Executions R not us

[Mr.B]

Ummm, I haven't left because I haven't been outed because I'm cautious with brats like you, dummy.

You are gay-sex obsessed - post after post about what gays do in the bedroom for month after month - and just a few of your false witness attacks are listed on this page. Your denials and running away are adorable. In contrast, you can't find any instances where I post about gay-sex or lie about you.

[Mr.B]

"Mr.B, you fail again. All I said was that you can't find any instances where I post about gay-sex or lie about you."

"...Again, the bankruptcy of your position is proven by your utter inability to stick to arguments I've actually made. You've been executing straw men left and right here, and running away when I point it out - "Back-pedal much?", "everyone convicted is innocent and their conviction was a farce", "everyone who serves on a jury are liars…you think an honest jury is non-existent", "murderers should be given the 'kid glove' treatment", "you only have compassion for the murdering animal"..."

No Vrede, you fail. I did not say that you said any of those things directly, For instance: "Your opposition to the death penalty is in a way that makes it appear that everyone convicted is innocent and their conviction was a farce....". Also my other remarks were similar in that I said they were products of your ideology, not actual words you said. You are too thin-skinned inasmuch as you take everything personally and consider them a direct attack on you. Obviously, it's OK for you to say things against me and others who differ in their opinions, but it's not OK to reciprocate in kind.

Anyway, I said to myself I wasn't going to do this, but it appears the only way to end this war of words and venom is to apologize and move on. I'm sorry.

As I said earlier, I'm better than that and I don't want animosity from anyone, seen or unseen.

That's my stance, and I'm sticking to it.

[Mr.B]

I've apologized; I ain't going to kiss your butt.

[Mr.B]

"An apology accompanied by the repeat of a lie is no apology at all."

Oh well.

[Mr.B]

"If Mr.B had his bloodthirsty way innocents Henry Lee McCollum and Leon Brown would be dead at the hands of NC taxpayers."

Yeah, tough luck....and I stood before the senate, the house, and that dang judge for hours making my demands to execute them.......and you call me dumb.

[bannination]

Does "If" have too many syllables or letters for you? You are as much a citizen as anyone and are thus as responsible as any other bloodthirsty citizen. Don't run away from it.

...I still say a firing squad is...quicker...Git 'r done.

...A savage dog (or any other animal) that attacks people is put down right away; no protest, no pickets......

A cold-blooded killer is no better than a savage animal.

If all death penalty convictions imposed on those in the aforementioned cases were carried out swiftly...

Thank you, that's exactly what I said about you:

Mr.B wishes that innocent Kenneth Ireland had been killed by Big Brother long ago.

If Mr.B had his bloodthirsty way innocents Henry Lee McCollum and Leon Brown would also be dead, at the hands of NC taxpayers. He's a "savage animal" cheerleading for the really "cold-blooded" killing of nonkillers by the state. It's "dumb" to try to wash your hands of it, Mr.P Pilate.

Yep, another one of those dodges.

"If I don't confront what was actually going to happen, I don't have to change my view!"

[Mr.B]

Does "If" have too many syllables or letters for you? You are as much a citizen as anyone and are thus as responsible as any other bloodthirsty citizen. Don't run away from it.

...I still say a firing squad is...quicker...Git 'r done.

...A savage dog (or any other animal) that attacks people is put down right away; no protest, no pickets......

A cold-blooded killer is no better than a savage animal.

If all death penalty convictions imposed on those in the aforementioned cases were carried out swiftly...

Thank you, that's exactly what I said about you:

Mr.B wishes that innocent Kenneth Ireland had been killed by Big Brother long ago.

If Mr.B had his bloodthirsty way innocents Henry Lee McCollum and Leon Brown would also be dead, at the hands of NC taxpayers. He's a "savage animal" cheerleading for the really "cold-blooded" killing of nonkillers by the state. It's "dumb" to try to wash your hands of it, Mr.P Pilate.

Uhhh...hey Dingleberry.....yes, those are my quotes, but they don't refer to "innocents Henry Lee McCollum and Leon Brown"....your twisting is pathetic.

[Mr.B]

"Yep, another one of those dodges."

Uhhh....Dingleberry, Jr. can't comprehend either. :-0?>

[bannination]

"Yep, another one of those dodges."

Uhhh....Dingleberry, Jr. can't comprehend either. :-0?>

Let me get this straight, you're pro death penalty, but only when it's quick and they're definitely guilty?

What a novel thought.

[Mr.B]

" Does "If" have too many syllables or letters for you?"

No.....I know that "if" a bullfrog had wings, he wouldn't bust his ass every time he hopped.

[Mr.B]

"You would have had innocents ........ "put down right away...swiftly".
And, in most cases, their innocence would never have eventually been proven if you'd had your bloodthirsty way."

Like I said, that trip to Raleigh was a pain; I couldn't tell a convincing enough lie.....

Which of those in the scenarios I cited, re my quotes, were "innocents", O' All Knowing Noble Judge of All?

[O Really]

For a variety of reasons, I have long opposed capital punishment as currently practiced in the US. Those reasons, however, do not include concern that the convicted ones might not be guilty. Certainly some innocents are convicted. And it makes a nice story when some get their innocence proven and are released. But capital punishment is inherently a result of a violent and blood-thirsty civilization. Mistakes happen. Railroading is conducted. If - IF - you're going to kill them at all, kill them fairly quickly. And without a lot of pomp and circumstance.

[neoplacebo]

For a variety of reasons, I have long opposed capital punishment as currently practiced in the US. Those reasons, however, do not include concern that the convicted ones might not be guilty. Certainly some innocents are convicted. And it makes a nice story when some get their innocence proven and are released. But capital punishment is inherently a result of a violent and blood-thirsty civilization. Mistakes happen. Railroading is conducted. If - IF - you're going to kill them at all, kill them fairly quickly. And without a lot of pomp and circumstance.

I'm opposed to it as well. In fact, it seems to me that the "death penalty" sort of lasts decades, which to my way of thinking is cruel and unusual in itself. Travesties of justice are another matter, whether it's the death penalty or six months in jail. Both are unacceptable if innocence is involved. How to fix this? Money. Guilty is cheap; innocent is expensive. And you can just forget about that "innocent until proven guilty" shit.

[Mr.B]

"Your quotes referred to anyone convicted of being "a savage animal", "those who are found without a doubt to be guilty, by either their own admission or overwhelming evidence."

I was joking.

[O Really]

What is the big deal if occasionally somebody who didn't actually commit the crime gets convicted, and sometimes gets killed for it? Life is already cheap in a society that kills its own citizens, either in a formal "execution" or by looking the other way when it's police shoots down unarmed citizens guilty of walking in the wrong place in the street, or that passes laws to make it easier to claim "I wuz skeered" after killing ones own child "accidentally," or that sends other citizens to risk (and often lose) their lives fighting for lost or misrepresented causes. The occasional "opps" in the death chamber is pretty minor in the overall scheme of things. Unless, of course, you're the one who was "opped."

[O Really]

It's a big deal to execute an innocent and different from your other examples because it's intricately planned, deliberate, counter-productive, unnecessary and we are all complicit in it. That's as cold-blooded as it gets.

Cold-blooded fershure. But I disagree that "we are all complicit in it." For example, I've voted against capital punishment every time it's been on the ballot, which is, ummm zero times. I've voted for candidates who oppose capital punishment whenever a position is taken, which is, ummmm hardly ever. Candidates for office don't make state-sanctioned killing of its citizens an issue because there isn't enough interest in changing. And because outside of Texas, not many people get killed anyway and by any count, most of those are guilty of heinousness. But I don't think I'm complicit in something government officials do just because I have no means of stopping it, and neither are you who actively opposes. We do live in a violent society, nevertheless, where life keeps getting cheaper.

[bannination]

Stupid idea maybe... but couldn't we let the (non-mental issue) convicts decide on the issue? Give them an option of life imprisonment or the death penalty?

I dunno... I guess innocents would be even more likely to pick death as a way out. Then again, maybe that's a good thing? A life of punishment -- or 30 years, knowing you're innocent is perhaps worth suicide?

Poorly thought out coffee break idea.

[O Really]

Stupid idea maybe... but couldn't we let the (non-mental issue) convicts decide on the issue? Give them an option of life imprisonment or the death penalty?

I dunno... I guess innocents would be even more likely to pick death as a way out. Then again, maybe that's a good thing? A life of punishment -- or 30 years, knowing you're innocent is perhaps worth suicide?

Poorly thought out coffee break idea.

I think it's a good idea. Except I wouldn't kill them. Just give them the buh-bye cocktail they use in WA. I think I'd take it, guilty or not.

[O Really]

It makes sense in some ways but I don't think it will fly because the families of victims and others will object to giving killers a choice about anything. I'm inclined to agree.

So we're back to punishment for revenge again, eh?

[Mr.B]

"If Mr.B had his way......"

Yeah, right. Like I said.... IF a bullfrog had wings, he wouldn't bust his ass every time he hopped. You're so pathetic in your accusatory, whiny assumptions.