Executions R not us

[O Really]

It makes sense in some ways but I don't think it will fly because the families of victims and others will object to giving killers a choice about anything. I'm inclined to agree.

So we're back to punishment for revenge again, eh?

I'm not sure where you got that. We're talking about killers that will get punished - life without parole or death - and the reason for punishing them isn't the issue. I'm just saying that I lean against them having the luxury of selecting the punishment, and that I'm pretty sure that others would vehemently and successfully oppose it. I guess you could stretch that into calling the denial of choice "revenge", but it's kinda piddling revenge compared to life without parole or death.

I got it from your considering the "families of victims and others". Sure, they might object, but who cares? We aren't punishing the perp for them; we're punishing him/her (almost always him) for an affront against the state or the society. Penalties should be a point of law, not victim's family preference. If a choice of drinking the Washington cocktail or spending ones life in jail is part of the law, then it's no more unreasonable than a judges choice of sentencing to life without parole or life as 20 years, in accordance with sentencing guidelines. It's no more unreasonable than making a decision on where to lock him up or when or whether to consider parole.

[neoplacebo]

It makes sense in some ways but I don't think it will fly because the families of victims and others will object to giving killers a choice about anything. I'm inclined to agree.

So we're back to punishment for revenge again, eh?

I'm not sure where you got that. We're talking about killers that will get punished - life without parole or death - and the reason for punishing them isn't the issue. I'm just saying that I lean against them having the luxury of selecting the punishment, and that I'm pretty sure that others would vehemently and successfully oppose it. I guess you could stretch that into calling the denial of choice "revenge", but it's kinda piddling revenge compared to life without parole or death.

Well, when you get down to it, prison sentences and the death penalty are revenge; just in a legal cloak. I don't oppose a death penalty inmate being able to choose his method of execution. Gary Gilmore fought to be able to. They shot him after much angst and expense. Unless the prisoner chooses beheading or burning at the stake, I don't have a problem with it.

[Mr.B]

"but couldn't we let the (non-mental issue) convicts decide on the issue? Give them an option of life imprisonment or the death penalty?"

Life imprisonment, in this case, would be the coward's way out; same as someone who goes on a shooting rampage then shoots themselves.

[bannination]

"but couldn't we let the (non-mental issue) convicts decide on the issue? Give them an option of life imprisonment or the death penalty?"

Life imprisonment, in this case, would be the coward's way out; same as someone who goes on a shooting rampage then shoots themselves.

If you say so.

[O Really]

Why "cowardly"? I'll admit I don't understand exactly what a "coward" is, particularly since it seems to be in common use as a generic insult. How does making a choice between killing oneself and accepting 30+ years in prison (followed by, if you survive, no outside future) involve cowardice? If it's a fear issue, why is it more "cowardly" to fear imprisonment more than death, or vice versa? Why do people use "cowardly" to insult somebody who shoots up a theatre and then himself? I certainly don't have the nerve to do that - am I more "cowardly" than them?

[Mr.B]

Re: Executions R not us?

He Murdered His Kids

[Mr.B]

Re: Executions R not us?

He Murdered His Kids

Do I hear screeching tires?

[O Really]

Re: Executions R not us?

He Murdered His Kids

Do I hear screeching tires?

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[Mr.B]

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Comments from the anti-death penalty factions came to a screeching halt when I posted the link......
Some have said that he's mentally-ill; if that's so, someone who would kill 5 innocent children has no place in society.

[O Really]

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Comments from the anti-death penalty factions came to a screeching halt when I posted the link......
Some have said that he's mentally-ill; if that's so, someone who would kill 5 innocent children has no place in society.

So you think that because you linked to a story about a monster who hasn't been convicted yet, nor has been sentenced to anything, that somehow those of us who oppose state-sanctioned killing of its citizens will change our minds? "No place in society" doesn't necessarily mean kill him.

[Mr.B]

"So you think that because you linked to a story about a monster who hasn't been convicted yet, nor has been sentenced to anything, that somehow those of us who oppose state-sanctioned killing of its citizens will change our minds?"
Of course not. My point was that since I posted the link, comments from the bleeding hearts grew silent.

Change your minds? That's a laugh! You had rather this man, (who has confessed, but not "found guilty or sentenced to anything"), languish in the prison system supported by mine and your tax dollars. Free food, clothing, medical care, etc. There's even an active sex life to consider. All the amenities of home.

"No place in society" doesn't necessarily mean kill him."
You have a valid point there. He should be given the opportunity to be rehabilitated (brainwashed) and be re-introduced into society as a hard-working, tax-paying citizen, be given the opportunity to re-marry and raise a family, so he can reflect on what went wrong in his first marriage....yep, that's the ticket.

[O Really]

"So you think that because you linked to a story about a monster who hasn't been convicted yet, nor has been sentenced to anything, that somehow those of us who oppose state-sanctioned killing of its citizens will change our minds?"
Of course not. My point was that since I posted the link, comments from the bleeding hearts grew silent.

Change your minds? That's a laugh! You had rather this man, (who has confessed, but not "found guilty or sentenced to anything"), languish in the prison system supported by mine and your tax dollars. Free food, clothing, medical care, etc. There's even an active sex life to consider. All the amenities of home.

"No place in society" doesn't necessarily mean kill him."
You have a valid point there. He should be given the opportunity to be rehabilitated (brainwashed) and be re-introduced into society as a hard-working, tax-paying citizen, be given the opportunity to re-marry and raise a family, so he can reflect on what went wrong in his first marriage....yep, that's the ticket.

You sarcasm is noted. But you're peeing on the wrong tree. First, data is extensive that it's more expensive to kill a convict than to keep him imprisoned for (real) life. I doubt the "free food, clothing, etc." is something you'd really find desirable, and the prisons that violent criminals inhabit are hardly somewhere to "languish." As to being "rehabiliated" and turned loose...

But in case you missed it, I was one of the ones who would go along with offering him the hemlock and be done with him.

[Mr.B]

"Lie again.......dishonest.......irrelevant is all.....so needy........monster........bloodthirsty......Stupid.....dishonest "

It worked! I knew my post would get your shorts all outta torque and you'd come in like a raging hurricane...just couldn't stand it, could you?
Sucker!

[Mr.B]

".....I was one of the ones who would go along with offering him the hemlock and be done with him."

That has been my sentiments all along; you bloodthirsty heathen....Vrede's got your number now!!

[Mr.B]

....and you represent atheistic, liberal, whining crybabies so much better than "mainstream" atheistic, liberal, whining crybabies.

I don't have to ask you to "do it again"; it's in your nature...but.....are you whiny all the time, or just when you're awake?

[Mr.B]

Stupid still......I'm still not a liberal, you're still a screw up."

Why are you so dishonest? So are you whiny all the time, or just when you're awake?

[Mr.B]

"Lie again. No one has expressed sympathy for monsters here."

Except when they're about to be sent to meet their maker.....whoever, in their case that may be. Why are you so dishonest?

[Mr.B]

"Lie, again. What's your malfunction that you're so chronically dishonest? You can't find a single post in this thread where my or anyone else's opposition to state homicide is based on sympathy for killers.

Next up: Mr.B repeating his lie, running away from the challenge, posting some irrelevant quip or whining that I'm being mean to him, anything but being an honest adult."

My "malfunction"?........ Battery running down, maybe?
Some days you step in it, some days you don't.

[O Really]

Here's an interesting article about how hard-core inmates languish around in luxury of provided housing, clothing, and gourmet food.. http://www.theatlantic.com/features/arc ... picks=true

An excerpt, below, for anyone who doesn't want to bother with the entire story...


"In 2005, Don Diva magazine interviewed a former guard at Rikers Island, who described the conditions of prison life in vivid terms. “[In each cell] you have a filthy toilet with no cover, a rusty sink, and a metal frame they call a bed,” he told the magazine. “Inmates use the toilet as a refrigerator in the summer to keep milk cool.” More vivid still was his description of inmate survival tactics:

Inmates are legendary for keeping razors in their mouths. Being able to “spit out a razor” is like a magic trick in jail. You could be in the mess hall, get into an altercation with another inmate, and the next thing you know he’s spit out two razors from both sides of his mouth and your face is slashed up … A nigga will become Houdini when it comes to survival. Spitting razors became such a problem that inmates immediately punched other inmates in the mouth as soon as an argument began. This was so that if the other inmate did have razors in his mouth, he would cut his own mouth up before even getting the opportunity to spit them out."

[Mr.B]

"Maybe you should whip Mrs.B more."

This bantering is between you and me. Leave my wife out of it.

I respect my wife; therefore I do not desire to subject her to depraved kinkiness.