The Religion Thread

[Vrede too]

http://www.blueridgedebate.com/viewtopi ... ate#p67725

Mr.B commits Commandment-level sinful false witness, again. The only twisted, debauched, pervert that's obsessed with the sex lives of others is Mr.B. The rest of us merely post about tolerance and equal legal and institutional rights.

... hatred for God ...

Mr.B commits blasphemy, again. We can't hate what we know doesn't exist, and it's sinful to falsely exploit God in order to try and fail at scoring points on a web forum. Repent!

Deny His existence in one breath and acknowledge His existence in the next breath.

I merely acknowledge that you believe in God and a bigoted, hateful, cherry picked concept of sin. Please explain to us why your God made you such an idiot and/or too cowardly to address the points made.

[Vrede too]

Bottom line rstrong, your ranting, raving and bigoted hate spiel is nothing new to me or any other Christian who's been, or is being,
vilified for taking a stand against immorality; it's as old and moldy just as it was from the giving of The Law.

Your serial lying is defined as immoral in your Bible far more often and at a higher level (Commandment) than anything you claim is immoral.

Vrede is correct..."tick-tock" -- Immoral living and it's increase has been prophesied and man will continue to fall further into depravity.
Fortunately, my days are numbered and I won't have to live in such a totally confused, depraved world.

There's another lie, you just can't help yourself. None of that is what my "tick-tock" refers to. In fact, here's the origin that has you so distressed:

An Open Letter to the White Right, On the Occasion of Your Recent, Successful Temper Tantrum

Still applies in 2016.

Nothing you say, accuse me of, curse me, my God, or the Bible over, is going to change my opinion, beliefs, or religious convictions.
You're only blowing smoke out of your you-know-what.

Of course not. Your pitiful, sex-obsessed bigotry is immutable and eternal.

One problem with that, by all measures that I'm aware of, it's going the opposite direction as prophesied. I mean I'm not surprised, look at all the other things that have been prophesied and been wrong, or prophesied as if it hadn't happened yet, but already had. Easy to be correct when it already happened.

They just claim that the interpretation of prophesy is wrong. They don't have the stones to even entertain the notion that the prophesy was wrong.

[rstrong]

One problem with that, by all measures that I'm aware of, it's going the opposite direction as prophesied.

Just so. Crime has been dropping for decades. Slavery has almost disappeared. Women can vote. Other races can vote, and even become President. Mr.B-style bigotry based on race, gender, religion etc. is slowly disappearing in favor of civil rights, though the Trump alt-right win is a small setback. Environmental concerns are being recognized.

We're only "falling further into depravity" if you define good ethics and civil rights to be "depravity." Which Mr.B. does.

[Mr.B]

"I merely acknowledge that you believe in God and a bigoted, hateful, cherry picked concept of sin."
It's all there in black and white; it's been there for all the world to see; long before I came along.
The problem is, people such as yourself choose not to believe and highly dislike being told the life they choose to live is contrary to morality.

"Please explain to us why your God made you such an idiot and/or too cowardly to address the points made."
I'd have to say the same reason He made you the same way.
Inasmuch as "the points made" by yourself and your 'dance partner' <snicker> are nothing more than hateful banter, a reply, in my opinion, is unwarranted.

"One problem with that, by all measures that I'm aware of, it's going the opposite direction as prophesied."

"Crime has been dropping for decades."
But somehow prisons are overcrowded, cops are being shot in rising numbers, children are being snatched from under their parents noses, murders in major cities are rising at alarming rates, kids are being taught by their parent(s)to steal, thieving flash mobs are swarming understaffed stores....shall I go on; or would you prefer to crawl back under your rock for a few dozen more years?

"Slavery has almost disappeared. Women can vote. Other races can vote, and even become President."
"Mr.B-style bigotry based on race, gender, religion etc. is slowly disappearing in favor of civil rights, though the Trump alt-right win is a small setback. Environmental concerns are being recognized."
( finger fiddle plays here, the sound of wailing can be softly heard in the background)

"We're only "falling further into depravity" if you define good ethics and civil rights to be "depravity."
"We're" falling? The God-haters such as yourself can call it what you like, immorality is the correct term.

[rstrong]

"Crime has been dropping for decades."

But somehow prisons are overcrowded,

That's the rise of for-profit prisons. They bribe lobby politicians to make the problem worse. The rise in long prison terms for minor offenses isn't tied to a rise in crime rates.

Heck, a couple years ago a judge got caught sending *children* to prison for the most minor of offences, paid to do so by the prison he was sending them to.

cops are being shot in rising numbers,

No, they're not. The number has been dropping for 45 years.

children are being snatched from under their parents noses, murders in major cities are rising at alarming rates, kids are being taught by their parent(s)to steal, thieving flash mobs are swarming understaffed stores..

All this has always happened. But for decades those crime rates have been dropping. Look it up.

or would you prefer to crawl back under your rock for a few dozen more years?

Obviously Republican politicians would like you to crawl back under your bed for a few dozen more years. As the saying goes, "Fear is the greatest salesman."

"We're only "falling further into depravity" if you define good ethics and civil rights to be "depravity."

The God-haters such as yourself

I'm merely indifferent to religion. I only criticize those who force it on others. I even defend it from time to time, against folks who wipe their ass with the Bible to declare themselves "clean" as you constantly do when you use it to justify your racism, homophobia, misogyny and hate.

[O Really]

A lot of religious people (of many different types) seem to feel threatened not only by those who do in fact attack or criticize them, but also by those who just don't care about their religion. It's a "with us or against us" mindset, with little in between. Say "Merry Christmas" or you're attacking Christianity. Of course, there was a time when stores were full of "Merry Christmas" and got accused of "mocking Christianity" and "commercializing Christmas". Go figure.

[rstrong]

Say "Merry Christmas" or you're attacking Christianity.

There's politics there, of course. Republicans enjoy a sanctimonious hissy fit when a Democrat President sends out "Happy Holiday" cards, but it's OK when a Republican President does the same.

[O Really]

So far, I haven't seen much "war on Christmas" crap this year, but it always makes me wonder what these people want. I always say "Merry Christmas" when it seems appropriate, particularly on or right around December 25. But I fail to see how a "Happy Holidays" bothers anybody, no matter how religious, when you're talking about the time between Thanksgiving and New Years. Do they really consider all that the "Christmas Season" and not the "holiday season"? And that's not even to mention the other religious holidays during or around that time.

[Boatrocker]

So far, I haven't seen much "war on Christmas" crap this year, but it always makes me wonder what these people want. I always say "Merry Christmas" when it seems appropriate, particularly on or right around December 25. But I fail to see how a "Happy Holidays" bothers anybody, no matter how religious, when you're talking about the time between Thanksgiving and New Years. Do they really consider all that the "Christmas Season" and not the "holiday season"? And that's not even to mention the other religious holidays during or around that time.

They consider Xmas their personal property, complete with the authority to determine how it should be observed (willfully oblivious to the fact that it is a "holiday" appropriated from the Pagans).

[Vrede too]

I just go with "Happy White Genocide in the Americas" this week and "Merry Saturnalia" in December.

"Crime has been dropping for decades."

But somehow prisons are overcrowded,

Mr.B fails logic, again. Enhanced prison-industrial complex enforcement doesn't equal increased crime.

That's the rise of for-profit prisons.

And the failed and costly "War on Drugs" prohibition that Mr.B adores and should have learned better about from his daddy.

They bribe lobby politicians to make the problem worse. The rise in long prison terms for minor offenses isn't tied to a rise in crime rates.

Heck, a couple years ago a judge got caught sending *children* to prison for the most minor of offences, paid to do so by the prison he was sending them to.

cops are being shot in rising numbers,

No, they're not. The number has been dropping for 45 years....

I think it may be up this year but one anomalous year does not make a trend. Mr.B lies and/or fails middle school Statistics, again.

children are being snatched from under their parents noses, murders in major cities are rising at alarming rates, kids are being taught by their parent(s)to steal, thieving flash mobs are swarming understaffed stores..

What, no mention of the clear increase in rightwing terrorism and bigoted hate crimes? Figures.

[Mr.B]

"I'm merely indifferent to religion. I only criticize those who force it on others."
I have never tried to force my 'religion' on anyone here. You just don't do that in a forum full of non-believers. I have stated my position, stood by it, have been ridiculed and cursed for it, but I will not bend to the hatred.

"I even defend it from time to time, against folks who wi** their a** with the Bible to declare themselves "clean" as you constantly do when you use it to justify your racism, homophobia, misogyny and hate."
How many points do you think you've earned off this post?
I am not "clean", never proclaimed to be. I have my faults and weaknesses; after all, I'm human and not perfect.

You accuse me of:
(1).. racism...explain my racism.
(2).. homophobia...for the hundredth time; you know.
(3).. misogyny...explain my misogyny.
(4).. hate...explain my hatred.

[Mr.B]

"Vrede is correct..."tick-tock" -- Immoral living and it's increase has been prophesied and man will continue to fall further into depravity."

One problem with that, by all measures that I'm aware of, it's going the opposite direction as prophesied. I mean I'm not surprised, look at all the other things that have been prophesied and been wrong, or prophesied as if it hadn't happened yet, but already had. Easy to be correct when it already happened.

And look at what has been prophesied beforehand and the prophesy was fulfilled.

In relation to the subject of this thread; I give you this "cherry-picked" scripture from Revelation 21:8 :

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone......"

Of course y'all don't believe in God or the Bible, so take it for what it's worth...it's only been there in black and white for a few thousand years.

[Mr.B]

"Crime has been dropping for decades."

"But somehow prisons are overcrowded,"

"Mr.B fails logic, again. Enhanced prison-industrial complex enforcement doesn't equal increased crime."
Vrede fails logic and comprehension; Increased crimes = overcrowded prisons.
"And the failed and costly "War on Drugs" prohibition that Mr.B adores and should have learned better about from his daddy."
I'm rather curious what your angle is in your baiting remarks about my father. If you weren't so wimpy-wussed, you would have read where I stated my Dad was too young to fight in your Nazi-induced fetish.

[Vrede too]

Woman Dies after Pastor Sets Heavy Speaker on Top of Her in Failed Miracle Attempt

South African pastor sprays insecticide on congregants 'to heal them'

[O Really]

Hard to say if those belong in Religion, or in the Darwin thread. Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference.

[rstrong]

Hard to say if those belong in Religion, or in the Darwin thread. Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference.

I'd say Religion, based on the element of blind religious faith in over common sense. In the crush-death case the priest justifying it with Biblical quotes, and in the insecticide case, the priest having received orders directly from God.

Not to mention the follow-up:

...but worse still is Lethebo Rabalango’s reaction to her death. After being confronted about his deranged miracle attempt, he actually accused her of having so little faith that she couldn’t withstand such a simple task.

[Mr.B]

Hard to say if those belong in Religion, or in the Darwin thread. Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference.
You may have hit on a legitimate argument for evolution.

Woman Dies after Pastor Sets Heavy Speaker on Top of Her in Failed Miracle Attempt

"....but worse still is Lethebo Rabalango’s reaction to her death. After being confronted about his deranged miracle attempt, he actually accused her of having so little faith that she couldn't withstand such a simple task."
"...and they shall take up serpents...."

South African pastor sprays insecticide on congregants 'to heal them'
Perhaps the fly infestation was at an all time high...?

[rstrong]

Hard to say if those belong in Religion, or in the Darwin thread. Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference.

I'd say Religion, based on the element of blind religious faith in over common sense. In the crush-death case the priest justifying it with Biblical quotes, and in the insecticide case, the priest having received orders directly from God.

Not to mention the follow-up:

...but worse still is Lethebo Rabalango’s reaction to her death. After being confronted about his deranged miracle attempt, he actually accused her of having so little faith that she couldn’t withstand such a simple task.

Also a "Darwin Award is for "evolution in action." These folks don't accept don't accept evolution.

[O Really]

Interesting to be discussing Darwin. Today is the anniversary of the publication of "Of the Origin of Species" in 1859.
Lot of other interesting - and some sad -things happened on this date
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/tod ... hp#image=1

[Mr.B]

"These folks don't accept don't accept evolution."

I know what know what you mean.