tolerant. Current events much?"

A church is a place to worship, praise God, and learn what sin is, and to shun it. [...] Fortunately, there are still overwhelming numbers of churches that are "bigoted" and view homosexuality for what it is.....abominable sin.

And yet women speaking in Church is an abominable sin according to the very sources you cite regarding homosexuality. And yet you don't shun that abominable sin. As usual you're just cherry-picking verses from the Bible to match your phobias, bigotries and hatreds.

A more accurate conclusion is that an increasing numbers of churches are recognizing your hate for what it is.....abominable sin.

[bannination]

"Run away from by Mr.B, as usual:"

I had to take a break from posting earlier because my virus protection warned me of an impending assault by a "Heartbleed" virus; something called a rstrong-bannination-verde strain that would corrupt my computer, so I had to put it in a self-clean cycle to rid it of all the grease, grime, spittle, and slobber.
Sorry it took so long; there was a lot of garbage to take out. As Banni said: ewwwwwwww!)

Hey... I've been nice.

[indago]

I'm not the one declaring that the Bible is the authority on morality. I can recognize that it has some good advice - as does the holy books from other religions - while recognizing that much of it should be rejected.

You mean, like: WE HAVE EVOLVED: EVOLUTION

"And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it" — Genesis 1 v 28 - The Bible

He wasn't talking about gays!

[indago]

The article is about largely symbolic support for existing human rights activities abroad

Journalist Rachelle Blidner wrote for The Associated Press 26 June 2014:
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'STAR TREK' STAR, US AMBASSADOR TOUT GAY RIGHTS
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So, what is so RIGHT about being gay?

Journalist Tom Lobianco wrote for The Associated Press 27 Jun 2014:
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Indiana law defines marriage as between a man and a woman, and the state has refused to recognize same-sex marriages performed in states where it is legal. ..."In time, Americans will look at marriages of couples such as Plaintiffs, and simply refer to it as a marriage - not a same-sex marriage," he wrote. "These couples, when gender and sexual orientation are taken away, are in all respects like the family down the street."
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GAY MARINE

Just don't seem right somehow...

[bannination]

I'm not the one declaring that the Bible is the authority on morality. I can recognize that it has some good advice - as does the holy books from other religions - while recognizing that much of it should be rejected.

You mean, like: WE HAVE EVOLVED: EVOLUTION

"And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it" — Genesis 1 v 28 - The Bible

He wasn't talking about gays!

Yep, rather he was talking about a SHIT TON OF INBREEDING.

Yuck.

[Mr.B]

"Hey... I've been nice."

".....my virus protection warned me of an impending assault...."

Your little smiley thingy and all that.....

"Yep, rather he was talking about a S*IT TON OF INBREEDING."

So that's what caused/causes homosexuality!! Who'd a thunk it? Thanks for your knowledgable insight, Banni!

"I get it, if there is a God and S/He....."

Idiot. From your postings, you're all knowledgeable about the Bible; yet you can't discern a he from a she? I can see your point in the pic of the marine with a leg-lock around his squeeze; a he/she in camos..... You've attended too many rainbow induced parades.

[Mr.B]

"And yet women speaking in Church is an abominable sin...."

Where did I say that? Where does the Bible say that? Emulate Vrede much?

[rstrong]

"And yet women speaking in Church is an abominable sin...."

Where did I say that? Where does the Bible say that?

One more time:

You've quoted Paul's Letter to the Ephesians and Paul's Letter to the Corinthians, both from the New Testament, as the final say on morality. As your "proof" that homosexuality is a sin and an abomination. Meanwhile, Paul was crystal clear about women speaking in church:

1 Corinthians 14: 34-35 - "Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church."

That's as unambiguous and authoritative a directive as any in either testament regarding gays. There are churches in the US which don't claim to know better than Paul; a Baptist Church in Arizona that bans women from speaking in church was mentioned in the Religion thread.

When this was pointed out, you admitted:

Women are allowed to speak in our church;

As always, you're cherry-picking the rules that match your phobias, prejudices and hatreds, and ignoring the ones you don't like.

Emulate Vrede much?

You mean quoting your own words back to you verbatim and watching you - Palin/Santorum style - deny, run away or call it unfair? Apparently.

[O Really]

That sounds like fun - enjoy!

[Mr.B]

"Paul said that slaves were to be treated "as brothers", whether they were or not, we don't know."

"And you call me ignorant? You honestly believe that slaves were treated "as brothers?".

So what part of "whether they were or not, we don't know" are you not comprehending?

"I'm off to Barcelona for 3 weeks, may or may not visit here much. Adios."

"That sounds like fun - enjoy!"

Barcelona, Venezuela? Same wishes from here. Be safe.

[bannination]

"Paul said that slaves were to be treated "as brothers", whether they were or not, we don't know."

"And you call me ignorant? You honestly believe that slaves were treated "as brothers?".

So what part of "whether they were or not, we don't know" are you not comprehending?

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I'd say we can't comprehend how you don't know. Also, how you think slavery is in any way moral. Owning any human being is absurd, and I would reject any god that approved of it regardless of the consequences. There are also descriptions in the bible on how bad you may beat your slaves... I guess you haven't read that either.

I'm also amazed you didn't know women weren't allowed to speak or have any authority over man. I guess everyone leaves out the parts that no one agrees with anymore.

[Mr.B]

"I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I'd say we can't comprehend how you don't know. Also, how you think slavery is in any way moral. Owning any human being is absurd, and I would reject any god that approved of it regardless of the consequences. There are also descriptions in the bible on how bad you may beat your slaves... I guess you haven't read that either."
I never said I supported or condoned slavery; I too KNOW it's absurd, degrading, and downright vile. I only spoke of what the Apostle Paul wrote; I didn't say his words were enforced into law; hence my remark that we don't know how well some masters treated their slaves; or how bad for that matter. I'm amazed that you and rstrong; intelligent as you two are, can't see through your hatred of God to comprehend simple statements. I try to keep my comments simple; not using $3 words, and you still can't understand...gimme a break!

"I'm also amazed you didn't know women weren't allowed to speak or have any authority over man. I guess everyone leaves out the parts that no one agrees with anymore."
"Speaking", as Paul wrote, is preaching. Churches that view the Bible as God's Word do not allow women to preach. Inasmuch as God ordained and blessed the union of a man and woman as husband and wife, the man is to have authority over his household and the church. Women are allowed to speak, i.e. teach in church, just as the wife is allowed to speak and make decisions at home. You and rstrong are so caught up in your hatred of God that you'll use the most miniscule of idiocies to refute Biblical scripture, twisting them around to suit your twisted way of thinking.Get a life...you're gonna need it.

[O Really]

I don't see the "twisting" Mr.B. The Bible says what it says. When they quote, you say "but that's not what it means." Wouldn't it make more sense to simply acknowledge that customs and culture wasn't the same a couple of thousand or so years ago and that much of the Bible really isn't applicable except in principle? Even if you don't work at Wal-Mart, couldn't "slave" be updated to "employee"?

[rstrong]

Women are allowed to speak, i.e. teach in church, just as the wife is allowed to speak and make decisions at home.

Not according to your designated authority on morality. One more time:

1 Corinthians 14: 34-35 - "Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church."

You're just cherry picking verses from the Bible to match your personal phobias, bigotries and hatreds, and ignoring the verses you don't like.

You and rstrong are so caught up in your hatred of God that you'll use the most miniscule of idiocies to refute Biblical scripture, twisting them around to suit your twisted way of thinking.

You are refuting Biblical scripture where you find it inconvenient, and quoting it where if backs your hatreds. Your selection is merely different from mine.

I'm not twisting Biblical scripture in the slightest. Paul's ban on women speaking in church - which I've quoted here repeatedly to let it speak for itself - is as unambiguous and authoritative a directive as any in either testament regarding gays. There are churches in the US which follow that ban.

I never said I supported or condoned slavery; I too KNOW it's absurd, degrading, and downright vile.

Or to be more accurate you condoned it, justified it with your claim that slave owners treated slaves "like brothers", doubled down on the claim at least twice, and now you're finally back-peddling

I'm amazed that you and rstrong; intelligent as you two are, can't see through your hatred of God to comprehend simple statements. I try to keep my comments simple; not using $3 words, and you still can't understand...gimme a break!

I'm amazed that you; intelligent as you are, can't see through your hatred of fellow humans to comprehend simple statements. I try to keep my comments simple; not using $3 words, and you still can't understand...gimme a break!

[bannination]

I don't see the "twisting" Mr.B. The Bible says what it says. When they quote, you say "but that's not what it means." Wouldn't it make more sense to simply acknowledge that customs and culture wasn't the same a couple of thousand or so years ago and that much of the Bible really isn't applicable except in principle? Even if you don't work at Wal-Mart, couldn't "slave" be updated to "employee"?

Hehe, "The beatings will continue until morale improves."