Is Hilary done?

[Vrede too]

The polls are what they are. I don't argue over results of any particular one. No matter what, very few who supported or leaned toward Hillary are going to actually vote for Trump. Maybe stay home, which doesn't help, but not vote for Trump.

My chief concern is for what the undecideds that vote will do, but so far the polling and predictions are that Hillary needn't worry.

[O Really]

The polls are what they are. I don't argue over results of any particular one. No matter what, very few who supported or leaned toward Hillary are going to actually vote for Trump. Maybe stay home, which doesn't help, but not vote for Trump.

My chief concern is for what the undecideds that vote will do, but so far the polling and predictions are that Hillary needn't worry.

Anybody who is "undecided" at this point should have their voter card revoked, maybe their citizenship. Even if the undecided part is over whether or not to vote for anybody. What else do they need to know, or hope to find out?

[Vrede too]

Not that I'm one of them, but given that we have the 2 candidates with the highest unfavorables in decades or longer, I can see how some are struggling with which one to hold their nose and vote for. Not everyone pays as much attention to the circus as we do.

For Congress, at least, we should hope that Trump keeps pissing people off enough that they stay motivated to vote. I don't see Hillary getting a personality transplant and low turnouts, even if she wins regardless of turnout, tend to hurt Dems.

[O Really]

Yeah, the psychology of choices says that the "repel-repel" decision is the most difficult. Much more than the "attract-attract." But Hillary's unfavorables are on personality, trustworthiness, and honesty factors, and Trumps are on assholiness and craziness. If I'm on the fence, I'm going to think maybe Hillary is "crooked" but it's hard to find a politician that isn't. Trump is saying things that to everyone outside his redneck base are truly crazy.

[rstrong]

But Hillary's unfavorables are on personality, trustworthiness, and honesty factors, and Trumps are on assholiness and craziness. If I'm on the fence, I'm going to think maybe Hillary is "crooked" but it's hard to find a politician that isn't.

Yup. For all the doubts about her personality, trustworthiness, and honesty, she's still far ahead of ANYONE in the 2016 or 2012 Republican clown cars. And at worst a tie with anyone in 2008.

[Vrede too]

I'm not sure that 2012 Mitten wouldn't have beaten 2016 Hillary. I don't think that any Republican would have won in 2008.

[rstrong]

I'm not sure that 2012 Mitten wouldn't have beaten 2016 Hillary. I don't think that any Republican would have won in 2008.

He might win in an election, but I wouldn't put him ahead on the personality, trustworthiness, and honesty front.

Hillary doesn't have anything in her past to match Mitt's "When Mitt Romney Came to Town" corporate raider past. Her lies aren't as delusional as Mitt's "47% pay no taxes" wingnuttery. I haven't heard of her having bank accounts in the Cayman Islands and other tax havens like Mitt.

I haven't heard of her doing anything like having a car elevator installed in her summer beach house like Mitt did in the middle of his 2012 election campaign.

[Vrede too]

Agreed, whether he might have won vs. her was my only suggestion.

[O Really]

"Generic Republican" including possibly Mittens, would have a chance against Hillary, and might win. But don't forget, no matter who the Dem is or who the POS, err, Republican, is the Republican starts out behind in electorals. He'd still have to win something Mitt didn't, or turn something Obama won.

[Vrede too]

Fwiw, I never meant now. 2016 Hillary would crush 2016 Mitten, he's a loooozer. I don't think the GOP has a chance whatever they do. It's either Trump chaos or non-Trump chaos for them.

I'm not sure that 2012 Mitten wouldn't have beaten 2016 Hillary. I don't think that any Republican would have won in 2008.

[billy.pilgrim]

Yeah, the psychology of choices says that the "repel-repel" decision is the most difficult. Much more than the "attract-attract." But Hillary's unfavorables are on personality, trustworthiness, and honesty factors, and Trumps are on assholiness and craziness. If I'm on the fence, I'm going to think maybe Hillary is "crooked" but it's hard to find a politician that isn't. Trump is saying things that to everyone outside his redneck base are truly crazy.

Wouldn't you have to place part, or maybe most of the reason for her negatives to be due to the neverending bs Benghazi hearings

[Vrede too]

Part, but that would be old news exclusively screeched by ODS cons if it weren't for the emails and her lies about them and the Foundation shenanigans. Then, just being Hillary, I doubt many Bernie voters cared about Benghazi.

[O Really]

Benghazi, Schemghazi, Trumpernazi, most of her negatives are 25 years of constant Republican bashing, and nothing she has actually done is worse than you can find in most anybody else's closet who's been in high government positions for over quarter century. Some screw-ups, and faux pas, some truths edged, some legal lines skirted. BFD. Let's let him/her without sin toss the first stone (BTW, that would NOT be you, Republicans!)

[Vrede too]

Part of it is residual hatred for Bill, too. He shamed the GOP in many ways.

[O Really]

That, and really she doesn't have the best personality to be a "popular female." She can be abrupt, abrasive, impatient, demanding, and assertive. All traits tolerated in males, but not so much females. Sometimes the difference in "tough negotiator" and "high maintenance bitch" is nothing but gender.

[Vrede too]

I'm not sure I'd like her any better as a man, maybe less.

[Vrede too]

State Department Declares FBI Director Was WRONG About Clinton’s Emails, They Were NOT Marked

... But according to the State Department, since Comey’s announcement on Tuesday the public has learned that in fact only 2 of the 55,000 email were marked as classified, and better yet, the two that were deemed classified were actually marked that way by accident....

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... Yet, we never hear Republicans bringing up the 22 million emails that were deleted after the public discovered that eight U.S. Attorneys were fired by the Bush Administration in 2007. Years later it was discovered the emails that “could not be produced,” according to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, were actually sent on a private domain server run by the Republican National Committee.

[bannination]

Benghazi, Schemghazi, Trumpernazi, most of her negatives are 25 years of constant Republican bashing, and nothing she has actually done is worse than you can find in most anybody else's closet who's been in high government positions for over quarter century. Some screw-ups, and faux pas, some truths edged, some legal lines skirted. BFD. Let's let him/her without sin toss the first stone (BTW, that would NOT be you, Republicans!)

I agree, at the same time it's sad that she our only choice. We've been groomed to accept crap.

[O Really]

Benghazi, Schemghazi, Trumpernazi, most of her negatives are 25 years of constant Republican bashing, and nothing she has actually done is worse than you can find in most anybody else's closet who's been in high government positions for over quarter century. Some screw-ups, and faux pas, some truths edged, some legal lines skirted. BFD. Let's let him/her without sin toss the first stone (BTW, that would NOT be you, Republicans!)

I agree, at the same time it's sad that she our only choice. We've been groomed to accept crap.

No, we treat candidates like crap, so that's what we get.

[O Really]

And we treat them like crap when they're in office. And we give no respect to the office itself. It's not a mystery why the best never run.