Trump

[rstrong]

BBC:

As sure as "Results Wednesday" follows Super Tuesday, Americans were reacting to the outcome of the voting by searching on Google for how to move to Canada.

On this occasion, a tweet by Google's data editor, Simon Rogers, alerted the world to renewed interest.

[Seth Milner]

Damn yo imagine how diff things woulda been had Gore won. They should make a sliders episode about that.

Just think: There would be no global warming/climate change, etc. (yeah, right)

[rstrong]

Damn yo imagine how diff things woulda been had Gore won. They should make a sliders episode about that.

Just think: There would be no global warming/climate change, etc. (yeah, right)

No invasion and decade-long occupation of Iraq, and no ISIS. As a result a nation several trillion dollars less in debt, allowing it to handle the 2008 financial crisis far better. Probably non long-term occupation of Afghanistan.

Competant people in charge of the emergency response as Hurricane Katrina headed for shore, instead of an unqualified political campaign flunky.

A good possibility that all the pre-9/11 intelligence briefings wouldn't have been ignored. (And no, Clinton didn't ignore them or refuse to act on them, despite Republican mythology.)

NSA warrantless surveillance not moving from illegal to unrestricted standard practice.

The US wouldn't be a torture state.

[Seth Milner]

Damn yo imagine how diff things woulda been had Gore won. They should make a sliders episode about that.

Just think: There would be no global warming/climate change, etc. (yeah, right)

No invasion and decade-long occupation of Iraq, and no ISIS. As a result a nation several trillion dollars less in debt, allowing it to handle the 2008 financial crisis far better. Probably non long-term occupation of Afghanistan.

Competant people in charge of the emergency response as Hurricane Katrina headed for shore, instead of an unqualified political campaign flunky.

A good possibility that all the pre-9/11 intelligence briefings wouldn't have been ignored. (And no, Clinton didn't ignore them or refuse to act on them, despite Republican mythology.)

NSA warrantless surveillance not moving from illegal to unrestricted standard practice.

The US wouldn't be a torture state.

Good points, but I doubt all of that would have been in place; however it's nice to dream that a Utopia could have existed; there damn sure isn't going to be any kind of Utopia, or anywhere close to it, if any of the clowns in contention today should succeed the office of POTUS. Look on the bright side, though . . . Look at the mass exodus of chuckleheads that's, in all probability, going to be flooding your homeland if Trump beats Hillary.

[Seth Milner]

The US wouldn't be a torture state.

ISIS is beheading innocent women, children, those opposing their views, and their defectors. Here on this side of the world, we have whiners whining about torturing those thugs to gain information. Here on this side of the world, we have whiners whining about our not receiving as refugees those who believe women are property and are not to have any rights or privileges. One weird-ass society we live in.

[rstrong]

Good points, but I doubt all of that would have been in place; however it's nice to dream that a Utopia could have existed; there damn sure isn't going to be any kind of Utopia, or anywhere close to it,

Seriously? "The Bush II administration was an utter disaster, but since Gore's wouldn't have been a Utopia we can casually dismiss it?"

[Vrede too]

Also, no Shrub tax cuts creating deficits out of surpluses and probably no crashing of the economy. Sounds like Seth Milner voted for Shrub and, as usual, can't admit that "he" screwed up. Otherwise, there would be no reason for his childishly deflecting "Utopia".

[Seth Milner]

Good points, but I doubt all of that would have been in place; however it's nice to dream that a Utopia could have existed; there damn sure isn't going to be any kind of Utopia, or anywhere close to it,

Seriously? "The Bush II administration was an utter disaster, but since Gore's wouldn't have been a Utopia we can casually dismiss it?"

Also, no Shrub tax cuts creating deficits out of surpluses and probably no crashing of the economy. Sounds like Seth Milner voted for Shrub and, as usual, can't admit that "he" screwed up.® Otherwise, there would be no reason for his childishly deflecting® "Utopia".

Damn, start the music, the dancing will commence shortly.

I didn't say that, and besides the Bush Administration, whether I voted for him or not, (I didn't) is history; I don't keep "crying over spilled milk". Since Gore didn't have an administration, what's the point in whining over what could have been? Let's look forward to what we can hope to have; and I don't see much promise in the pickings.

[billy.pilgrim]

The US wouldn't be a torture state.

ISIS is beheading innocent women, children, those opposing their views, and their defectors. Here on this side of the world, we have whiners whining about torturing those thugs to gain information. Here on this side of the world, we have whiners whining about our not receiving as refugees those who believe women are property and are not to have any rights or privileges. One weird-ass society we live in.

ISIS sucks, but what is the difference when we support the Saudi pukes for doing the same thing

Or our support for every other oil infused mulah bulah in the area

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The US wouldn't be a torture state.

ISIS is beheading innocent women, children, those opposing their views, and their defectors.

So you don't think that America should hold itself to a higher standard than ISIS? You don't think that it should be BETTER?

The US wouldn't be a torture state.

Here on this side of the world, we have whiners whining about torturing those thugs to gain information.

Again, you don't think that America should be better than tin-pot dictatorship torture states?

And since you're too clueless to notice: It's not really even the torture of terrorists and thugs that people are "whining" about. It's all the innocent people who were kidnapped and tortured based on mere vague suspicions, many of whom were later released with an "er, never mind." And many are still held well over a decade later, despite being cleared of wrong-doing. And it's the lack of due process. The government has placed itself above the law.

Seriously, you don't think that when America is having people tortured with electrical cables and having their balls sliced open with razor blades - before clearing them wrongdoing - that a bit of whining is justified?

(Don't worry; no-one expects you to have the ethics or honesty to answer that.)

(And yes, America had people tortured with electrical cables and by having their balls sliced open with razor blades. It's not in the uncensored report, but both practices have been confirmed in court by government officials. This was done to people who were later cleared of wrongdoing.)

not receiving as refugees those who believe women are property and are not to have any rights or privileges.

We're not talking about Republican refugees. We're talking about Muslims.

And before you call that a cheap shot, think about it: If you go out into the rural areas in Christian old world countries, eastern Europe and Christian areas of the middle-east, women aren't treated much differently. There too, the treatment is backed by the Christian holy book. Even in North America you only have to go back a century to find that women are chattel, with no voting rights.

Those are VERY rarely the sort of people - Christian OR Muslim - who emigrate to North America. Here in Canada a small group of Muslims called for sharia courts for their own people. They were shouted down - marches even held to protest them - by a much, MUCH larger group of Muslims who had had enough of that crap in the old world and wanted no part of it here.

(The upshot: They pointed out that Jews have private religious-based courts recognized by the Ontario government. Canadians went "Wait.... what?" and those courts were shut down.)

[Seth Milner]

ISIS sucks, but what is the difference when we support the Saudi pukes for doing the same thing.
Or our support for every other oil infused mulah bulah in the area

The Saudis aren't on a campaign to wipe out all traces of anything that doesn't conform to Radical Islam or Sharia Law, ISIS is; regardless of who, what they are, or their age. It's called genocide.

[Vrede too]

The US wouldn't be a torture state.

Here on this side of the world, we have whiners whining about torturing those thugs to gain information.

It's adorable that Seth Milner still believes the myth that useful information is gained from torture and hasn't figured out that the torture revelations did far more harm to US interests than any sketchy intel that was gleaned.

[Vrede too]

... They pointed out that Jews have private religious-based courts recognized by the Ontario government. Canadians went "Wait.... what?" and those courts were shut down.

That's funny, got more info. on it?

[billy.pilgrim]

ISIS sucks, but what is the difference when we support the Saudi pukes for doing the same thing.
Or our support for every other oil infused mulah bulah in the area

The Saudis aren't on a campaign to wipe out all traces of anything that doesn't conform to Radical Islam or Sharia Law, ISIS is; regardless of who, what they are, or their age. It's called genocide.

Pretty much they do.
It was the bush's playing with them that got us 911

[billy.pilgrim]

... They pointed out that Jews have private religious-based courts recognized by the Ontario government. Canadians went "Wait.... what?" and those courts were shut down.

That's funny, got more info. on it?

Plenty of private Jewish courts in new york city

They even have a string around their no go zone

[Seth Milner]

So you don't think that America should hold itself to a higher standard than ISIS? You don't think that it should be BETTER?
Again, you don't think that America should be better than tin-pot dictatorship torture states?
Fight fire with fire. I know of no fight that's been won by turning the other cheek. Jimmy Carter found that out.

And since you're too clueless to notice: It's not really even the torture of terrorists and thugs that people are "whining" about.
It's all the innocent people who were kidnapped and tortured based on mere vague suspicions, many of whom were later released with an "er, never mind." And many are still held well over a decade later, despite being cleared of wrong-doing. And it's the lack of due process. The government has placed itself above the law.
War is hell. ISIS would have beheaded them had the roles been reversed, since you're too clueless to notice.

Seriously, you don't think that when America is having people tortured with electrical cables and having their balls sliced open with razor blades - before clearing them wrongdoing - that a bit of whining is justified?
You got proof of that? . . . or is that just a pacifist whine?

(Don't worry; no-one expects you to have the ethics or honesty to answer that.)
When they were released, did they still have their heads attached to their shoulders?

(And yes, America had people tortured with electrical cables and by having their balls sliced open with razor blades. It's not in the uncensored report, but both practices have been confirmed in court by government officials. This was done to people who were later cleared of wrongdoing.)
(Don't worry; no-one expects you to have the proof that they're had their balls sliced open)

not receiving as refugees those who believe women are property and are not to have any rights or privileges.

We're not talking about Republican refugees. We're talking about Muslims.
I wasn't talking about republicans either, or democrats, or Canadian half-wits.

And before you call that a cheap shot, think about it: If you go out into the rural areas in the Christian old world, and women aren't treated much differently. There too, the treatment is backed by the Christian holy book. Even in North America you only have to go back a century to fins that women are chattel, with no voting rights.
So? who gives a damn about ancient history? I don't, nor do I dwell on anything that happened in the past. Get yourself over it.

Those are VERY rarely the sort of people - Christian OR Muslim - who emigrate to North America. Here in Canada a small group of Muslims called for sharia courts for their own people. They were shouted down - marches even held to protest them - by a much, MUCH larger group of Muslims who had had enough of that crap in the old world and wanted no part of it here.
Good for them. Good for you. Now what? Am I supposed to play some sort of national anthem or something while I read the rest of your ranting drivel?

(The upshot: They pointed out that Jews have private religious-based courts recognized by the Ontario government. Canadians went "Wait.... what?" and those courts were shut down.)

[Seth Milner]

The US wouldn't be a torture state.

Here on this side of the world, we have whiners whining about torturing those thugs to gain information.

It's adorable that Seth Milner still believes the myth that useful information is gained from torture and hasn't figured out that the torture revelations did far more harm to US interests than any sketchy intel that was gleaned.

The torture revelations didn't bother me in the least; still don't. The US isn't the first to employ torture, and I'm willing to wager other so-called civilized countries still use torture. I hear a lot about Central American prisons for example, but I don't see the flimsy panty crowd raising hell over that.

Any way . . .
It's adorable though that Vrede too has such a crush on me that "he" follows me around so with nothing really to say. (yuck)

[rstrong]

... They pointed out that Jews have private religious-based courts recognized by the Ontario government. Canadians went "Wait.... what?" and those courts were shut down.

That's funny, got more info. on it?

Here's a good overview from five years later:

Toronto Star: One law for all Ontarians

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So you don't think that America should hold itself to a higher standard than ISIS? You don't think that it should be BETTER?
[...]
Again, you don't think that America should be better than tin-pot dictatorship torture states?
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Seriously, you don't think that when America is having people tortured with electrical cables and having their balls sliced open with razor blades - before clearing them wrongdoing - that a bit of whining is justified?

Fight fire with fire. I know of no fight that's been won by turning the other cheek.
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War is hell.
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just a pacifist whine?
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When they were released, did they still have their heads attached to their shoulders?

Well. That answers THAT.

[Seth Milner]

Well. That answers THAT.

<yawn> next whine.