F**king American music

[Vrede too]

You British people went crazy for this African-American lady back in the early 60s. It even looks like you borrowed a thing or two from her

https://youtu.be/g9c6zksxuVo

"African-American lady"?

Dave Brubeck Trio featuring Gerry Mulligan - Blues roots -1968

[billy.pilgrim]

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[billy.pilgrim]

You British people went crazy for this African-American lady back in the early 60s. It even looks like you borrowed a thing or two from her

https://youtu.be/g9c6zksxuVo

"African-American lady"?

Dave Brubeck Trio featuring Gerry Mulligan - Blues roots -1968

I was listening to Mulligan. I saw him and Brubeck at the Atlanta festival in 69, but zero memories. Maybe it was the lsd. Anyway I ran across Sister Rosetta Tharp (new to me), and the actual birth of Rock and Roll.

https://youtu.be/Y9a49oFalZE

https://youtu.be/ii06ABCd9ww

[Vrede too]

You British people went crazy for this African-American lady back in the early 60s. It even looks like you borrowed a thing or two from her

https://youtu.be/g9c6zksxuVo

"African-American lady"?

Dave Brubeck Trio featuring Gerry Mulligan - Blues roots -1968

I was listening to Mulligan. I saw him and Brubeck at the Atlanta festival in 69, but zero memories. Maybe it was the lsd. Anyway I ran across Sister Rosetta Tharp (new to me), and the actual birth of Rock and Roll.

https://youtu.be/Y9a49oFalZE

https://youtu.be/ii06ABCd9ww

Sister Rosetta Tharpe
Didn’t It Rain lyrics

So, it was a flashback that turned Gerry Mulligan into an "African-American lady"?

[O Really]

So a rapper who goes by the name "Young Thug" is on trial for, in effect, being an organized crimester and they're using some of his lyrics against him. One interesting part of the story is that news reports always refer to him as "Young Thug" and not by his legal name. USA Today, for example...

ATLANTA – Rapper Young Thug, accused by prosecutors of co-founding a criminal street gang responsible for violent crimes and using his songs and social media to promote it, is set to go to trial starting Monday.
(the article does give his legal name, Jeffery Lamar Williams, but does not use it otherwise)
His fellow rapper Gunna was also charged.
Young Thug trial is expected to last months, with his involvement in Young Slime Life (YSL) at the center of alleged criminal activity.

So Young Thug and Gunna go to trial for violent crimes. If you were defending them would your first move be to say they can't possibly get an impartial jury?

Lyrics example:

Tryna rob, better have a 100 motherfuckin' plans
I kill a punk ho, she getting found by her dad
Hickory, dickory, motherfuckin' dock
Bitches just look at my motherfuckin' watch
Bitches, they like when I cook up them blocks
Get away with murder like a motherfuckin' cop

Now writing or performing a violent song doesn't make you guilty of violence. But if somebody says (or sings) "I'm gonna kill that muhfucker" and then that muhfucker turns up dead, I'd say the threat (or lyrics) are fair game for the prosecution. Not proof yet, but certainly collaborating evidence.

I suspect some, including maybe ACLU will object on First Amendment grounds, but as I see it if you call yourself "Young Thug" and you act like a young thug, and you write about doing thugish things, there's a good chance you're a thug - even if you're also an entertainer.

[GoCubsGo]

So a rapper who goes by the name "Young Thug" is on trial for, in effect, being an organized crimester and they're using some of his lyrics against him. One interesting part of the story is that news reports always refer to him as "Young Thug" and not by his legal name. USA Today, for example...

Are they new age Republicans?

[Vrede too]

... I suspect some, including maybe ACLU will object on First Amendment grounds,

I think one or more states are considering banning submitting lyrics and other creative product as evidence, or at least raising the threshold for doing so.

but as I see it if you call yourself "Young Thug" and you act like a young thug, and you write about doing thugish things, there's a good chance you're a thug - even if you're also an entertainer.

You just condemned about half of male country music stars . . . not that it's inaccurate to do so (as GoCubsGo sorta implies, I think).

It's funny, the Rat Pack were esteemed for their connections to gangsters. It's different with the attitude towards Hip Hop culture among today's establishment. Of course, Sammy Davis Jr. was Black, but he left any ghetto roots far behind. That said, thug life is also a marketing tool. I'll bet there are OGs that came Straight Outta Beverly Hills.

[O Really]

Well, this is more than just "connections" to crimesters - this is apparently running the mob. But sure, thug life is marketing and rappers usually don't separate their stage life from "real" life - dressing, talking, acting like the "gangstas" they portray in a search for "street cred." But I think the use of lyrics is already pretty limited. Nobody is getting charged for violent lyrics. Nobody is getting convicted just because they wrote or performed violent lyrics. But as evidence, threats and other statement have always been admissible. What difference does it make if the threats or statements were ummm, "sung"? It's not like song writers haven't included their real life in their songs, eh Taylor?

Edit:
F'rinstance,

Judge will allow prosecutors to use Trump's 'stand back and stand by' comment in Proud Boys trial

A federal judge ruled Wednesday that prosecutors can use video of then-President Donald Trump telling the far-right group the Proud Boys to “stand back and stand by” in the trial against several of the group’s leaders charged with seditious conspiracy.

District Judge Timothy Kelly said that the former president’s comments showed “an additional motive to advocate for Mr. Trump (and) engage in the charged conspiracy” to keep Trump in power.

During a presidential debate in 2020, Trump was asked by moderator Chris Wallace if he would condemn white supremacists and militia groups. Democratic candidate Joe Biden interjected and specifically mentioned the Proud Boys.

“Proud Boys – stand back and stand by,” Trump responded. “But I’ll tell you what. I’ll tell you what. Somebody’s got to do something about Antifa and the left because this is not a right-wing problem.”